Vet levels are ridiculous

Rhajin · April 2015

I turned v1 and I'm doing the quests in stonefell and 3/10 quests give 4-8k xp at max and all the rest give 499 xp... How am I supposed to level off of this? This is getting ridiculous, I don't even know if I should continue to play this game. Idk why anyone would want to play this only getting 499 xp per quest..Why is this game so bad with xp? this is the slowest leveling MMO I've ever played. 1million xp to level at v1 and I'm getting 499 xp per quest how does anyone even get to v14 and why would anyone continue to try and level up at 499 xp per quest? This game has been nothing but *** XP since lvl 12 (dungeons only gave me 40 xp per mob kill since I started doing them.) Fix your game zenimax Every single quest at v1 should give atleast 10k XP no matter what. This game is broken at vet level..

Huggernaut · April 2015

Can't say I disagree that xp could be better, lol ... but, maybe try to be a little more polite and don't be afraid of the enter button

shane.roberts25b14_ESO · April 2015

I'm not sure exactly which quests you're doing, but every vet quest I have done has given at least 5k xp, and most give around 15k... maybe a bug?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · April 2015

And ya know that in the past Vet levels were way more xp, like 5-8 million each level at the higher levels (VR10-14), of course we had places we could actually grind and Craglorn gave pretty good xp back then.

Welcome to the New grind..

There are still places you can level a Veteran character pretty fast but we can't tell you here or it will get Nerfed just like the rest of them have been..

UrQuan · April 2015

If you do everything in each zone (which includes killing the mobs you come across as you're questing and exploring), you should go up about 1 vet level per zone. I've got an AD Templar who I've played through the Silver zones up to about 2/3 of the way through Shadowfen, and he's VR5, without grinding. I've got a DC Dragonknight who I've played through the Silver zones up to about 1/2 of the way through Malabal Tor, and he's VR6, without grinding.

Dukegaming · April 2015

Rhajin wrote: »

I turned v1 and I'm doing the quests in stonefell and 3/10 quests give 4-8k xp at max and all the rest give 499 xp... How am I supposed to level off of this? This is getting ridiculous, I don't even know if I should continue to play this game. Idk why anyone would want to play this only getting 499 xp per quest..Why is this game so bad with xp? this is the slowest leveling MMO I've ever played. 1million xp to level at v1 and I'm getting 499 xp per quest how does anyone even get to v14 and why would anyone continue to try and level up at 499 xp per quest? This game has been nothing but *** XP since lvl 12 (dungeons only gave me 40 xp per mob kill since I started doing them.) Fix your game zenimax Every single quest at v1 should give atleast 10k XP no matter what. This game is broken at vet level..

I believe it is meant to be that way, and leveling in ESO is definitely a grind, but it's not as if you're going to make 20 characters and level them to V14, at the least you would only really need 4 for the different classes to get a full experience of the game. From my experience, doing every single quest in every zone, all the solo delves, anchors, and world bosses, should get you around V9-V10 by the time you're finished. The game isn't broken at Vet level, if you find questing and going through zones unsatisfactory, I suggest finding exp grinding groups in Cyrodiil. A MMO that allows you to boost a character to end game in one day, is a terrible MMO.

UrQuan · April 2015

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure exactly which quests you're doing, but every vet quest I have done has given at least 5k xp, and most give around 15k... maybe a bug?

No, a lot of the minor side quests give only about 500 XP in vet zones. All of the quests in the Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold lists give significantly more XP (typically around 15K).

Rhajin · April 2015

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure exactly which quests you're doing, but every vet quest I have done has given at least 5k xp, and most give around 15k... maybe a bug?

I just did a quest chain that lead me to 2 other quests and all 3 of them gave 499 xp and didn't lead me to any other quest.

Dukegaming · April 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

And ya know that in the past Vet levels were way more xp, like 5-8 million each level at the higher levels (VR10-14), of course we had places we could actually grind and Craglorn gave pretty good xp back then.

Welcome to the New grind..

There are still places you can level a Veteran character pretty fast but we can't tell you here or it will get Nerfed just like the rest of them have been..

The places are already known, they've been announced on various streams via Twitch. Zenimax increased exp gains in Cyrodiil delves, for a reason I do not know.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

It's a rough part of the game

This what happens when there is no endgame content

Dukegaming · April 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's a rough part of the game

This what happens when there is no endgame content

Though Zenimax has tried to push out end game content, I would have to agree. It's a similar case with Skyrim, rush through the game and complete everything, and its all over. At least with ESO there are more things you can do, but until more zones like the promised High Hrothgar are released, with specifically "solo" content, I find repeating dungeons and trying to find quest groups for Crag a bit boring.

Ley · April 2015

Zheg · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162881/leveling-through-vet-ranks-and-the-case-with-removing-them
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87140/vet-ranks-are-boring
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157694/vet-exp-nerf-zos-illogic-examined
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150697/vet-levels
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/111031/vet-level-took-my-motivation-out-back-and-beat-it-to-death-with-an-aluminum-baseball-bat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/104898/vet-levels-suck
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163464/vet-level-and-horse-training
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/112108/vet-level-questing-is-soul-destroying-and-dull
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155832/vet-xp-is-broken-now-math-included
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142988/xp-change-for-vet-levels
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/139840/vet-leveling
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163887/v1-v14-climb-is-too-much/p1

I don't think we have enough threads on this topic yet.

Given that ZOS hasn't said anything yet on this in the 5+ weeks people have been bringing it up, one would assume that there aren't enough threads yet. I hoped that after the 5th one or so ZOS would feel obligated/shamed to reply, but alas, they think it's better to just ignore the problem and hope we stay quiet long enough for console to be released and vet levels to finish being removed in the (?) fall.

Dukegaming · April 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Given that ZOS hasn't said anything yet on this in the 5+ weeks people have been bringing it up, one would assume that there aren't enough threads yet. I hoped that after the 5th one or so ZOS would feel obligated/shamed to reply, but alas, they think it's better to just ignore the problem and hope we stay quiet long enough for console to be released and vet levels to finish being removed in the (?) fall.

They could just be ignoring it for the moment because there's more important topics to reply to, if they are going to be removing vet levels eventually, I wouldn't see the point in replying to topics like these. Just let the community do the work for them in the mean time.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

I will say that solo content isn't the answer BUT that doesn't mean solo content isn't a good addition.
The endgame really needs to be co-op and group content with solo aspects.

Basically a mixture so there is a suggestion to play with others but not so much that it's required.
Silver n gold quests should ONLY be for those who want do do those. Nothing else should be attached to those.

Bring on more content tho

Zheg · April 2015

Dukegaming wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Given that ZOS hasn't said anything yet on this in the 5+ weeks people have been bringing it up, one would assume that there aren't enough threads yet. I hoped that after the 5th one or so ZOS would feel obligated/shamed to reply, but alas, they think it's better to just ignore the problem and hope we stay quiet long enough for console to be released and vet levels to finish being removed in the (?) fall.

They could just be ignoring it for the moment because there's more important topics to reply to, if they are going to be removing vet levels eventually, I wouldn't see the point in replying to topics like these. Just let the community do the work for them in the mean time.

The problem is that there are legitimate things wrong with the XP through veteran ranks, those (MANY) threads aren't all only harping on how vet levels are heinous in general. Given the timeframe when they're going to pick back up on implementing the full removal (we're still just guessing at this point because they haven't said anything), it probably wouldn't happen until August at the earliest. If console release is all they're focusing on and that doesn't happen until June, an August timeline might even be overly optimistic.

Pirhana7_ESO · April 2015

Rhajin wrote: »

I turned v1 and I'm doing the quests in stonefell and 3/10 quests give 4-8k xp at max and all the rest give 499 xp... How am I supposed to level off of this? This is getting ridiculous, I don't even know if I should continue to play this game. Idk why anyone would want to play this only getting 499 xp per quest..Why is this game so bad with xp? this is the slowest leveling MMO I've ever played. 1million xp to level at v1 and I'm getting 499 xp per quest how does anyone even get to v14 and why would anyone continue to try and level up at 499 xp per quest? This game has been nothing but *** XP since lvl 12 (dungeons only gave me 40 xp per mob kill since I started doing them.) Fix your game zenimax Every single quest at v1 should give atleast 10k XP no matter what. This game is broken at vet level..

How about you just enjoy the game play and stop looking at your exp gain as the game....

Makkir · April 2015

I just stayed on the main story quest (for the most part) and I blew through V9-V13 in like 2-3 days playing casually.
The main quests are OP in terms of exp.

qsnoopyjr · April 2015

Kinda cool to know leveling at V1 to V14 is really really long.

This game is using the traditional MMO way of leveling up. In EQ and EQ2 it takes a LONG LONG time to level up. I assume WoW is the same way.

The only games that dont take too long to level up are the new innovated type MMO's like GW2. That game promotes everyone being equal everyone max level, everyone can be just like anyone else easily. Like in PvP in GW2, all you do is goto meta builds and copy the build.

This game, traditional MMO type game, have to grind your way, grind to max level, like how many champ points is there? In EQ theres like 7K AA's you have to grind for. GW2 you just play for a month or two and you pretty much got everything you need for your character.

I like the traditional way because I certainly do not like everyone being just as good as me even though I spent years on the game, and someone just starting spent 3 months and pretty much has everything I have (GW2).

The only thing GW2 has for being the odd ball MMO, which is anyone can get max level fast and get all the traits and such fast is that GW2 is player friendly (newplayers), and that its most likely to last longer than other games due to how easy it is to jump right into the game, compared to games like TESO and EQ where after a couple years, you got 95% of the community at end game and 5% community not at end game. GW2 makes it so easy to get to end game, that it doesnt have much for PvE except Living Story which is good, keeps people entertained with new content. But GW2 focus is on #esports, and frankly its just having too much problems perfecting the competitive scene as in leaderboards, actual in game tournaments, keeping PvP'ers entertained.

But ya, back to point, TESO xp system is just like EQ, EQ2, WoW(?). I remember in EQ you gotta basically kill the same mobs over and over and over for like DAYS just to level, the quests didn't really help you level that much either. Although there new daily quests do give pretty good xp, but again its a DAILY quest, which means you only get that good xp once a day. GW2 is so easy to level up, that there daily quests just give you achievements, GW2 is pretty big on achievements.

I'm not sure if TESO has a daily quest, but every other game has them, they work, I havent found the TESO daily quest, but if other games are seeing success with it... Just maybe TESO should do the same!

BTW, I've played for like a month, and I'm only lvl 19. So if V1 to V14 is really really long, idk will see how it is when I finally get to V1. Again, I do like how they make it so not everyone can get to max level easily, because frankly when its too easy, than you just have a bunch of people running around with multiple toons, like in GW2 its not odd to find someone that has 6 different toons at max level and best gear and such. I like the roleplaying, as in playing 1 toon and going through the game seeing other people and familiarizing myself with them. You cant familiarize yourself with other people when you see different toons running about all the time. You might see that 1 player all the time, but since he runs 6 different toons, you arent familiar with him even though you really are, you just dont know he's playing a different toon and all. But again, I like to roleplay in MMO's. I like Open PvP in MMO's. I like team based open PvP as well (EQ failed in PvP when they merged there good servers (team based) into that terrible everyone is out for themselves PvP).

One thing taking a long time to level does well is get people to focus on one toon rather than creating multiple toons, and I like that.

Natjur · April 2015

After patch 2.02 I started a new toon and got them to L49 doing the normal quests
to V5 doing Cadwell Silver (doing the quests, dugns and dolmens, no grinding)
to V10 doing Cadwell Gold (doing the quests, dugns and dolmens, no grinding)

It was not until Craglorn did I have any issues.
I got a mate and we did all the lower and upper quests (including the daily quests, but just did them once) and I leveled from V10 to V11......

OK, I have now I have to grind! But then they changed the exp in Cyrodiil
So I went to Cyrodiil and just doing the daily's there once (all of them up to your daily limit) I went from V11 to V12

I guess going to Cyrodiil is kind of forced as its the best exp in the game at the moment (daily quests and the magic delve there we all know about)

Zheg · April 2015

Makkir wrote: »

I just stayed on the main story quest (for the most part) and I blew through V9-V13 in like 2-3 days playing casually.
The main quests are OP in terms of exp.

If this is true, then the XP rewards are drastically different for alliances/players. My temp has done full zone completion for khenarthi's roost, auridon, grahtwood, greenshade, and is now halfway through malabal tor. I'm talking FULL map completion, with a few nights of pvp thrown in. He's only halfway through V3 - all of that yielded 2.5 levels (more like only 2 given how much pvp this guy did). And yet you get 4 vet levels playing casually just staying on the main quest for 2-3 days? I did all that with the +10% XP bonus for having a sub too.

Again, if that's true, obviously something is horribly off.

Ley · April 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162881/leveling-through-vet-ranks-and-the-case-with-removing-them
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87140/vet-ranks-are-boring
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157694/vet-exp-nerf-zos-illogic-examined
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150697/vet-levels
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/111031/vet-level-took-my-motivation-out-back-and-beat-it-to-death-with-an-aluminum-baseball-bat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/104898/vet-levels-suck
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163464/vet-level-and-horse-training
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/112108/vet-level-questing-is-soul-destroying-and-dull
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155832/vet-xp-is-broken-now-math-included
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142988/xp-change-for-vet-levels
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/139840/vet-leveling
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163887/v1-v14-climb-is-too-much/p1

I don't think we have enough threads on this topic yet.

Given that ZOS hasn't said anything yet on this in the 5+ weeks people have been bringing it up, one would assume that there aren't enough threads yet. I hoped that after the 5th one or so ZOS would feel obligated/shamed to reply, but alas, they think it's better to just ignore the problem and hope we stay quiet long enough for console to be released and vet levels to finish being removed in the (?) fall.

So making 100 threads about this is an acceptable way to "obligate/shame" a reply from zos? I wish they'd keep vet levels, and despite them taking a long time to complete, I'm ok with them, you don't see me making 100 threads about it.

They said they're going to remove vet ranks, once they've worked out the details and finished with console release. I really don't see the point in beating this topic to death and I don't see what else zos could say about it. If they came out and said, "Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it." Would that satisfy you?

Zheg · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

So making 100 threads about this is an acceptable way to "obligate/shame" a reply from zos? I wish they'd keep vet levels, and despite them taking a long time to complete, I'm ok with them, you don't see me making 100 threads about it.

They said they're going to remove vet ranks, once they've worked out the details and finished with console release. I really don't see the point in beating this topic to death and I don't see what else zos could say about it. If they came out and said, "Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it." Would that satisfy you?

"Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it. In the mean time, since this will take many months, we're making it a high priority to fix the XP rewards for things that aren't scaled correctly to give the XP they should be. We are also going to fix dolmens so they give completion XP. If we cannot accomplish this quickly enough, we will be lowering the XP requirement for each veteran rank so it will be in line with what it was for the first 9 months of the game's life." THIS would satisfy me.

bg22 · April 2015

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure exactly which quests you're doing, but every vet quest I have done has given at least 5k xp, and most give around 15k... maybe a bug?

You're seeing the CP gain, not the XP gain. Monitor your next quest turn in via your character's actual xp number.

bg22 · April 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

I just stayed on the main story quest (for the most part) and I blew through V9-V13 in like 2-3 days playing casually.
The main quests are OP in terms of exp.

If this is true, then the XP rewards are drastically different for alliances/players. My temp has done full zone completion for khenarthi's roost, auridon, grahtwood, greenshade, and is now halfway through malabal tor. I'm talking FULL map completion, with a few nights of pvp thrown in. He's only halfway through V3 - all of that yielded 2.5 levels (more like only 2 given how much pvp this guy did). And yet you get 4 vet levels playing casually just staying on the main quest for 2-3 days? I did all that with the +10% XP bonus for having a sub too.

Again, if that's true, obviously something is horribly off.

It's not true... He's just one of those ppl that defends zos no matter how busted the topic truly is.

Ley · April 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

So making 100 threads about this is an acceptable way to "obligate/shame" a reply from zos? I wish they'd keep vet levels, and despite them taking a long time to complete, I'm ok with them, you don't see me making 100 threads about it.

They said they're going to remove vet ranks, once they've worked out the details and finished with console release. I really don't see the point in beating this topic to death and I don't see what else zos could say about it. If they came out and said, "Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it." Would that satisfy you?

"Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it. In the mean time, since this will take many months, we're making it a high priority to fix the XP rewards for things that aren't scaled correctly to give the XP they should be. We are also going to fix dolmens so they give completion XP. If we cannot accomplish this quickly enough, we will be lowering the XP requirement for each veteran rank so it will be in line with what it was for the first 9 months of the game's life." THIS would satisfy me.

How about "Working as intended." ?

Zheg · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

So making 100 threads about this is an acceptable way to "obligate/shame" a reply from zos? I wish they'd keep vet levels, and despite them taking a long time to complete, I'm ok with them, you don't see me making 100 threads about it.

They said they're going to remove vet ranks, once they've worked out the details and finished with console release. I really don't see the point in beating this topic to death and I don't see what else zos could say about it. If they came out and said, "Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it." Would that satisfy you?

"Yes we are aware it is a long and slow process, they will be gone when we get around to it. In the mean time, since this will take many months, we're making it a high priority to fix the XP rewards for things that aren't scaled correctly to give the XP they should be. We are also going to fix dolmens so they give completion XP. If we cannot accomplish this quickly enough, we will be lowering the XP requirement for each veteran rank so it will be in line with what it was for the first 9 months of the game's life." THIS would satisfy me.

How about "Working as intended." ?

5k XP for completing lower craglorn questline, when lower and upper crag are supposed to take you from v10 to v14? If that's working as intended, then the devs need to explain why they're doing this - and the reason better not be because XP pots are being released soon. If this isn't working as intended, then it shouldn't take 5+ weeks to even be acknowledged as being broken.

Rhajin · April 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Rhajin wrote: »

I turned v1 and I'm doing the quests in stonefell and 3/10 quests give 4-8k xp at max and all the rest give 499 xp... How am I supposed to level off of this? This is getting ridiculous, I don't even know if I should continue to play this game. Idk why anyone would want to play this only getting 499 xp per quest..Why is this game so bad with xp? this is the slowest leveling MMO I've ever played. 1million xp to level at v1 and I'm getting 499 xp per quest how does anyone even get to v14 and why would anyone continue to try and level up at 499 xp per quest? This game has been nothing but *** XP since lvl 12 (dungeons only gave me 40 xp per mob kill since I started doing them.) Fix your game zenimax Every single quest at v1 should give atleast 10k XP no matter what. This game is broken at vet level..

How about you just enjoy the game play and stop looking at your exp gain as the game....

Because I can't fully enjoy veteran level pvp till I actually hit V14 I can't do anything as a v1 against a v14 and if you say "yes you can you get scaled stats" you are completely wrong. Unless the v14 I'm fighting is a complete idiot I will not win or even put a scratch on him, it's also really hard to find groups for dungeons cause the dungeon finder seems to be broken. So yes Id like to rush to max level and then do trials,dungeons,PvP and pledges to get gear and Rek people in PvP

tinythinker · April 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

If you do everything in each zone (which includes killing the mobs you come across as you're questing and exploring), you should go up about 1 vet level per zone. I've got an AD Templar who I've played through the Silver zones up to about 2/3 of the way through Shadowfen, and he's VR5, without grinding. I've got a DC Dragonknight who I've played through the Silver zones up to about 1/2 of the way through Malabal Tor, and he's VR6, without grinding.

Makkir wrote: »

I just stayed on the main story quest (for the most part) and I blew through V9-V13 in like 2-3 days playing casually.

Yup. I have two VR14s that were mostly done in the older higher amounts XP per vet rank (well, it used to be VP) and one character around VR12 that was was only level 5 in Feb and was at current rank the third week of March and so used the current system/numbers. That character would be VR14 but my computer has been out for repairs for a few weeks now. I run through all of the quests per zone and ranking up with the present numbers goes at the paces mentioned in the quotes.

Obviously if you are only playing 2-6 hours per week it goes slower than someone like Makkir who dies 4 veteran ranks in a couple of days, so there is the time investment issue, but the amount of zone completion per rank described by UrQuan is accurate in my experience.

On the other side of level 50, that VR12 actually went from level 12 to VR1 playing only on Blackwater Blade for 2 1/2 weeks (cannot recommend enough spending as much time there as possible with a pre-vet character). Leveling often goes slower for newer players, but the more you play the faster it seems to get as you become accustomed to how the quests work, as you become familiar with the combat mechanics and skill lines, as you learn how to maximize the usefulness of your experience gains, etc. At least that has been my own experience over the last 14 months.

dietlime · April 2015

Right now grinding VR XP is faster than questing VR XP, if you know what to do and where to do it, and you're good at it.

dietlime · April 2015

There is no practical or reasonable justification in .5% progress towards a level in any RPG of any kind for a quest that takes 5-10 minutes to do.

The current state of the game necessitates that all the dialogue and scripted acting behavior be skipped/ignored, and it's a travesty because a lot of it is actually very good.