nirnhorned on armor broke the game

Ifthir_ESO · April 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Who does that stuff anyways?

Was more of a response to people earlier in thread saying there isnt enough hard PVE content.

Cody · April 2015

King Bozo wrote: »

Its not breaking the game. Crafters need some type of reward for researching all those traits.

near invincibility to magic should not be one of them.

Ifthir_ESO · April 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

I Ran into Benzyboy's templar yesterday. My overloads were hitting him for 1000 damage through block. He just ignored me and barrel rolled away as I dumped most of my ultimate bar into him.

And how is this different than Blinxey's anti-magic build which predates Nirnhoned? It's identical.

While we are at it, Mr. I want my class to be godlike, here is a pic for you

Thats ~21k damage mitigation in 3 seconds. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous to give this to sorcs, on top of BOL.

Here's another from last night, ~17k in damage mitigation from Hardened + Healing wards

Heres yet another ~20k in damage mitigation in 3 seconds, using healing + hardened

You have the GALL to complain about escapability/difficulty to kill on a stamina user? LOL @ you. You just want Doom2 god mode where you get to stroke your epeen all day.

Tell you what, make a stamina build, kill everyone with it, then complain about it. Right now you are crying about the paper to your rock and you just sound like a total homer.

SoulScream · April 2015

A quick hijack about the B player mentioned above. It was not just magic I shot him with bow when he was on siege and my snipes did 1k each, normal dmg would have been 10k. Def some kind of cheat.

Teargrants · April 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I Ran into Benzyboy's templar yesterday. My overloads were hitting him for 1000 damage through block. He just ignored me and barrel rolled away as I dumped most of my ultimate bar into him.

And how is this different than Blinxey's anti-magic build which predates Nirnhoned? It's identical.

While we are at it, Mr. I want my class to be godlike, here is a pic for you

Thats ~21k damage mitigation in 3 seconds. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous to give this to sorcs, on top of BOL.

Here's another from last night, ~17k in damage mitigation from Hardened + Healing wards

Heres yet another ~20k in damage mitigation in 3 seconds, using healing + hardened

You have the GALL to complain about escapability/difficulty to kill on a stamina user? LOL @ you. You just want Doom2 god mode where you get to stroke your epeen all day.

Tell you what, make a stamina build, kill everyone with it, then complain about it. Right now you are crying about the paper to your rock and you just sound like a total homer.

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Ifthir_ESO · April 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Standing still - NO, sorc was bolting
Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up
Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant
Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal

You failed in every point you made, then made a templar comment. Oh right, you play a sorc. Derp, another homer.

I said it during Psijic Order testing and Ill say it again, stacking shields ruins this game (so do a lot of other things but shield stacking sustain wars are the golf of PvP games IMHO)

Nala_ · April 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Standing still - NO, sorc was bolting
Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up
Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant
Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal

You failed in every point you made, then made a templar comment. Oh right, you play a sorc. Derp, another homer.

I said it during Psijic Order testing and Ill say it again, stacking shields ruins this game (so do a lot of other things but shield stacking sustain wars are the golf of PvP games IMHO)

how is shield stacking any different than spamming cloak or spamming roll dodge or spamming blazing shield and bol?

Nala_ · April 2015

every class can sacrifice their cooldowns to spam a way not to die until theyre out of resources, but they cant do damage while doing it, and when they run out of resources they die. complaining about it just shows that youre salty you couldnt kill someone and makes everyone else think less of you.

Xsorus · April 2015

Nala_ wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Standing still - NO, sorc was bolting
Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up
Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant
Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal

You failed in every point you made, then made a templar comment. Oh right, you play a sorc. Derp, another homer.

I said it during Psijic Order testing and Ill say it again, stacking shields ruins this game (so do a lot of other things but shield stacking sustain wars are the golf of PvP games IMHO)

how is shield stacking any different than spamming cloak or spamming roll dodge or spamming blazing shield and bol?

Multiple things go through dodge, cloak....

Teargrants · April 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Standing still - NO, sorc was bolting
Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up
Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant
Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal

You failed in every point you made, then made a templar comment. Oh right, you play a sorc. Derp, another homer.

I said it during Psijic Order testing and Ill say it again, stacking shields ruins this game (so do a lot of other things but shield stacking sustain wars are the golf of PvP games IMHO)

Reading comprehension is your friend. Let's look at the first pic. 20908 dmg to hardened ward. "Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up", huh? Cuz if he's not recasting it, then he has 63k magicka to have a hardened ward that big. Let's not BS, that sorc had to recast.

"Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant" You understand the difference between hitting a ward with 0 spell mitigation and hitting HP where they can have up to 50% passive spell dmg mitigation? The fact that shields do not get crit is offset by the fact that you hit them for the tool tip value.

"Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal" Where did I say anything about the sorc healing? Saying the sorc took no damage is just obfuscating, he took 20,908 in 3 seconds.

I once more pose the question, how is that different from a templar healing through it? Maybe you'll address it this time instead of stomping your feet.

Cody · April 2015

Nala_ wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

Standing still - NO, sorc was bolting
Spam Casting wards - NO, wards were already up
Damage is unmitigated - NO, wards are 100% crit resistant
Healing - NO, sorc took no damage and didnt need to heal

You failed in every point you made, then made a templar comment. Oh right, you play a sorc. Derp, another homer.

I said it during Psijic Order testing and Ill say it again, stacking shields ruins this game (so do a lot of other things but shield stacking sustain wars are the golf of PvP games IMHO)

how is shield stacking any different than spamming cloak or spamming roll dodge or spamming blazing shield and bol?

well cloak only works 50% of the time, blazing scales based off of health, meaning low health characters have a very weak damage shield, and BOL means two things, both of which are easily counter able.

Cody · April 2015

Nala_ wrote: »

every class can sacrifice their cooldowns to spam a way not to die until theyre out of resources, but they cant do damage while doing it, and when they run out of resources they die. complaining about it just shows that youre salty you couldnt kill someone and makes everyone else think less of you.

but you see.. they DONT run out of resources.

hence the problem.

Valnas · April 2015

7k dps is basically a sustain build. what you'd do to bosses in pve in blue or purple gear. why is that supposed to go through someone spamming their defense ability ?

TheBull · April 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I Ran into Benzyboy's templar yesterday. My overloads were hitting him for 1000 damage through block. He just ignored me and barrel rolled away as I dumped most of my ultimate bar into him.

And how is this different than Blinxey's anti-magic build which predates Nirnhoned? It's identical.

While we are at it, Mr. I want my class to be godlike, here is a pic for you

Thats ~21k damage mitigation in 3 seconds. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous to give this to sorcs, on top of BOL.

Here's another from last night, ~17k in damage mitigation from Hardened + Healing wards

Heres yet another ~20k in damage mitigation in 3 seconds, using healing + hardened

You have the GALL to complain about escapability/difficulty to kill on a stamina user? LOL @ you. You just want Doom2 god mode where you get to stroke your epeen all day.

Tell you what, make a stamina build, kill everyone with it, then complain about it. Right now you are crying about the paper to your rock and you just sound like a total homer.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2015

Yup. Its why I flat out changed my sorc to a stamina build. There are more folks doing this now, most in my guild are, sick of running into folks using this rendering casters useless.

At least now I can kill folks, and resource management hasn't been an issue, oh and streaks unblockable stun us useful for setting up folks for a massive critical rush to finish them off.

My arrows ignore ball of lighting, nirnhoned is useless against me. I got sick and tired of it. I use s few sorc skills for support and such, but I'm surprised how effective it actually is.

trimsic_ESO · April 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

So much L2Logic issues right here.

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

I have 36k spell resist with 4 pieces of armor with Nirn, and I still get nuked by crystal fragment for 8k damage. So no the Nirn trait is not breaking the game. It's even a chance to have this trait.

And again, you complain about how much damage you take when you don't block? You complain about 8k magic damage as an OP nuke? What about the 19k lethal arrows? What about 7-8k heroic slashes?

Zos will probably not listen to your concerns as they enjoy making stam NB op:)

Do you mean that while a sorc is burning his mana to nuke me I should burn my stam to block him? Is this really your vision of the game?

Yes, 19k lethal arrows is OP; yes, stam NB is OP; and yes, sorc without nirn would be OP (well they are OP with nirn already).

Teargrants · April 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So much L2Logic issues right here.

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

I have 36k spell resist with 4 pieces of armor with Nirn, and I still get nuked by crystal fragment for 8k damage. So no the Nirn trait is not breaking the game. It's even a chance to have this trait.

And again, you complain about how much damage you take when you don't block? You complain about 8k magic damage as an OP nuke? What about the 19k lethal arrows? What about 7-8k heroic slashes?

Zos will probably not listen to your concerns as they enjoy making stam NB op:)

Do you mean that while a sorc is burning his mana to nuke me I should burn my stam to block him? Is this really your vision of the game?

Yes, 19k lethal arrows is OP; yes, stam NB is OP; and yes, sorc without nirn would be OP (well they are OP with nirn already).

Did you just seriously ask me if you should be blocking in PvP? Super cereally? It has nothing to do w/ what my 'vision' of the game is. It's simply applying a knowledge of game mechanics. As a sorc, how do you think I survive stam builds trying to nuke me? I. Block. Their. Attacks. If I was to just rely on bolt escape + shields as some of you seem to think, I would get gap closed, CC'd and killed because CC break takes up too much of my 9k stam pool to keep doing it.

trimsic_ESO · April 2015

@Teargrants I understand your point of view. But try to understand mine: we had to deal more than 1000k damage to kill a sorc in a 2v1 combat. The damage shield stacking issue is a serious source of game imbalance, also because your shields scale off magicka. If the nirn trait is nerfed, the imbalance will be even more obvious. By the way, all shields should scale off health, because when they scale off magicka, magicka builds have both the best offense and the best defense at the same time.

Spangla · April 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

So much L2Logic issues right here.

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Getting hit for 16k crystal frags, 10k+ curses, and 15k overload light attacks.

Nirhoned buffs on armor do not need to get nerfed. They're 100% needed in this game.

You're listing unblocked crit damage while having no nirnhoned on. With nirnhoned those values are essentially halved while you continue to stand there not blocking like the target dummy you make yourself out to be. What is your response to physical damage burst which hits harder and has no comparable means of passive mitigation? Or shall I assume you are a stam build and have no problem w/ the double standard?

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

I have 36k spell resist with 4 pieces of armor with Nirn, and I still get nuked by crystal fragment for 8k damage. So no the Nirn trait is not breaking the game. It's even a chance to have this trait.

And again, you complain about how much damage you take when you don't block? You complain about 8k magic damage as an OP nuke? What about the 19k lethal arrows? What about 7-8k heroic slashes?

Spangla wrote: »

Sorc is already massively op - this will make them more op.

Zos will probably listen to your madness as they enjoy making sorc op:)

So insightful, I can take a discussion about an armor trait that applies to everyone and make it into a class QQ too:

Stam NB already massively op - keeping nirnhoned like this will keep them so op.

Zos will probably not listen to your concerns as they enjoy making stam NB op:)

But it isnt is it lol - the very best sorcs actually never lose 1v1

Ezareth · April 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I Ran into Benzyboy's templar yesterday. My overloads were hitting him for 1000 damage through block. He just ignored me and barrel rolled away as I dumped most of my ultimate bar into him.

And how is this different than Blinxey's anti-magic build which predates Nirnhoned? It's identical.

While we are at it, Mr. I want my class to be godlike, here is a pic for you

Thats ~21k damage mitigation in 3 seconds. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous to give this to sorcs, on top of BOL.

Here's another from last night, ~17k in damage mitigation from Hardened + Healing wards

Heres yet another ~20k in damage mitigation in 3 seconds, using healing + hardened

You have the GALL to complain about escapability/difficulty to kill on a stamina user? LOL @ you. You just want Doom2 god mode where you get to stroke your epeen all day.

Tell you what, make a stamina build, kill everyone with it, then complain about it. Right now you are crying about the paper to your rock and you just sound like a total homer.

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

The Irony in your post....or the Hypocrisy....I can't decide which. Blinxey? He doesn't have an "anti-magic" build. He is straight up exploiting either through a hack or a bugged game mechanics and his mitigation is far more than the protection offered by Nirnhoned.

Maybe you shouldn't try tickling a sorc to death and instead try and actually hit him.

Ebonheart Nightblade...a freaking *VR9* 1shots my shields *and* hits me for 40-60% of my health in a single attack.....then he stealths away, permarolls and does it again a few seconds later. I can eventually kill him but I should be considering he's VR9 and I'm constantly a single mistake or failure to break CC away from death.

20K damage in 3 seconds against a 0 mitigation target is pathetic. I get hit by single DK heavy attacks for that much. If people with that kind of damage were supposed to kill people in Cyrodiil they may as well call ESO CoD instead because that's how quick everyone would be killing each other.

So you attacked a sorc who had a shield up. And he recast his shield! Maybe he should have just stood there and bashed you over the head with his staff instead.

I just took video of me dumping over 300K damage into a single templar today in about 30 seconds....and he calmly just healed through the damage like nothing was hitting him until I ran out of ultimate. Am I complaining about that? Nope. Defensive abilities should be stronger than equivalent offensive abilities. That's why this is a team game and not Mortal Kombat Online.

And please show me where I *ever* complained about escapability or difficulty to kill a stamina user? I never complained about it all. People are dodge rolling all day long while maintaining a pure offensive build. That's fine by me. A lot of them get away and others dont. The issue isn't dodge roll or stamina users. The issue is unlimited resources and players who are taking advantage of them. I want that fixed and I want easy-mode 50% magicka reduction fixed. When even the freaking "scissors" are wrapped in "paper" something is terribly wrong.

Galalin · April 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I Ran into Benzyboy's templar yesterday. My overloads were hitting him for 1000 damage through block. He just ignored me and barrel rolled away as I dumped most of my ultimate bar into him.

And how is this different than Blinxey's anti-magic build which predates Nirnhoned? It's identical.

While we are at it, Mr. I want my class to be godlike, here is a pic for you

Thats ~21k damage mitigation in 3 seconds. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous to give this to sorcs, on top of BOL.

Here's another from last night, ~17k in damage mitigation from Hardened + Healing wards

Heres yet another ~20k in damage mitigation in 3 seconds, using healing + hardened

You have the GALL to complain about escapability/difficulty to kill on a stamina user? LOL @ you. You just want Doom2 god mode where you get to stroke your epeen all day.

Tell you what, make a stamina build, kill everyone with it, then complain about it. Right now you are crying about the paper to your rock and you just sound like a total homer.

Standing still spam casting wards is God mode? Got it. You do realize damage against wards is 100% unmitigated?

Would you call a templar standing there spamming BOL and healing through all your mitigated damage God mode as well?

The Irony in your post....or the Hypocrisy....I can't decide which. Blinxey? He doesn't have an "anti-magic" build. He is straight up exploiting either through a hack or a bugged game mechanics and his mitigation is far more than the protection offered by Nirnhoned.

Maybe you shouldn't try tickling a sorc to death and instead try and actually hit him.

Ebonheart Nightblade...a freaking *VR9* 1shots my shields *and* hits me for 40-60% of my health in a single attack.....then he stealths away, permarolls and does it again a few seconds later. I can eventually kill him but I should be considering he's VR9 and I'm constantly a single mistake or failure to break CC away from death.

20K damage in 3 seconds against a 0 mitigation target is pathetic. I get hit by single DK heavy attacks for that much. If people with that kind of damage were supposed to kill people in Cyrodiil they may as well call ESO CoD instead because that's how quick everyone would be killing each other.

So you attacked a sorc who had a shield up. And he recast his shield! Maybe he should have just stood there and bashed you over the head with his staff instead.

I just took video of me dumping over 300K damage into a single templar today in about 30 seconds....and he calmly just healed through the damage like nothing was hitting him until I ran out of ultimate. Am I complaining about that? Nope. Defensive abilities should be stronger than equivalent offensive abilities. That's why this is a team game and not Mortal Kombat Online.

And please show me where I *ever* complained about escapability or difficulty to kill a stamina user? I never complained about it all. People are dodge rolling all day long while maintaining a pure offensive build. That's fine by me. A lot of them get away and others dont. The issue isn't dodge roll or stamina users. The issue is unlimited resources and players who are taking advantage of them. I want that fixed and I want easy-mode 50% magicka reduction fixed. When even the freaking "scissors" are wrapped in "paper" something is terribly wrong.

Just a question.... you state the issue is unlimited resources and the player's who are taking advantage of them.

Are you not one of those ppl?

This is not a cheap shot at you by any means ...just pointing it out

DK SCRUB OUT

Septimus_Magna · April 2015

I agree Nirnhoned is a bit too strong but I understand why its implemented like this.

Pixysticks wrote: »

1. Make Nirn's multiplier increase the respective piece's spell resist instead of your total.
2. Nerf Crystal Frag damage by 10%.
3. Buff magicka DKs, and add stam-based Lavawhip morph.
4. Add incremental cost to roll-dodging multiple times within a short period.
5. Reduce the DoT damage from siege to players by about 25%.
6. Fixed sharpened bug on weapon ignoring too much armor.

Game fix't.

The problem is that sorcs do a lot less dps in pve compared to DKs, nerfing cystal frags and buffing magicka DKs will only make this difference bigger. Also nirnhoned will be useless (especially on light armor) if it would work similar to reinforced, its the most expensive trait which can only be crafted so it has to give a substantial benefit.

For pvp most of your suggestions are fine but who would want dps sorcs if in their raid if DKs can almost pull twice as much dps in trials etc? Right now good sorcs do 13-15k dps and good DKs do 15-18k dps, nerfing sorc and buffing magicka DKs would make DKs do almost twice as much dps.

Nala_ · April 2015

Spangla wrote: »

But it isnt is it lol - the very best sorcs actually never lose 1v1

i would say a really good sorc has about a 5% chance at beating a really good stam NB that wears nirn. and 5% might be overselling it.

trimsic_ESO · April 2015

Nala_ wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

But it isnt is it lol - the very best sorcs actually never lose 1v1

i would say a really good sorc has about a 5% chance at beating a really good stam NB that wears nirn. and 5% might be overselling it.

Stam NB have an OP burst damage. Fix this, and not the nirn trait.

Ryuho · April 2015

I agree that shield is a must for sorc. But for Trinitys sake please end that shield stacking, its insane... Allow only one shield to be active.. Yesterday on my fresh lvled (next vr14 char sigh - just to mention, I have sorc also, but decided to not play him for a while, guess why..) NB i fought for 30 minutes vs sorc shield stacker.. Yes i am magicka NB, yes i have 4 nirn items on me.. and yes i mitigated nicly sorc crystal/crushing spam.. but if i wasn't nirn geared, as heavy armor user probably i would ran out quick of mana/stamina = KO.. so please @ZOS before u dont fix shield stacking, do not try to touch nirn trait..

Cuddler · April 2015

Still no response from ZOS...

If Nirnhoned is working as intended, then we simply need a similar trait buffing physical resistance to obscene levels. When everyone becomes unkillable, we can finally stop all the senseless violence, and get on with what Cyrodiil was originally designed for: pick flowers and cuddle!

trimsic_ESO · April 2015

Cuddler wrote: »

Still no response from ZOS...

If Nirnhoned is working as intended, then we simply need a similar trait buffing physical resistance to obscene levels. When everyone becomes unkillable, we can finally stop all the senseless violence, and get on with what Cyrodiil was originally designed for: pick flowers and cuddle!

Yes, once stamina players will be able to stack damage shield as magicka players can do.

Nala_ · April 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Cuddler wrote: »

Still no response from ZOS...

If Nirnhoned is working as intended, then we simply need a similar trait buffing physical resistance to obscene levels. When everyone becomes unkillable, we can finally stop all the senseless violence, and get on with what Cyrodiil was originally designed for: pick flowers and cuddle!

Yes, once stamina players will be able to stack damage shield as magicka players can do.

Yes, once magicka players will be able to dodge roll as stamina players can do.

Emma_Overload · April 2015

LOL, do the people who are asking for Wards to scale off Health realize that tankish Sorc builds would be basically unkillable, even by bad luck?

Be careful what you wish for!

Huntler · April 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

LOL, do the people who are asking for Wards to scale off Health realize that tankish Sorc builds would be basically unkillable, even by bad luck?

Be careful what you wish for!

I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Tankish sorcs would be unkillable? Maybe. But they wouldn't kill anything either, thats the balance of the MMO archetypes and is fine....