v1-v14 climb is too much.

Kublakan · April 2015

Natjur wrote: »

Once you run out of quests (Craglorn Silver and Gold), leveling gets very slow
I got to V10 doing (Cadwell Silver and Gold) and to V11 by finishing ALL of Craglorn quests (upper and lower) and now there is nothing but grinding which is stupid.

It has to be so they can sell sub (10% extra exp) and exp potions

Nearly my situation as well, after doing all the quest in Cyrodil and Crag I was half way VR12. The other thing that bugs me is the extremly slow pace at which you level skills when you are VR12 and +. Shouldnt it scale with leveling? When you are below 50, skills level very fast. Between VR1 and 10, they are slower but still have a decent pace. But if you start from scratch a skill at VR12 and above, it take forever to get it maxed out.

Zheg · April 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Zheg, numbers are hard. 2-4 months for a casual to max out a character, and that's too much?? Are you kidding me?

Beyond that, most 'casuals' I know are casual not because of the time they can or cannot put into the game, but because they're not in this ridiculous hurry to get where they're going.

The game was designed for longevity. If you're done with everything even 6 months in, what exactly do you think you'll be doing 6 months after?

Are you new to mmo's, or have you not played one since everquest or something? The days of it taking half a year to level a single character are over - players don't want to spend all of their time leveling, they want to pvp and do endgame content. There's a reason you don't have corpse runs any more, and there's a reason you don't see ffxi's formula where you have to be in a full group and grind mobs for months on end just to level. In today's mmo field, yes, for a casual to take 4+ months to grind levels, it's much longer than the norm. GW2, LOTRO, AA, rift ... most mmo's today have caught on.

Furthermore, whether or not the 'trend' is a bad thing, you could level a character from v1 to v14 (without exploits) in significantly less time from launch through most of the game's life; leveling veteran ranks only recently was nerfed, with zero justification outside of the conspiracy theories of XP pot sales. The % towards a veteran level for killing a world boss was much greater 2+ months ago than it is now, and the same holds true for dolmens, delves, vet dungeons, and most quests. Completion of lower craglorn questline awards you 5k xp... out of 1 million for a level. The reason there are so many new complaints about the veteran levels is because they've nerfed the XP all around for no reason, and players are finally noticing it. Smart players are realizing that while they made it a flat 1 million xp per level, they screwed the XP rewards so they no longer give what they used to as a % of your vet level completion.

You say the game is designed for longevity, but the majority of players no longer seem to find leveling for 6+ months to be fun, and any game that forces that kind of grind would be in jeopardy. What truly helps a game's longevity is if it's enjoyable to go level an alt and try out different builds, different classes, different gear - and ESO is one of the worst games for alts. With the way the meta can change at the drop of the hat, and racials/classes can be completely screwed for particular builds - it's a horrible formula if it takes you 4+ months to go level an alt if your current character doesn't work because of a recent patch. My Khajiit sorc worked really well at launch when his racials had + crit dmg, and there were softcaps in place for attributes. Now, he sucks. Good thing I have alts hmm?

Again, leveling from 1-50 is fun and makes sense. Grinding through vet ranks is boring, and has its own host of problems that rub people the wrong way - mostly because it doesn't make sense to go through other alliance content like they've structured it. With all of the xp nerfs, ZOS has really limited your options to level - whereas before it was quicker and you could gain adequate xp doing more activities than questing or grinding regular mobs for hours on end. The fact alone that craglorn was designed to take you from v10 to v14 and it's no longer possible without significant grinding outside of the zone due to the nerfs should speak volumes for why you see 10 million posts and threads popping up on this topic. It's not that players want instant end game, they just don't want it to be a masochistic endeavor for no reason other than to create an environment where XP pots sell like sweet rolls.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

V12 on my new nightblade. 10 days played time (type /played in the game to find out your played time). I havent even done all the cadwell quests yet. Ill be vr13 before Im done with them. So ya sorry you guys have to play a character for a whole week before hitting max level.

I know numbers are hard, but bear with me. If it took you 10 days played and you're still not done, let's be generous and say your final playtime will be 12 days.

Now, unless you're one of those idiots that downs energy drinks and stays up gaming for multiple days in a row, 12 days played means 12 * 24 = 288 hours, which would mean if you played 4 hours a day (more than a lot of casuals), it would take you 72 days, more than 2 months to hit max level. If 3 hours a day, it would take 96 days and over 3 months. 2 hours would take 144 hours, and almost 5 months. So, first off, let's avoid the gross exaggerations of it only taking a week. Second, let's also realize that the veteran levels were an admitted failed system, hence their impending removal. Finally, let's realize that your story is just one, and there are many other players who have longer /played, and the situation is even more bleak for them.

Leveling should not be painful, it should be fun. ZOS has the formula down pat for 1-50 leveling; the veteran level system was a hodge-podge implementation at the last minute in beta testing, and it shows. You may be one of the very very few that enjoys veteran leveling, but you play an mmo and therefore it's success is dependent on how large numbers of people feel, and it's pretty clear which side of the argument large numbers are leaning towards.

Took me 8 days of /played to reach vet 10 which used to be the max because i played casually and did quests without rushing. I then started pvping and when updates came out i grinded my remaining levels and the las 4 Vet ranks took me 3 hours each MAX.

It is still possible to get a vr 14 in a week these days by grinding. I've seen someone get from lvl 3 to vet 10 in two days.
I wish people would stop complaining about the evelling time, I think it's actually too short

Dude those people know secrets that the rest of the world do not. And if the rest of the world found that 1 grind spot you are talking about then it would be so full of players it wouldn't be worth doing any more. So you reached v12 in 240 hours. Yea its exactly what I have been saying only 80 of those hours were getting to level 50 and the rest is dumped into vet leveling. I'm 11 days 6 hours and only v10 and I have found a few grind spots that grabbed me 250k exp an hour.

So now I'm at 295 hours and v12. It's taking me over 20 hours of gameplay to get 1 Vet rank. I'm doing a lot of grinding but also playing the game and doing pvp in cyrodiil. This is broken as hell and they need to pay attention. I should be working on my second or third character by now to see what I like to play. Instead Im making one character then ill stop because I'm not gonna dump 300 hours into getting another character to v14.

Vaerth · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

I am VR5 and getting bored

Jaxsun · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

The XP needed to gain the next vr rank should scale the same as 1-49. Problem solved. No need to even remove the vr ranks at that point.

Haquor · April 2015

I dont think it is. I dont grind so i cant get a vr in 2 hours.

Im a completionist so i clear a zone of delves,bosses,dolmen and quests. And i find that each zone gets me a vet rank.

Also. Cyrodil towns each give about 100k for the dailies and are very quick to do. So thats half a vet level easy doing the cyrodil towns once a day.

Im not sure what all the crying is about. One million xp is nothing now imho. Vet ranking back in the day was horrible. Its easy now. Just quest away and do the dailies. Stop fkn posting here about how getting max rank takes work and time.

It should.

mfrd36nrb18_ESO · April 2015

If you are DC and you unlocked Cadwells gold, there's a nice place to go from your vr level at that point to vr10 in Stonefall.

After vr10 is not worthy, so you can go straight to The Rift, maybe you should do 2 quests before unlocking the entrance from Stonefall or porting to a guild mate there. And you can earn each vr level remaining up to vr14 in like 2 hours each, grouped up with a friend. No more than 2 per group for better results.

You have just to find that zone as I did by myself

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

Grinding is annoying but I went from V1 to V14 in a week or two, which I suppose is acceptable.

I only hope that future content is all V14, constant leveling is so archaic.

Also. Cyrodil towns each give about 100k for the dailies and are very quick to do.

I highly doubt they give that much.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

Haquor wrote: »

I dont think it is. I dont grind so i cant get a vr in 2 hours.

Im a completionist so i clear a zone of delves,bosses,dolmen and quests. And i find that each zone gets me a vet rank.

Also. Cyrodil towns each give about 100k for the dailies and are very quick to do. So thats half a vet level easy doing the cyrodil towns once a day.

Im not sure what all the crying is about. One million xp is nothing now imho. Vet ranking back in the day was horrible. Its easy now. Just quest away and do the dailies. Stop fkn posting here about how getting max rank takes work and time.

It should.

How about you pay attention before abbreviating your foul language and bad attitude. Next time read the entire OP before just vomiting a remark about your opinion on a forum.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Xjcon · April 2015

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Grinding is annoying but I went from V1 to V14 in a week or two, which I suppose is acceptable.

I only hope that future content is all V14, constant leveling is so archaic.

Also. Cyrodil towns each give about 100k for the dailies and are very quick to do.

I highly doubt they give that much.

It's not that bad, if they only ever added 1 vr per new content so that they could scale gear up a bit it would still only be what 1M xp?

wolfydog · April 2015

Vet levels kinda feel like a last minute addition to give the game more content and to force single player ES mechanics into the MMO, basically being able to take a single character through the entire world/provinces.

Tal_72 · April 2015

So the message to new players is this....

Level to 50---and when you hit max level and want to PVP, you will be a punching bag and get rolled over until you either quest or grind for an amount of time longer than it took for you to get to 50 in the first place?

VR should either go--OR they should scale VR1 to VR13 to be more competitive in PVP, or put them in a different campaign like sub50s. I can tell you I know at least 2 people personally who won't return to the game for this very reason.

Lumartist · April 2015

Well, I had the same problem before I stopped playing ESO. I just returned after it went B2P and thought I end up with the same frustration as before. And to be honest questing cadwells silver is just boring for me. Not because I don't like questing, but there's just no motivation for me. Not seeing the EXP-bar moving after you finished four or five quests is mostly demotivating. No main story line, which is a big part for me, also isn't that much fun.

What I did was, I started grinding. Yeah it is as boring as questing VRs, but you can listen to some music or watching TV while doing it. I did grind ticks (dunno if it's the right term) right at the start of VR on the second map (DC). Takes me about 5-7 hours to level up. You just need some good AoE (I am a sorcerer).

I hope that they will find better ways in the future. I don't want it to be easier. As being said before - MMORPGs are way too easy these days. I am coming from UO and DaoC myself. But hard or harder doesn't have to be boring or demotivating. There have to be better ways. The CP-System is a good starter, but that can't be the end of the story. There has to be more.

Again - Make it hard, but motivate players. People want to reach goals, they want to see visible progress.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting. Edited quote to match moderated version]

idk · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

Just finished leveling up my 4th vet. Well, will finish tonight. It was so easy and fast. It sure what the fuss is about other than I guess some people want an instant end game character.

megnin · April 2015

I'm V3. I can't even remember when I leveled last. I've all but lost interest in playing.

nathan_bri · April 2015

"But, but, I *must* see VR14 next to my name!"

No, you don't. All VR levels are effectively level 50. Doubt me? Go kill a few level 46 mobs in Coldharbor and tell me if you still get loot. Oh, you did? Yes, VR14 is still level 50, just an "improved version of it," like "50 Plus." The only difference between a fresh VR1 and a VR14 is gear gating and a few more attribute points. You even have the same aggro radius at VR14 as you did at VR1. Skill points? So many players skip getting skill points by grinding that they don't even matter in the equation.

When they remove VR levels, you think that will mean anything other than in name? It won't. There will still be gear gating, so they've said, so the actual differences between VR1 will still be there, just under a new branding.

The only actual thing which would make the VR leveling different at this point is if they did not require you to complete Cadwell's Silver before unlocking your third faction. Other than that, what else is there to complain about?

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another one of these threads really?

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Man up and get on with it.

/facepalm

Dude why you lying? Either you are straight up trollin or you just don't really know. Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

I only have 2 vet 14 characters, cos tbh I hate grinding.

And actually for the first time, 3 weeks ago, I was unenlightened and I was killing stuff in the Rift and noticed a massive decrease in xp compared to how I was when I am enlightened.

Or maybe its cos I am still a ESO Plus member, don`t care either way, I get more xp enlightened than I do not enlightened = Fact, for me anyways.

So hardly lying or trolling

And I started my nb before xmas, which strangely enough was within 6 months and got him up to vr14 not long ago.

Ye ok xp has been nerfed, but I get 3k xp per kill, for killling giants and mammoths in the Rift, and FYI

It was easy to grind my nb up to vr14 compared to before 1.5 or after 1.5, so don`t tell me that I am lying or my opinion of it is easy or not easy.

You are not me!

And I will speak my mind, duuuudeeeeee

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another one of these threads really?

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Man up and get on with it.

/facepalm

Dude why you lying? Either you are straight up trollin or you just don't really know. Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

I only have 2 vet 14 characters, cos tbh I hate grinding.

And actually for the first time, 3 weeks ago, I was unenlightened and I was killing stuff in the Rift and noticed a massive decrease in xp compared to how I was when I am enlightened.

Or maybe its cos I am still a ESO Plus member, don`t care either way, I get more xp enlightened than I do not enlightened = Fact, for me anyways.

So hardly lying or trolling

And I started my nb before xmas, which strangely enough was within 6 months and got him up to vr14 not long ago.

Ye ok xp has been nerfed, but I get 3k xp per kill, for killling giants and mammoths in the Rift, and FYI

It was easy to grind my nb up to vr14 compared to before 1.5 or after 1.5, so don`t tell me that I am lying or my opinion of it is easy or not easy.

You are not me!

And I will speak my mind, duuuudeeeeee

You really are confused somehow. You never get more then 1k for killing anything ever. That is oldschool exp from like 8 months ago. Your exp counter is wrong or something. When I am enlightened I can blast through the 400k exp required for champion points in less then an hour, but that exp on my vet bar is always slow no matter what. Then you say you only have 2v14 characters because you hate grinding which is proof that the grind is a lot more then a normal person is willing to commit.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another one of these threads really?

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Man up and get on with it.

/facepalm

Dude why you lying? Either you are straight up trollin or you just don't really know. Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

I only have 2 vet 14 characters, cos tbh I hate grinding.

And actually for the first time, 3 weeks ago, I was unenlightened and I was killing stuff in the Rift and noticed a massive decrease in xp compared to how I was when I am enlightened.

Or maybe its cos I am still a ESO Plus member, don`t care either way, I get more xp enlightened than I do not enlightened = Fact, for me anyways.

So hardly lying or trolling

And I started my nb before xmas, which strangely enough was within 6 months and got him up to vr14 not long ago.

Ye ok xp has been nerfed, but I get 3k xp per kill, for killling giants and mammoths in the Rift, and FYI

It was easy to grind my nb up to vr14 compared to before 1.5 or after 1.5, so don`t tell me that I am lying or my opinion of it is easy or not easy.

You are not me!

And I will speak my mind, duuuudeeeeee

You really are confused somehow. You never get more then 1k for killing anything ever. That is oldschool exp from like 8 months ago. Your exp counter is wrong or something. When I am enlightened I can blast through the 400k exp required for champion points in less then an hour, but that exp on my vet bar is always slow no matter what. Then you say you only have 2v14 characters because you hate grinding which is proof that the grind is a lot more then a normal person is willing to commit.

? really, ok I must be imagining stuff then, when playing either of my vr14 chars, in the rift, I get 3K a kill, killing mammoths or giants, maybe its cos, correct me if I am wrong, you don`t have a vr14 character? not sure, cant really say I care either.

That is what I get xp wise, whether you believe it or not, is of monumental inconsequence to me really:}

So saying that you never get more than 1k for killing anything at all ever is complete unrealistic and not the case.

I could not care less what game you are playing, and why you don`t get good xp, poor you.

And the fact that I have only 2 vr14 chars really has nothing to do with you, why I choose to only have that, ok fair enough I hate grinding, I will do what I want in a game that I paid for and continue to sub too, any form of grinding is boring to me, so its not a case of proof that the grind is more than anyone is willing to commit too.

I will do it when I see the need, I am not masochistic and enjoy it, I do it because it needs to be done.

XP is XP, you will still get to vr14, and the further you go up the ranks, the more xp you get.

I am on cadwells gold on alt, and hence why I go to the Rift, cos as you said, the xp is nerfed considerably elsewhere, so explain to me why I see a lot of chat in the rift asking for grinding buddies, and peeps depopulating the area of giants, mammoths, trolls, since you are a expert on my game and I am clearly imagining everything.

Oh maybe its cos they are getting 3K xp or so for every giant or w/e, I don`t know why for sure, I will admit, but neither do I care.

If you are so tired of the game OP, then have a break, or leave, or w/e.

Shrugs

Oh aye just noticed you are Vr9, lol, just lol, the xp is terrible then even before the nerfs, but you get more xp for kills the further you rank up, so you got that to look forward too:}

Try going to the Rift or something, kill giants and stuff there, way better xp, and maybe you will benefit, doubt you will get 3k xp for every giant you slay, think that is for vr14s, which you are not:}

And regarding my xp, I regularly update my addons and FTC especially, but still, even if the xp is bugged, shrugs.

There is a few people who grind in the Rift, try joining them and maybe you will get better xp.

zeuseason · April 2015

Bottom line: players want PROGRESSION. There is no progression in the VR levels, it's just stale play.

AH93 · April 2015

Jules wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

This isn't realistic.

Not even slightly.

Agreed.

Ley · April 2015

AH93 wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

This isn't realistic.

Not even slightly.

Agreed.

I think 1 vet rank every 5 hours is a bit more realistic, given the right circumstances.

filmoretub17_ESO · April 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another one of these threads really?

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Man up and get on with it.

/facepalm

Dude why you lying? Either you are straight up trollin or you just don't really know. Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

I only have 2 vet 14 characters, cos tbh I hate grinding.

And actually for the first time, 3 weeks ago, I was unenlightened and I was killing stuff in the Rift and noticed a massive decrease in xp compared to how I was when I am enlightened.

Or maybe its cos I am still a ESO Plus member, don`t care either way, I get more xp enlightened than I do not enlightened = Fact, for me anyways.

So hardly lying or trolling

And I started my nb before xmas, which strangely enough was within 6 months and got him up to vr14 not long ago.

Ye ok xp has been nerfed, but I get 3k xp per kill, for killling giants and mammoths in the Rift, and FYI

It was easy to grind my nb up to vr14 compared to before 1.5 or after 1.5, so don`t tell me that I am lying or my opinion of it is easy or not easy.

You are not me!

And I will speak my mind, duuuudeeeeee

You really are confused somehow. You never get more then 1k for killing anything ever. That is oldschool exp from like 8 months ago. Your exp counter is wrong or something. When I am enlightened I can blast through the 400k exp required for champion points in less then an hour, but that exp on my vet bar is always slow no matter what. Then you say you only have 2v14 characters because you hate grinding which is proof that the grind is a lot more then a normal person is willing to commit.

? really, ok I must be imagining stuff then, when playing either of my vr14 chars, in the rift, I get 3K a kill, killing mammoths or giants, maybe its cos, correct me if I am wrong, you don`t have a vr14 character? not sure, cant really say I care either.

That is what I get xp wise, whether you believe it or not, is of monumental inconsequence to me really:}

So saying that you never get more than 1k for killing anything at all ever is complete unrealistic and not the case.

I could not care less what game you are playing, and why you don`t get good xp, poor you.

And the fact that I have only 2 vr14 chars really has nothing to do with you, why I choose to only have that, ok fair enough I hate grinding, I will do what I want in a game that I paid for and continue to sub too, any form of grinding is boring to me, so its not a case of proof that the grind is more than anyone is willing to commit too.

I will do it when I see the need, I am not masochistic and enjoy it, I do it because it needs to be done.

XP is XP, you will still get to vr14, and the further you go up the ranks, the more xp you get.

I am on cadwells gold on alt, and hence why I go to the Rift, cos as you said, the xp is nerfed considerably elsewhere, so explain to me why I see a lot of chat in the rift asking for grinding buddies, and peeps depopulating the area of giants, mammoths, trolls, since you are a expert on my game and I am clearly imagining everything.

Oh maybe its cos they are getting 3K xp or so for every giant or w/e, I don`t know why for sure, I will admit, but neither do I care.

If you are so tired of the game OP, then have a break, or leave, or w/e.

Shrugs

Oh aye just noticed you are Vr9, lol, just lol, the xp is terrible then even before the nerfs, but you get more xp for kills the further you rank up, so you got that to look forward too:}

Try going to the Rift or something, kill giants and stuff there, way better xp, and maybe you will benefit, doubt you will get 3k xp for every giant you slay, think that is for vr14s, which you are not:}

And regarding my xp, I regularly update my addons and FTC especially, but still, even if the xp is bugged, shrugs.

There is a few people who grind in the Rift, try joining them and maybe you will get better xp.

Well obviously they didn't nerf v14's exp gains. Since they don't need any exp it really doesn't matter. This is how the current system works. If you have a group of 3 people your exp is nerfed. Group of 2 you get a 10% increase. If someone comes along and smacks the mobs you are killing it nerfs your exp as though your group was 3 strong. Before v14 you can get anywhere between 650-1k exp for killing things like trolls, mammoths, or giants. Which aren't the easiest things to grind before v14 because you don't have the gear and they are usually higher level then yourself. At v14 its a cake walk because you have access to the strongest gear in the game and you are killing mobs that are 2-4 levels lower then yourself. At the current exp gain for v5's you can get 10 champion points before you can get 1 vet rank. That's 4 mil exp champion points compared to 1 mil exp for a level. Again you are someone who is saying the grind isn't bad but you refuse to take part in it again and don't know what the current state is.

Davadin · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

dont grind craglorn.

try to get Tamriel Hero title.

do quests on the other alliances. you'll gain XP soooo much faster.

HungryHobo · April 2015

They have nerfed a lot of places. I'm still able to pull 400-500k xp/hr with my characters V1-V10 now. The problem is.... it gets dull. haha. I can do it for about 20 mins... then I find something else to do. Quite boring to level Efficiently

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Another one of these threads really?

Vet levels used to be harder before the 1 million XP per rank as it is now, plus you got enlightenment that gives you extra bonus to xp.

It has never been easier!!!!

Man up and get on with it.

/facepalm

Dude why you lying? Either you are straight up trollin or you just don't really know. Enlightenment doesn't give you bonus to XP. So you clearly haven't tried to level a vet character within the past 6 months why are you acting like its easy. They have nerfed every reasonable way to make xp.

I only have 2 vet 14 characters, cos tbh I hate grinding.

And actually for the first time, 3 weeks ago, I was unenlightened and I was killing stuff in the Rift and noticed a massive decrease in xp compared to how I was when I am enlightened.

Or maybe its cos I am still a ESO Plus member, don`t care either way, I get more xp enlightened than I do not enlightened = Fact, for me anyways.

So hardly lying or trolling

And I started my nb before xmas, which strangely enough was within 6 months and got him up to vr14 not long ago.

Ye ok xp has been nerfed, but I get 3k xp per kill, for killling giants and mammoths in the Rift, and FYI

It was easy to grind my nb up to vr14 compared to before 1.5 or after 1.5, so don`t tell me that I am lying or my opinion of it is easy or not easy.

You are not me!

And I will speak my mind, duuuudeeeeee

You really are confused somehow. You never get more then 1k for killing anything ever. That is oldschool exp from like 8 months ago. Your exp counter is wrong or something. When I am enlightened I can blast through the 400k exp required for champion points in less then an hour, but that exp on my vet bar is always slow no matter what. Then you say you only have 2v14 characters because you hate grinding which is proof that the grind is a lot more then a normal person is willing to commit.

? really, ok I must be imagining stuff then, when playing either of my vr14 chars, in the rift, I get 3K a kill, killing mammoths or giants, maybe its cos, correct me if I am wrong, you don`t have a vr14 character? not sure, cant really say I care either.

That is what I get xp wise, whether you believe it or not, is of monumental inconsequence to me really:}

So saying that you never get more than 1k for killing anything at all ever is complete unrealistic and not the case.

I could not care less what game you are playing, and why you don`t get good xp, poor you.

And the fact that I have only 2 vr14 chars really has nothing to do with you, why I choose to only have that, ok fair enough I hate grinding, I will do what I want in a game that I paid for and continue to sub too, any form of grinding is boring to me, so its not a case of proof that the grind is more than anyone is willing to commit too.

I will do it when I see the need, I am not masochistic and enjoy it, I do it because it needs to be done.

XP is XP, you will still get to vr14, and the further you go up the ranks, the more xp you get.

I am on cadwells gold on alt, and hence why I go to the Rift, cos as you said, the xp is nerfed considerably elsewhere, so explain to me why I see a lot of chat in the rift asking for grinding buddies, and peeps depopulating the area of giants, mammoths, trolls, since you are a expert on my game and I am clearly imagining everything.

Oh maybe its cos they are getting 3K xp or so for every giant or w/e, I don`t know why for sure, I will admit, but neither do I care.

If you are so tired of the game OP, then have a break, or leave, or w/e.

Shrugs

Oh aye just noticed you are Vr9, lol, just lol, the xp is terrible then even before the nerfs, but you get more xp for kills the further you rank up, so you got that to look forward too:}

Try going to the Rift or something, kill giants and stuff there, way better xp, and maybe you will benefit, doubt you will get 3k xp for every giant you slay, think that is for vr14s, which you are not:}

And regarding my xp, I regularly update my addons and FTC especially, but still, even if the xp is bugged, shrugs.

There is a few people who grind in the Rift, try joining them and maybe you will get better xp.

Well obviously they didn't nerf v14's exp gains. Since they don't need any exp it really doesn't matter. This is how the current system works. If you have a group of 3 people your exp is nerfed. Group of 2 you get a 10% increase. If someone comes along and smacks the mobs you are killing it nerfs your exp as though your group was 3 strong. Before v14 you can get anywhere between 650-1k exp for killing things like trolls, mammoths, or giants. Which aren't the easiest things to grind before v14 because you don't have the gear and they are usually higher level then yourself. At v14 its a cake walk because you have access to the strongest gear in the game and you are killing mobs that are 2-4 levels lower then yourself. At the current exp gain for v5's you can get 10 champion points before you can get 1 vet rank. That's 4 mil exp champion points compared to 1 mil exp for a level. Again you are someone who is saying the grind isn't bad but you refuse to take part in it again and don't know what the current state is.

Aye that is right, they didn`t so do not have the arrogance to say to me that I am lying/trolling or that you know what is happening in my game when you clearly know nothing.

You are right about groups of peeps having xp nerfed and worse if someone jumps in and leeches.

And again you are making statements about me when you misunderstand what I said.

At no point did I say I refuse to take part, actually read my comments before you post about what I say, or my state of mind regarding things.

I said I hate grinding, but I also said I do it when I want too, I have other chars that I am thinking of levelling and will do so when I feel like it.

Hardly refusing to take part in it again is it?

Refusal is not doing something at all, when I grinded my main up to vr14 when 1.5 came in, and spent 3 hours in hircines grinding it, I admit i refused to do it again, but then I did a few months later.

Zheg · April 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Aye that is right, they didn`t so do not have the arrogance to say to me that I am lying/trolling or that you know what is happening in my game when you clearly know nothing.

You are right about groups of peeps having xp nerfed and worse if someone jumps in and leeches.

And again you are making statements about me when you misunderstand what I said.

At no point did I say I refuse to take part, actually read my comments before you post about what I say, or my state of mind regarding things.

I said I hate grinding, but I also said I do it when I want too, I have other chars that I am thinking of levelling and will do so when I feel like it.

Hardly refusing to take part in it again is it?

Refusal is not doing something at all, when I grinded my main up to vr14 when 1.5 came in, and spent 3 hours in hircines grinding it, I admit i refused to do it again, but then I did a few months later.

To clear up some things for you - the XP you see from your FTC add-on is champion XP, not veteran XP. Just because you see 3k XP scroll across your screen from the add-on does not mean that's how much veteran XP you get. Enlightenment does NOT apply to veteran leveling. To prove this, if you have a veteran character that isn't v14, hover over your XP bar to see where you start off at, go kill something while enlightened and see what FTC gives you. Now go hover over your XP bar again and figure out the difference. You will see that enlightened XP does not apply to veteran leveling.

Second, I think the reason you're driving some people bonkers here is because you haven't leveled veteran characters post 1.6 (if I'm interpreting your posts correctly) but still making assumptions that aren't necessarily true any more. For example, the XP you get for delves, dolmens, and world boss completions has been heavily nerfed. Many quests seem to award lower XP as a percentage towards a veteran rank than they used to as well. Just because the XP required for a veteran level is now 1 million for each veteran rank, does NOT mean it's quicker/easier than it used to be. To throw random numbers out there to explain this point, let's say previously you used to kill a world boss and it would give you 3% of a veteran level, though the raw number might be 30k XP. Now when you kill that world boss and get 5k XP, you get 1% of a veteran level on the new scale.

I also have a suspicion that the XP rewarded for silver/gold for quests (depending on which alliance you start with) isn't scaled correctly. They did not do a straight forward conversion of XP when they changed to the 1 mil per level system, and I highly doubt when they changed the reward XP for quests and whatnot that they didn't make any mistakes - especially given their track record of putting things in a patch, saying the new bug on said item is fixed in the next patch notes, re-affirming in the next patch notes that they got it this time, and then trying to insist in the very next patch notes that they're sure they fixed it now (...maybe.).

The biggest problem of all is that there hasn't been a single response on all of this stuff in over a month, so we're going to continue to get more threads and posts on it because ZOS sometimes likes to make bad decisions like wrecking XP and then refusing to comment on it for 5+ weeks.

Suru · April 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Not many MMORPG's take this long to reach max level. Just to list a few that take about half as long WOW, Rift, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, Archeage, Darkfall, DCUO. Is the main reason MOBA's have taken over. People want the pvp without the grind. GW2 did a really good job of this I had 5 level 80 characters within 4 months of gameplay. This game I'm six months in and still don't have a v14.

Bullcrap

Most MMO take quite a while to get to max and dont have much to do. It's a misview some players has that ESO starts at Vet 14. Vet 14 are ranks that you get by playing.

Rift took a good time to get up in. Everquest took 6 months for "grinders" and WoW took quite a bit in the start as well.

Why fast levels are bad? Look in Craglorn for those who have 4 x Vet, grinded everything. They cant barely play if it involves anything other then stand and press attack keys. Only thing they can do is Trial 1. 2-3 is to hard and they dont even know what Crypt of Hearts is.....

Having Vet 14 is alright. But be bored when you either havnt been to, or compleated Shada's Tear......kinda looses the air or the argument "there is nothing to do".

Input is good, but enough with these false info. Compare the right things.

Of course my Motorcycle is faster then your car......

What "people want" is what all people want. Not just the 10 people in your guild and random players in Cyro who asks how to leave a group..... (something very tricky to learn 1-49?)

Lol. Fyi In wow I can get a lvl 100 in less then a week.

Lol you can still do v14 in a week. 1-50 1~2 days and v1-v14 in 5 days