v1-v14 climb is too much.

filmoretub17_ESO

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

Anilahation

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

Anilahation

my numbers are of course via grinding idk about questing hours.

the information I stated is relevant to current patch.

kewl

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

Could not agree more. But it's clear nerfs are in place to sell xp potions.

Endurance

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

correction: starting from VR10, you can get a VR every 1~2 hours because of the crazy spawn rate in the cyrodill delves which will most likely get nerfed in the next patch or two because of this guy

Natjur

Once you run out of quests (Craglorn Silver and Gold), leveling gets very slow
I got to V10 doing (Cadwell Silver and Gold) and to V11 by finishing ALL of Craglorn quests (upper and lower) and now there is nothing but grinding which is stupid.

It has to be so they can sell sub (10% extra exp) and exp potions

Zheg

kewl wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

Could not agree more. But it's clear nerfs are in place to sell xp potions.

QFT. At first, I had just hoped that they didn't realize they broke the xp rewards for quests, then came the craglorn nerfs, then came the >month-long silence, and during that silence, data miners found the xp pots. It's unfortunate.

Powtreeman

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

lihentian

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

the thing is with the group que broken.. it is hard to do anything before you are maxed...

Elder_III

I was VR13 and about 35% past it when i first did Craglorn. That was just from completing every map in each alliance 100%. If you play the content you will have no problems at all leveling up without grinding.

Tonturri

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

Hi! I joined the game a couple months after launch. I hit my first VR14s (two of them) a little while before the craglorn grinds were nerfed. Since then, the two characters have been joined by 6 other characters of varying levels. Since then, I've not once been bored with the game. The only thing that bores me is the vr leveling...:)

filmoretub17_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

Sooo Where do I go as an EP v9 to get a level in 2 hours?

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

Maybe if you read my post you would know the answer to that question.

Jules

kewl wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

First before you comment let it be known that the current situation is nothing like it was 9 months ago when most of the playerbase reached v14. Craglorn exp was greatly reduced as well as group exp. Right now as a v9 I can clear out a group of craglorn mobs for about 1k exp total. If I did that in any other zone it would result in about 3.4k exp and be much much easier. It is taking me around 15-20 hours to gain 1 vr rank. This stuff really wouldn't matter if it wasn't absolutely necessary for PVP. Please no comments about how its not necessary for pvp because any average v14 will kill multiple v5's all day. Unless he's just a baddie. Since they are getting rid of V ranks altogether why not lift this severe exp curve and allow it to go much smoother? I'm really tired and this is getting old kinda fast. I am about 200 hours into v ranks and still only v9 and yea its just plain crappy.

Could not agree more. But it's clear nerfs are in place to sell xp potions.

so much this^^^
BOLDED AND QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

Worstluck

The thing is...if you are coming back to the game and are VR10 or VR12 (like myself) and have completed all of Cadwell's silver/gold, the content for you to level with is very minimal. I came back and was VR12, had finished most of Craglorn (but good luck getting a group to finish the rest), had done every dolmen, earned my explorer title and tamriel hero titles, so I had done the content already. I can work on my monster hunter title, but it's a bit boring to me (missing the dwemer one by 500 or so).

If you are like me, and used to have friends and guilds, but they are all gone now, you are screwed. The LFG tool does not work, so essentially you are left with spamming a zone chat for a group, or grinding to VR14. I just want to be VR14 for Cyrodiil and gear. The VP from PvP is still awful, so you grind, that's it. I grinded to VR13, so I guess I will have to do it for VR14.

I originally got to VR10 pretty easily, then to VR12 without much issue. Now it just seems like leveling moves at a glacial pace. I would just be happy if you could level at a reasonable pace while pvping or if they could introduce a working LFG tool that people would actually use.

Jules

Also: I found I've had good xp when leveling my v13 sorc in dungeons. Getting new achievements, and even just completing the dailies. Just FYI.

nothing2591

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

of course there is end game ?? thats the only reason i play any mmo

dietlime

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

This isn't realistic. At all.

Jules

dietlime wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

you can get a VR every 2 hours.

it takes 20 hours to get 50.

sooo it takes 28 hours to get vr14

This isn't realistic.

Not even slightly.

Molsondry

nothing2591 wrote: »

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

of course there is end game ?? thats the only reason i play any mmo

You couldnt say better. Questing is for casual.

For hardcore/semi hardcore players ... Game starts at max level . And the leveling/questing is just a task before accesing the game

NewBlacksmurf

Yep

dietlime

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

1.) "This is an MMO" automatically invalidates any argument not related to practical concerns. (limitations of design related to the network environment)

MMO's are falling from general popularity as a genre. Want to see your favorite genre continue to shrink? Continue insisting new adopters sink five hundred hours in before standing a chance in PvP, one of the most attractive and unique aspects of the genre.

2.) Opinion. PvP is infinite endgame content, which is what the OP is concerned about. Totally irrelevant.

dietlime

Tonturri wrote: »

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

Hi! I joined the game a couple months after launch. I hit my first VR14s (two of them) a little while before the craglorn grinds were nerfed. Since then, the two characters have been joined by 6 other characters of varying levels. Since then, I've not once been bored with the game. The only thing that bores me is the vr leveling...:)

Love the game, don't necessarily hate the grind, but hate that the grind is keeping me from enjoying one of the most fun PvP games out there.

It's what I came here for ZoS. Still waiting.

Ley

The amount of threads on this topic is too much.

filmoretub17_ESO

Not many MMORPG's take this long to reach max level. Just to list a few that take about half as long WOW, Rift, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, Archeage, Darkfall, DCUO. Is the main reason MOBA's have taken over. People want the pvp without the grind. GW2 did a really good job of this I had 5 level 80 characters within 4 months of gameplay. This game I'm six months in and still don't have a v14.

Cogo

Vet 1 - Vet 14 do need work. Reduce the damn exp gained! 3 chars and I never get even halfway through silver before Vet 14.
Yes, I do Cyrodiil and lots exp comes from there but still. Get it back to less exp per mob so you get to do vet areas.
Feels silly to dont go Cyro when I want too cause of xp.

Not sure what the rush is either.

I get that some players want OMGMAXLEVELORICANTPLAY. But for the rest of us who actually read the Game description would like to play up to vet 14. Not just get there in a few weeks.

Sorry, rant, but these post about making stuff easy or more exp for less effort ruins the game.

Cogo

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Not many MMORPG's take this long to reach max level. Just to list a few that take about half as long WOW, Rift, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, Archeage, Darkfall, DCUO. Is the main reason MOBA's have taken over. People want the pvp without the grind. GW2 did a really good job of this I had 5 level 80 characters within 4 months of gameplay. This game I'm six months in and still don't have a v14.

Bullcrap

Most MMO take quite a while to get to max and dont have much to do. It's a misview some players has that ESO starts at Vet 14. Vet 14 are ranks that you get by playing.

Rift took a good time to get up in. Everquest took 6 months for "grinders" and WoW took quite a bit in the start as well.

Why fast levels are bad? Look in Craglorn for those who have 4 x Vet, grinded everything. They cant barely play if it involves anything other then stand and press attack keys. Only thing they can do is Trial 1. 2-3 is to hard and they dont even know what Crypt of Hearts is.....

Having Vet 14 is alright. But be bored when you either havnt been to, or compleated Shada's Tear......kinda looses the air or the argument "there is nothing to do".

Input is good, but enough with these false info. Compare the right things.

Of course my Motorcycle is faster then your car......

What "people want" is what all people want. Not just the 10 people in your guild and random players in Cyro who asks how to leave a group..... (something very tricky to learn 1-49?)

Molsondry

Cogo wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Not many MMORPG's take this long to reach max level. Just to list a few that take about half as long WOW, Rift, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, Archeage, Darkfall, DCUO. Is the main reason MOBA's have taken over. People want the pvp without the grind. GW2 did a really good job of this I had 5 level 80 characters within 4 months of gameplay. This game I'm six months in and still don't have a v14.

Bullcrap

Most MMO take quite a while to get to max and dont have much to do. It's a misview some players has that ESO starts at Vet 14. Vet 14 are ranks that you get by playing.

Rift took a good time to get up in. Everquest took 6 months for "grinders" and WoW took quite a bit in the start as well.

Why fast levels are bad? Look in Craglorn for those who have 4 x Vet, grinded everything. They cant barely play if it involves anything other then stand and press attack keys. Only thing they can do is Trial 1. 2-3 is to hard and they dont even know what Crypt of Hearts is.....

Having Vet 14 is alright. But be bored when you either havnt been to, or compleated Shada's Tear......kinda looses the air or the argument "there is nothing to do".

Input is good, but enough with these false info. Compare the right things.

Of course my Motorcycle is faster then your car......

What "people want" is what all people want. Not just the 10 people in your guild and random players in Cyro who asks how to leave a group..... (something very tricky to learn 1-49?)

Lol. Fyi In wow I can get a lvl 100 in less then a week.

And yes to be competitive for trials and pvp you need to be vr 14 and have a minimum CP..

Keep this game in this state and look at it die. There is a reason WoW lowered by ALOT the time it takes to get max level. They understood . There is also a reason they are selling lvl 90 charaters. They understood that what most like is end game content. And its the reason they still have 10 million subscriber after 11 years.

Fast up the lvl grind , add more end game content . and then youll see the population in this game skyrocket.

Yes there are fast way to lvl up ( ie grinding ) but no one likes to have a choice in either spending 100+ hour questing or a full 20-28h hour to get to max lvl after hitting lvl 50 . This might look fun for lore lover but its not for hardcore players.

And for your exemple of Vr14 that are bad because of mindless grinding is just ...w/e .... Even IF they done all the quest bad players are bad players. Questing does in no way help improve your skills . Raiding /pvping does in the other end.

kodo

Elder_III wrote: »

I was VR13 and about 35% past it when i first did Craglorn. That was just from completing every map in each alliance 100%. If you play the content you will have no problems at all leveling up without grinding.

same here .the trick is to take the game slow, do a quest ,go fishing afterwards , writs, crafting, there are so many things to do .
i just got to vr1 after fully cleaning up all 5 zones in my alliance,all quests ,all places, all,and it took me about 5 months.but i never rush from quest to quest like most, i just enjoy the game ,i dont care about champion points or enlightement and all that crap, i just enjoy the game.

Cogo

Molsondry wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Not many MMORPG's take this long to reach max level. Just to list a few that take about half as long WOW, Rift, SWTOR, Tera, GW2, Archeage, Darkfall, DCUO. Is the main reason MOBA's have taken over. People want the pvp without the grind. GW2 did a really good job of this I had 5 level 80 characters within 4 months of gameplay. This game I'm six months in and still don't have a v14.

Bullcrap

Most MMO take quite a while to get to max and dont have much to do. It's a misview some players has that ESO starts at Vet 14. Vet 14 are ranks that you get by playing.

Rift took a good time to get up in. Everquest took 6 months for "grinders" and WoW took quite a bit in the start as well.

Why fast levels are bad? Look in Craglorn for those who have 4 x Vet, grinded everything. They cant barely play if it involves anything other then stand and press attack keys. Only thing they can do is Trial 1. 2-3 is to hard and they dont even know what Crypt of Hearts is.....

Having Vet 14 is alright. But be bored when you either havnt been to, or compleated Shada's Tear......kinda looses the air or the argument "there is nothing to do".

Input is good, but enough with these false info. Compare the right things.

Of course my Motorcycle is faster then your car......

What "people want" is what all people want. Not just the 10 people in your guild and random players in Cyro who asks how to leave a group..... (something very tricky to learn 1-49?)

Lol. Fyi In wow I can get a lvl 100 in less then a week.

And yes to be competitive for trials and pvp you need to be vr 14 and have a minimum CP..

Keep this game in this state and look at it die. There is a reason WoW lowered by ALOT the time it takes to get max level. They understood . There is also a reason they are selling lvl 90 charaters. They understood that what most like is end game content. And its the reason they still have 10 million subscriber after 11 years.

Fast up the lvl grind , add more end game content . and then youll see the population in this game skyrocket.

Yes there are fast way to lvl up ( ie grinding ) but no one likes to have a choice in either spending 100+ hour questing or a full 20-28h hour to get to max lvl after hitting lvl 50 . This might look fun for lore lover but its not for hardcore players.

And for your exemple of Vr14 that are bad because of mindless grinding is just ...w/e .... Even IF they done all the quest bad players are bad players. Questing does in no way help improve your skills . Raiding /pvping does in the other end.

So much wrong I don't even know where to start.

Your opinion is not whats wrong. Think what you like. Its statement that's simply is as wrong as "ESO have no levels". Saying ESO have levels isn't an opinion. Arguing about it seams moot.

*Sighs and looks at the bed*

Molsondry

kodo wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

I was VR13 and about 35% past it when i first did Craglorn. That was just from completing every map in each alliance 100%. If you play the content you will have no problems at all leveling up without grinding.

same here .the trick is to take the game slow, do a quest ,go fishing afterwards , writs, crafting, there are so many things to do .
i just got to vr1 after fully cleaning up all 5 zones in my alliance,all quests ,all places, all,and it took me about 5 months.but i never rush from quest to quest like most, i just enjoy the game ,i dont care about champion points or enlightement and all that crap, i just enjoy the game.

Yeah but you see the problem is that this game is an MMO with end content not a solo player game ... . And most of the mmo player ... well what they wanna do? End game content .


While questing in the first zone was quite fun for me (And im not a questing/lore fan boy at all) When I hit the VR level and realized that I would need to do all the same for every other alliance (why you dont let me experience that with my alt ????) So ..I turned up into the boring grinding option . Yes its quite fast if you do it right . but its mindless and REALLY boring . But trust me I will never finish cadwell silver neither Ill do gold . I might on the other hand do it with an alt.

Its just tooo much.

Anoteros

Powtreeman wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It is an MMORPG. Rushing to max level when there isn't all that much end game stuff yet......You will just end up complaining about how boring the game is soon.

True but every is entitled to play how they want.

I don't see how gating content behind a tedious grind as something compelling at all. Not to mention the barriers it is creating between level 50's.

I've said it once and i'll say it again all they need to do is actually put the title 'Tamriel Unlimited' to use instead of a gimmick like FFXIV's 'Reborn' and OPEN up the entire world from the get go. Factions will only matter in PVP (where they currently do now anyways since there is *** all world pvp) and players can go wherever they want. None of this *** gating and barriers.
Drop Veteran ranks, increase cap, world is open from the get go the end.