Poxheart wrote: »

Fall damage in PvP not working. I got knocked off the top floor of Nikel earlier tonight & landed without injury.

Confirmed.. It's not working half the time..

I GOT MY HOPES UP FOR NOTHING.

Soulac wrote: »

What did you expect? It has something to do with PvP.. Think about it.

Lol aye, says it all doesn`t it........Bitter growling...

nm fukit. kill them all!

frozywozy wrote: »

Sumopwr wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I'm telling you, it is totally pointless to roll any class but a nightblade in small group play. They have absolutely no counter and can play with you just like a cat play with a mouse.

frozywozy wrote: »

My solution : Make revealing flare apply a debuff that last 8 seconds on any target caught in the circle area totally denying stealth or cloaking for the full duration unless it is purged.

Usually like your posts but this one screams sour grapes.

you could make one and show this rather than saying op plz nerf.

I notice none of syphers vids show vs big dc raid guilds unless I missed it

Love to see an @Sypher vs @Aoe_Barbecue or @sypher vs Prett or any of the other NM guys.

Most of the videos Ive seen lately are farming noobs. -shrug-

Show me a video where you take down a badass with the same ease and Ill come over to the nerf NB side.

I didn't base my observations on the actual video. I base my observations from my own battles with any decent nightblade out there. They can engage you whenever they feel for it and leave whenever they feel for it. You have absolutely no control of the fight no matter how hard and how responsive you can be at tab targetting.

The most pathetic combat I have had so far in a few steps :

- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Ambush
- Surprise Attack
- Soul Harvest

Well done. And absolutely nothing can be done from any class to counter this other than using a detection potion which require gold or farming time. Something I don't have the wealth to relay on.

Caltrops

YW

Caltrops won't do any good. Actually it will help the nightblade to drain my stamina even more until he gets a full duration fear on me to finish me off.

- Caltrops
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak

You can't be serious.

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I'm telling you, it is totally pointless to roll any class but a nightblade in small group play. They have absolutely no counter and can play with you just like a cat play with a mouse.

frozywozy wrote: »

My solution : Make revealing flare apply a debuff that last 8 seconds on any target caught in the circle area totally denying stealth or cloaking for the full duration unless it is purged.

Usually like your posts but this one screams sour grapes.

you could make one and show this rather than saying op plz nerf.

I notice none of syphers vids show vs big dc raid guilds unless I missed it

Love to see an @Sypher vs @Aoe_Barbecue or @sypher vs Prett or any of the other NM guys.

Most of the videos Ive seen lately are farming noobs. -shrug-

Show me a video where you take down a badass with the same ease and Ill come over to the nerf NB side.

I didn't base my observations on the actual video. I base my observations from my own battles with any decent nightblade out there. They can engage you whenever they feel for it and leave whenever they feel for it. You have absolutely no control of the fight no matter how hard and how responsive you can be at tab targetting.

The most pathetic combat I have had so far in a few steps :

- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Ambush
- Surprise Attack
- Soul Harvest

Well done. And absolutely nothing can be done from any class to counter this other than using a detection potion which require gold or farming time. Something I don't have the wealth to relay on.

You play without potions? you're gonna have a baaaad time

We should not have to relay on potions only to counter a class. It is totally unacceptable. We should be able to use skills to counter any build from any class. And for the records, I play with tripots.

Radiant light ruins that entire build. Just saying

I've played with Radiant light for 1month since the new update. A nightblade can still easily dodge roll + cloak out of the range of the aura and ambush right back at you without any troubles. I'm not complaining for no reason. I have tried absolutely every counter but a good nightblade can easily play with you like a spider play with a bug. Radiant light and Revealing flare need adjustement to make it fair.

I'm running around 1200 stam regen, 37.8K spell resist, and about 21K armor with my shield out. 30K HPs with my tri-food on. Last night I ran into a similar situation with a 2H NB. While I didn't get the kill, neither did he, and that's a pretty solid impasse considering the 2+ minutes he kept trying to smash through my defenses.

Due to the extreme amounts of damage being slung at me, I was only once able to comfortably swap to my DPS bar and go after him (though I was in a group build atm and had Dual Wield on my bar when I got jumped, not 2H, so my burst damage wasn't good).

Between Igneous shield and Vigor, each time he came back out of cloak, I was at full HPs with a 6ishK damage shield on. After breaking fear I would recast Igneous which gave me additional stamina to keep block up without letting my stamina pool get drained too far. The only time he got close to killing me was when I overreached with trying to kill him (swapped to Dual Wield, tried to burst him down with that and a Ferocious Leap) and was low on stamina. Even then I ate a full fear and didn't die because I was at full HPs with the Ferocious Leap damage shield on, which is a LOT of HP to chew through.

We eventually just backed off. The immovable object and the irresistible force.

(at the same time I'm perfectly willing to accept that this was a bad NB, I make no claims at being good on an individual level, though I'm no slouch at stategery)

frozywozy wrote: »

I didn't base my observations on the actual video. I base my observations from my own battles with any decent nightblade out there. They can engage you whenever they feel for it and leave whenever they feel for it. You have absolutely no control of the fight no matter how hard and how responsive you can be at tab targetting.

The most pathetic combat I have had so far in a few steps :

- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Ambush
- Surprise Attack
- Soul Harvest

Well done. And absolutely nothing can be done from any class to counter this other than using a detection potion which require gold or farming time. Something I don't have the wealth to relay on.

Yea. There are a handful of abilities for every class that goes through dodge roll.

Its also no different than a Sorc using BoL and shields while trying to burst you down. Its the same concept.

TheBucket wrote: »

Sumopwr wrote: »

Caltrops

YW

dont help the weak

lol, nope it doesn`t, but it keeps them in place to be killed:D

frozywozy wrote: »

My solution : Make revealing flare apply a debuff that last 8 seconds on any target caught in the circle area totally denying stealth or cloaking for the full duration unless it is purged.

So exactly how revealing flare currently works?

Ezareth wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I didn't base my observations on the actual video. I base my observations from my own battles with any decent nightblade out there. They can engage you whenever they feel for it and leave whenever they feel for it. You have absolutely no control of the fight no matter how hard and how responsive you can be at tab targetting.

The most pathetic combat I have had so far in a few steps :

- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Ambush
- Surprise Attack
- Soul Harvest

Well done. And absolutely nothing can be done from any class to counter this other than using a detection potion which require gold or farming time. Something I don't have the wealth to relay on.

Yea. There are a handful of abilities for every class that goes through dodge roll.

Its also no different than a Sorc using BoL and shields while trying to burst you down. Its the same concept.

Conversation started veering into "Nerf Night Blade" territory. Expertly steered conversation back to the real enemy....Nerf Sorcs. Well done! Remember who your real enemy is! Those pesky dress-wearing sorcs and their stringless length of wood.

Well said mate, the real enemy is the harry potter dress wearing magical users with their staffs....hehe

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Derra wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I'm telling you, it is totally pointless to roll any class but a nightblade in small group play. They have absolutely no counter and can play with you just like a cat play with a mouse.

frozywozy wrote: »

My solution : Make revealing flare apply a debuff that last 8 seconds on any target caught in the circle area totally denying stealth or cloaking for the full duration unless it is purged.

Usually like your posts but this one screams sour grapes.

you could make one and show this rather than saying op plz nerf.

I notice none of syphers vids show vs big dc raid guilds unless I missed it

Love to see an @Sypher vs @Aoe_Barbecue or @sypher vs Prett or any of the other NM guys.

Most of the videos Ive seen lately are farming noobs. -shrug-

Show me a video where you take down a badass with the same ease and Ill come over to the nerf NB side.

I didn't base my observations on the actual video. I base my observations from my own battles with any decent nightblade out there. They can engage you whenever they feel for it and leave whenever they feel for it. You have absolutely no control of the fight no matter how hard and how responsive you can be at tab targetting.

The most pathetic combat I have had so far in a few steps :

- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade- Fear
- Fear
- Dodge roll
- Dodge roll
- Dark Cloak
- Wait for CC immunity to fade
- Fear
- Ambush
- Surprise Attack
- Soul Harvest

Well done. And absolutely nothing can be done from any class to counter this other than using a detection potion which require gold or farming time. Something I don't have the wealth to relay on.

You play without potions? you're gonna have a baaaad time

We should not have to relay on potions only to counter a class. It is totally unacceptable. We should be able to use skills to counter any build from any class. And for the records, I play with tripots.

Radiant light ruins that entire build. Just saying

Radiant magelight is a f*cking joke of an ability though. "Hey mate - want to compete against nb there are two options: Detect pots or make a build with magelight an ability with absolutely no use outside of "countering" (against a good nb when you can´t teleport on top of them constantly it´s still ***) stealth and costing you two bar spaces for being a toggle.

I wish ppl had to slot their gapcloser on both bars to counter teleport.

Correct, the primary options to gut Cloak in combat are either the easiest Mage's Guild skill to unlock, or a potion made out of some of the easiest ingredients to get a hold of.
Magelight is the more ideal choice for people who frequently get ganked due to also decreasing the damage taken from sneak attacks for self and all nearby allies; beyond that, it provides an otherwise insignificant Spell Crit buff.
Detection potions are the more ideal choice for people who are able to effectively counter being hit with Sneak Attack openers; they need only be used when fighting a Nightblade, but can be made in powerful mixture in terms of usefulness (Personally, stopped using tri-pots on all but my Sorcerer, since 1.6 made them give overlapping buffs with Green Dragon Blood and Radiant Aura) --- 40 second duration with 45 second cooldown (40 second cooldown with a single enchantment).

The secondary level of option is to try relying on ground AoEs or AoE spam to try and tag the Nightblade while invisible -- used properly these can get a Nightblade to stop attacking, but are largely mediocre in terms of a meaningful combat counter.

The tertiary level of option is to go on full defensive and aim to survive until an ally with no personal objections to countering Nightblades arrives to help.

Would be fine with Revealing Flare's effect being changed to add an anti-invisibility debuff, but also aware that it would likely end up increasing the cost of casting the skill considering how ZOS typically rebalances things.
Would also be fine with Caltrops giving an effect that interrupts all teleports and gap closers cast in the area for the duration, so that someone could toss them behind them while escaping -- this would have the added impact that people could not roll and cloak out of range then use a gap closer to get back in.

Personally have to combine three skill slots to counter bolt escape due to designing a build with no gap closer, but have no objections to that -- my build is designed to primarily counter Nightblades not Sorcerers, so tend to just let other people chase them and not concern myself. Have not held issues with Bolt even back before the first nerf.
Sticking to using Detection + Magicka Regen + Major Sorcery potions myself though; even if they had half their current detection range, it would be my potion of choice -- the mixture of effects is simply too powerful to disregard. No one else is obligated to use them though, more free kills for me.

Music choice... priceless!

OH man I have a new toy.

aco5712 wrote: »

@frozywozy you have no idea of how cloak can be broken do you lol? any charge/single target melee attack will break it. AOe will break it. Run caltrops/flare if you want. Put a flare on yourself and wait til they enter to fear. Then they have no stealth and you can kill them.... A ton of abilities go through dodge roll. Magelight.

sounds like a l2p issue.

The problem is not only to survive against them but to finish them off. I usually can defend pretty well against most nightblades because they won't fear stealth me 6times in a row until I get out of stamina so they start dealing damage. It is just the weakest way to play a nightblade (imo). The real problem is that they can too easily bail out of a fight. Radiant light range needs to be increased and Revealing flare needs to apply a debuff on the target caught in the radius that deny any stealthing or cloaking for the full duration (8seconds) even after they rolled out of the flare area.