"Away from Keyboard"??

I'm not sure what this has to do with pickpocketing....

newtinmpls wrote: »

"Away from Keyboard"??

I'm not sure what this has to do with pickpocketing....

If someone is away from keyboard and lets say hypothetically they fulfill the requirements of being pickpocketed, then its hardly fair is it?, and I dare say some unscrupulous people would not care if they seen someone standing afk and pickpocket them.
I personally would not, and wait till they came back, as there is no honour in doing something at the expense of someone if they are not even there.

Goldenjaguar_ESO wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

This will be a rather unpopular idea. There are plenty of ways to make money without stealing stuff from other players. Why would you even want to do that?

This isn't at all about getting gold or the "sword" of another player. I believe that no MMO since Ultima allowed player looting and while I disagree with it, I understand why the change came. If ESO would allow us to steal from others, then this would mostly be about the challenge and a generated item from said player.

Everyone would have a gap, I don't know maybe 10k gold, 5 rare crafting mats, 1 pink item a day ... If you however get something is totally random and depends on how good your thieving skills are and how bad those of the target. I think its a bit shocking that players don't even see that possibility, but are once again afraid to lose something.

No offence to anyone, but I wish we would get the MMO communities back where players didn't care that much about themselves, but more about what was good for the game and the community.

You could loot other players corpses in EQ as well. Eve has a similar system, and much like the first two games the system is plagued by basement dwellers who prey on new players who don't have a chance to defend themselves.

No other mmo has added this because that mechanic sucked.

The only thing that a system like this would do is drive players away.

Reading this post reminds me of how much "fun" I had playing GTA online. I guess my main fear is seeing ESO turn into something like that...which for me was about as fun as getting teeth pulled. Fortunately, I doubt very much that ZOS would let that happen.

Goldenjaguar_ESO wrote: »

You could loot other players corpses in EQ as well. Eve has a similar system, and much like the first two games the system is plagued by basement dwellers who prey on new players who don't have a chance to defend themselves.

This. I saw this kind behaviour on the first MUD I ever played (Discworld) and it had corpse looting and burying. If you got PK'd you could end up with your stuff 6ft under in a random spot in the woods outside of town very very quickly. Giving someone the option of making off with your stuff without even having to bother killing you? Gnah.

Nothing about the last 17 or so years has suggested to me that it would would play out better now.

Jitterbug wrote: »

I will amend something:

If the funds picketed were not real, meaning that it does not belong to the player but are automagically generated, just like NPCs.
The other thing, where you steal my vr14 warlock jewelry is not gonna fly.

Aye I agree with that, cos if someone was good enough to steal some high end stuff from me, although I would respect their skill, nothing would save them from my unholy vengeance hehe

There could be some rules for this activity: only unbound stuff could have been pickpocketed, only (target lvl)*10 gold could have been stolen (e.g. max. 5 times per day), you couldn't pickpocket your guildmate (that is where Justice System guilds come in), criminals could have be seen even if they don't have bounty on them ("infamy-system") etc. Maybe this AFK-thing is interesting. Player's actual lvl could lower the chance of pickpocketing (and daylight also, but nighttime should assist thieves!), while ZOS should allow legerdemain line to grow higher for competing with modifying factors. And so on.

One Word: Griefing!

I don't actually see how it would work anyway, but I would only say Yes if it was randomly-generated items that were not in the player's inventory, in which case it would be pointless anyway because you can pickpocket NPCs for that stuff.

Goldenjaguar_ESO wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

This will be a rather unpopular idea. There are plenty of ways to make money without stealing stuff from other players. Why would you even want to do that?

This isn't at all about getting gold or the "sword" of another player. I believe that no MMO since Ultima allowed player looting and while I disagree with it, I understand why the change came. If ESO would allow us to steal from others, then this would mostly be about the challenge and a generated item from said player.

Everyone would have a gap, I don't know maybe 10k gold, 5 rare crafting mats, 1 pink item a day ... If you however get something is totally random and depends on how good your thieving skills are and how bad those of the target. I think its a bit shocking that players don't even see that possibility, but are once again afraid to lose something.

No offence to anyone, but I wish we would get the MMO communities back where players didn't care that much about themselves, but more about what was good for the game and the community.

You could loot other players corpses in EQ as well. Eve has a similar system, and much like the first two games the system is plagued by basement dwellers who prey on new players who don't have a chance to defend themselves.

No other mmo has added this because that mechanic sucked.

The only thing that a system like this would do is drive players away.

Nah, I don't think so.

First of all you can steal from everyone as well and you can defend yourself. So even if someone can steal your precious sword, you can steal a million others as well. Its the same silly thing about items that can not break, why is that?

MMO´s today lack something very specific for long time motivation, the risk! To know you can die by fighting an NPC, to know some thief could track you down and steal from you, or that a city is under siege by either players or NPCs and to continue shopping, crafting there - you first have to help defend it... All those things made games like Ultima to what they were, amazing communities that still exist almost 20 years after release.

Did it ever occur to you that so many MMO´s fail because they offer nothing but boredom? How realistic is it that you can level from 1- max level and never ever die or encounter a challenge? How realistic is it, that your character is always liked, no matter how many NPC´s he killed?

Seriously, I am tired of those care bear MMOs where nothing has any consequences. Life in general is boring without risks and challenges and I am sure one reason for the current crisis of MMOs is the lack of basic gameplay features that make entering a virtual world worthwhile in the long run.

Getting nightmares just thinking about it. What if I'm crafting, surfing guild stores, chatting or doing a quest?

I notice someone is trying to grab my stuff, what happens? I have to close the guild store, stop crafting, close a dialogue window to make sure my stuff is safe? Or I wont even notice it because I'm at the dye station...than I tab back to the actual game and notice few hundred coins gone.

It would give players the ability to cancel and disturb others daily activities. We cant have an in-game feature that's basically the same as griefing lol.

The PvP aspect of the justice system will be optional, if ever implemented. But this, being robbed while occupied with daily matters, is not.

Only way I be fine with it: If money and loot doesn't come from the actual player you steal from. Instead it's random NPC items + gold auto generated by the game, same as in barrels, chests and trunks. The player you pickpocket will not be affected or disturbed in any way, not even a pop up.

I voted no as I don't see any reasonable way how this could be implemented:

Option A: You can actually steal items and gold other players carry -> you can't go afk again for a few minutes in town or half your gear or gold will be missing.

Option B: You can steal the same type of items from players that you can currently steal from NPCs (the player you steal from won't lose anything) -> pointless and can potentially be abused to powerlevel the Legerdemain skill line or to make a lot of gold in a short amount of time with minimal effort.

Option C: You can only steal from players who activated an "enable pickpocketing other players" option in the game settings -> same potential abuse problem as Option B if the stolen items aren't items the player carries, or, if carried items or gold can be stolen, will lead to many cases of accidental item loss where players enabled the "steal from me" option without realizing how it works.

Option D : You can only steal from players with a bounty -> makes no sense at all.

Option E: You can only steal from "guard players" that hunt players with a bounty -> Makes no sense. Stealing will be too difficult (if you give the guard player a way to see a hidden player with bounty) or very easy (if the guard player cannot see the crouching thief) and could potentially be abused again. If carried items or gold can be stolen, nobody will every become a guard player. If you can only get regular items you get from pickpocketing when stealing from a guard player no player will risk stealing anything from them.

This problem in balancing how easy or hard it is to steal from other players actually applies to all options.

Then there's some technical difficulties that apply in any case as well:
- The current UI has one icon that tells you if you are hidden or not. So being hidden from players would have to be the same thing as being hidden from NPCs (updating the UI and having two different types of being "hidden" would just be confusing). That means other players will prevent you from going in stealth mode anywhere in PvE and they detect you if you move too close to them. This will not only affect pickpocketing but also make stealing from owned containers or opening safeboxes a lot more difficult.
If you make the detection system limited to players who enabled "pickpocket other players and let them pickpocket me" in the game settings how can people tell which other players have this option enabled? It would just be confusing that all NPCs and some players will detect you if you get too close to them but other players won't.
If only "guard players" can detect you then everyone else is a free pickpocketing target or - see Option E above - you can only steal from guards which makes no sense and kind of makes the integration of a "steal from other players" system pointless alltogether.

If anyone can think of a good way to implement "stealing from other players" I'd be interested in hearing it

Rofl, as someone who has played Ultima Online pvp back in the day. I can tell you first hand no one even you would like to have your crap pick pocketed from you. It's a griefing nightmare.

im not gonna be picky, ill be happy if they even add the pvp element to it. just make it fair , id like to see cross faction zones then they could let the pickpocketing murdering thieve goo nuts! gaurds could keep towns in check and could leave other areas open to the players. zos makes good content when they actually make it.see what happens when/if it happens.