Please add race and name change to the crown store!

dalgrimar · April 2015

I would pay easy 25euro just for a race change.
On release i had no clue at all what benefits certain race passives give and i took a really bad race for my class and im sure allot of other people have the same problem.
+ i dont like the look annymore of my character.
@ZOS Please add a race change wich include a recustomization aswell!

newtinmpls · April 2015

No.

Just no.

Roll up another character if you don't like race. Or when the passives change in a big patch - then pay attention to what skills you choose when you re-allocate your skill points.

SantieClaws · April 2015

I'd much rather they gave us the option to purchase more character slots. The idea of a name change isn't so very bad but the idea of changing your character's race just seems weird.

Unless of course you all intend to become khajiit in which case this one says it is all good.

jpp · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

No.

Just no.

Roll up another character if you don't like race. Or when the passives change in a big patch - then pay attention to what skills you choose when you re-allocate your skill points.

Actually why not? I think everyone knows that creation of new character is possible, but I just do not understand why you forbid change of race? Same way you could forbid changing morps and attributes - you can roll up new character.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · April 2015

Name change, appearance change, respecs, more bag space, more bank space, more character slots and hell even race change are things they need to put into store if they want the model to be profitable.

Shader_Shibes · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

No.

Roll up another character if you don't like race.

Always the same response. Fair enough if you can fathom the will power to level to v14 again, or have the time and no social/work life to to so.

Maybe when they release the xp boost pots then re-rolling another toon might not be such a ballache.

LameoveR · April 2015

Add a sex change!

Exstazik · April 2015

1) add race/class/alliance change to Crown Shop or
2) make achievements/pvp rank account wide

newtinmpls · April 2015

I'd posted a NO in response to the idea of race/name change.

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Fair enough if you can fathom the will power to level to v14 again, or have the time and no social/work life to to so.

I suspect it's like jazz ... if you don't get it, then no explanation is needed. If you don't, then no explanation will suffice.

But for the sake of clarity:

1-I haven't gotten to v1 yet, much less 14.

2-name change will open the door to trolls getting unwarranted "second chances" (well considering how careful/slow any actions are taken by GMS - which is probably a good thing - more likely 4th/5th chances). If you want a name change because you are wanting to actually play a character that you rolled up as a mule - I have no sympathy for your lack of forethought (and was mecilessly mocking of a friend's after-the-fact dismay at having named a character "Mulesalix the Second").

3-Race change ... so far that I have seen has been associated with the "I must maximize/optimize my build" "OMG X has nerfed racial passives" "RP'ers are in my way" which has also (in my probably way too limited experience) been associated with rampant PvP including crapping on PvE players. Or to put it another way, if there is that little respect for the immersion/lore of the game 'verse, than I'm going to figure little resepect for other players - and I'm tired of getting mopped in Cyrodiil by crabby trigger-happy folks with infinetly optimized builds. I'm here to play with the world, in the world - and not jsut focus on who/how many I can kill.

Which, really I can't (much). I get that I am a poor choice, both skill and apptitude-wise for a PvP game or any kind of war. I would be one of the nameless faceless multitudes who get killed in droves while the few lucky/skilled "heroes" survive. I have no desire to play that out. If there were a way to "serve in wartime" in Cyrodiil in some non-combatant way (rescue operations for persons rendered homeless, or some sort of healer thing) I might be tempted. Or something based on freeing slaves (think Twin Lamps in Morrowind which was WAAY underdeveloped).

anyway....

Cogo · April 2015

No way on race change.

May I ask why you need a name change, or if you do, why would you have to pay for one?
If your name is breaking some rule, shouldnt be charged for it.

If you picked a stupid name. Or got a bad rep? TOUGH!
That adds to the flavor.

Any other reason?
And no damn race change!

Edit: Everything mr @newtinmpls said!

dalgrimar · April 2015

Are you all some pve role players or something?
Whhhat is wrong with wanting to optimize your build?
I am a pvp player and i dont like the look of my character annymore and i want a more suitable race for my playstyle.
I cba grinding my way to vr14 annymore as i just wont spend 1 month again grinding and grinding and than 1 week later they remove the veteran ranks.
I am a pure pvp player and i dont enjoy pve at all, so why should it be forbidden for people to pay for a race change if they want to and dont want to grind a second character?
Its still a mmo and as some people say if they wanna make some profit on this new buy2play system they should add options like this to the game as the current items/costums in the crown store are just not worth it to spend money on.

Aldruin · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I'd posted a NO in response to the idea of race/name change.

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Fair enough if you can fathom the will power to level to v14 again, or have the time and no social/work life to to so.

I suspect it's like jazz ... if you don't get it, then no explanation is needed. If you don't, then no explanation will suffice.

But for the sake of clarity:

1-I haven't gotten to v1 yet, much less 14.

2-name change will open the door to trolls getting unwarranted "second chances" (well considering how careful/slow any actions are taken by GMS - which is probably a good thing - more likely 4th/5th chances). If you want a name change because you are wanting to actually play a character that you rolled up as a mule - I have no sympathy for your lack of forethought (and was mecilessly mocking of a friend's after-the-fact dismay at having named a character "Mulesalix the Second").

3-Race change ... so far that I have seen has been associated with the "I must maximize/optimize my build" "OMG X has nerfed racial passives" "RP'ers are in my way" which has also (in my probably way too limited experience) been associated with rampant PvP including crapping on PvE players. Or to put it another way, if there is that little respect for the immersion/lore of the game 'verse, than I'm going to figure little resepect for other players - and I'm tired of getting mopped in Cyrodiil by crabby trigger-happy folks with infinetly optimized builds. I'm here to play with the world, in the world - and not jsut focus on who/how many I can kill.

Which, really I can't (much). I get that I am a poor choice, both skill and apptitude-wise for a PvP game or any kind of war. I would be one of the nameless faceless multitudes who get killed in droves while the few lucky/skilled "heroes" survive. I have no desire to play that out. If there were a way to "serve in wartime" in Cyrodiil in some non-combatant way (rescue operations for persons rendered homeless, or some sort of healer thing) I might be tempted. Or something based on freeing slaves (think Twin Lamps in Morrowind which was WAAY underdeveloped).

anyway....

Ridiculous. I don't get why you have to oppose if other players want to maximize their possibility in the game. Racial passive changes have affected some races negatively, such as argonians, and it wasn't their lack of forethought, they all started newbies and they had to perceive the mechanisms of the game in order to be able to maximize their build.
Most of your arguments are invalid cry-outs, stopping those veterans that are playing the game competitively. The game has changed in every way in one year, many classes had to adopt to magicka-based builds as DDs before stamina based builds were buffed in many patches. Now even class skills have stamina morphs. They opened many possibilities that people want to try out, but they lack behind in many aspects, such as the stamina regeneration for a redguard makes it very easy to maintain stamina, but I challenge you to do the same with a breton.
You can continue your role-playing in the game, and probably those who take it seriously won't change their races. However in my opinion you are simply inexperienced in the game as you mentioned that you are getting mopped on the floor in cyrodiil, and trying to hold people back who want to improve, by protesting race change. Just don't be that guy.

Cogo · April 2015

Aldruin wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I'd posted a NO in response to the idea of race/name change.

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Fair enough if you can fathom the will power to level to v14 again, or have the time and no social/work life to to so.

I suspect it's like jazz ... if you don't get it, then no explanation is needed. If you don't, then no explanation will suffice.

But for the sake of clarity:

1-I haven't gotten to v1 yet, much less 14.

2-name change will open the door to trolls getting unwarranted "second chances" (well considering how careful/slow any actions are taken by GMS - which is probably a good thing - more likely 4th/5th chances). If you want a name change because you are wanting to actually play a character that you rolled up as a mule - I have no sympathy for your lack of forethought (and was mecilessly mocking of a friend's after-the-fact dismay at having named a character "Mulesalix the Second").

3-Race change ... so far that I have seen has been associated with the "I must maximize/optimize my build" "OMG X has nerfed racial passives" "RP'ers are in my way" which has also (in my probably way too limited experience) been associated with rampant PvP including crapping on PvE players. Or to put it another way, if there is that little respect for the immersion/lore of the game 'verse, than I'm going to figure little resepect for other players - and I'm tired of getting mopped in Cyrodiil by crabby trigger-happy folks with infinetly optimized builds. I'm here to play with the world, in the world - and not jsut focus on who/how many I can kill.

Which, really I can't (much). I get that I am a poor choice, both skill and apptitude-wise for a PvP game or any kind of war. I would be one of the nameless faceless multitudes who get killed in droves while the few lucky/skilled "heroes" survive. I have no desire to play that out. If there were a way to "serve in wartime" in Cyrodiil in some non-combatant way (rescue operations for persons rendered homeless, or some sort of healer thing) I might be tempted. Or something based on freeing slaves (think Twin Lamps in Morrowind which was WAAY underdeveloped).

anyway....

Ridiculous. I don't get why you have to oppose if other players want to maximize their possibility in the game. Racial passive changes have affected some races negatively, such as argonians, and it wasn't their lack of forethought, they all started newbies and they had to perceive the mechanisms of the game in order to be able to maximize their build.
Most of your arguments are invalid cry-outs, stopping those veterans that are playing the game competitively. The game has changed in every way in one year, many classes had to adopt to magicka-based builds as DDs before stamina based builds were buffed in many patches. Now even class skills have stamina morphs. They opened many possibilities that people want to try out, but they lack behind in many aspects, such as the stamina regeneration for a redguard makes it very easy to maintain stamina, but I challenge you to do the same with a breton.
You can continue your role-playing in the game, and probably those who take it seriously won't change their races. However in my opinion you are simply inexperienced in the game as you mentioned that you are getting mopped on the floor in cyrodiil, and trying to hold people back who want to improve, by protesting race change. Just don't be that guy.

You could just say you want easy free stuff for no effort.

All the racials effects you can get with gear and/or Champion system. Takes time? Takes skill to master and find your mix? THAT's the point!

I didn't even understand you involving morphs. You can respec morphs as much as you want.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

newtinmpls · April 2015

dalgrimar wrote: »

Whhhat is wrong with wanting to optimize your build?

Do it the old fashioned way. Earn it.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

dalgrimar wrote: »

Are you all some pve role players or something?
Whhhat is wrong with wanting to optimize your build?
I am a pvp player and i dont like the look of my character annymore and i want a more suitable race for my playstyle.
I cba grinding my way to vr14 annymore as i just wont spend 1 month again grinding and grinding and than 1 week later they remove the veteran ranks.
I am a pure pvp player and i dont enjoy pve at all, so why should it be forbidden for people to pay for a race change if they want to and dont want to grind a second character?
Its still a mmo and as some people say if they wanna make some profit on this new buy2play system they should add options like this to the game as the current items/costums in the crown store are just not worth it to spend money on.

Quite simple really.
If there is one optimal race....one optimial class...one optimal weapon set...one optimal armour set...one optimal skill set...
...guess what all the min maxers choose ?

Race and Class in the only thing stopping us having tamriel flooded with clones.
We already have eveyone copying certain stamina build and playstyle...ie FOTM builds.
If everyone is same class/race ect , what is the damn point of all the other stuff ?

This is why 50+ should have been horizontal progression and not vertical progression.
That way people could be different/unique without gimping themselves.
Racial passives should have been a mere token gesture and not a must have.
Classes should have been balanced and not a must have.

Selfish people gonna be selfish.

Aldruin · April 2015

Ridiculous. I don't get why you have to oppose if other players want to maximize their possibility in the game. Racial passive changes have affected some races negatively, such as argonians, and it wasn't their lack of forethought, they all started newbies and they had to perceive the mechanisms of the game in order to be able to maximize their build.
Most of your arguments are invalid cry-outs, stopping those veterans that are playing the game competitively. The game has changed in every way in one year, many classes had to adopt to magicka-based builds as DDs before stamina based builds were buffed in many patches. Now even class skills have stamina morphs. They opened many possibilities that people want to try out, but they lack behind in many aspects, such as the stamina regeneration for a redguard makes it very easy to maintain stamina, but I challenge you to do the same with a breton.
You can continue your role-playing in the game, and probably those who take it seriously won't change their races. However in my opinion you are simply inexperienced in the game as you mentioned that you are getting mopped on the floor in cyrodiil, and trying to hold people back who want to improve, by protesting race change. Just don't be that guy. [/quote]

You could just say you want easy free stuff for no effort.

All the racials effects you can get with gear and/or Champion system. Takes time? Takes skill to master and find your mix? THAT's the point!

I didn't even understand you involving morphs. You can respec morphs as much as you want.[/quote]

Tell me how to get 12% hp and 10% stamina from champion points they way an imperial gets it. In the end they will have more. Takes no time just a bit of thinking to realise it. Takes skill to play the perfect build. You can have all the skills in the wrong gear and you are nothing.
Morphs are quiet simple really, the good morphs of many skills became stamina based, hence it is more rewarding to choose them and respec your playstyle to a stamina based one.
If I could have found one actual argument against race change in crown store I would not have commented, however your quarrel is illogical and simply counterproductive in the development of the game.

G0ku · April 2015

dalgrimar wrote: »

I would pay easy 25euro just for a race change.

Some people seem not to have to work for their money - 25€?

They already told they plan on implementing barber shop, name change, and race change in crown shop. Don´t give them stupid numbers like 25€...

Soon Cyrodiil will be like it was before the war - only filled with imperials

Spangla · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

No.

Just no.

Roll up another character if you don't like race. Or when the passives change in a big patch - then pay attention to what skills you choose when you re-allocate your skill points.

No just no - why should i reroll 12 months worth of investment because some jumped up dev decided 1.6 was a good idea?

Race change is a must if sweeping changes are frequent.

SantieClaws · April 2015

Thing is the way I approach this game is that you walk it in your character's shoes/paws. You live their life. The good and the bad. You grow with them, you work with the person they are, you experience things through their eyes.

There are sometimes good reasons for changing your name (I would not mind adding a surname to one of my characters) and sometimes a good reason for changing your gender (but the psychological and physical hard work that goes with that is really something else).

Changing your race? Changing who you are? Changing your character's background and culture totally?

I'm a big no to that.

You don't just get to change these things if they prove difficult in life. Why be able to change it in game?

Brasseurfb16_ESO · April 2015

Just a little fact to all of those saying it is lore breaking to change your race in the game... A specific NPC in Greenshade asked me to recover a very specific order for a transmutation potion so he could join his Khajiiti brothers because he was unfortunatly born without claws or a tail. He got his order and succesfully created the transmutation potion. However, there were some unexpecting results...

Jitterbug · April 2015

All the points here are sort of moot, as someone at ZOS will realize that they can make money on race changes. And so they will implement it.

It doesn't matter what any of us think about it. If they can sell it, they will.

AngryNord · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

If you picked a stupid name. Or got a bad rep? TOUGH!

I dunno, if someone who started playing and gave their toon some kewl name, but later have grown to respect the game and lore, and wants to rename their character to something more lore-friendly, I don't see a problem With that.

AngryNord · April 2015

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Just a little fact to all of those saying it is lore breaking to change your race in the game... A specific NPC in Greenshade asked me to recover a very specific order for a transmutation potion so he could join his Khajiiti brothers because he was unfortunatly born without claws or a tail. He got his order and succesfully created the transmutation potion. However, there were some unexpecting results...

The unexpected results could be implemented With an in-game race change too - such as removing all achievements, resetting all quests, and bumping the toon back to Level 1 in the Coldharbour cell.

newtinmpls · April 2015

Spangla wrote: »

No just no - why should i reroll 12 months worth of investment because some jumped up dev decided 1.6 was a good idea?

Race change is a must if sweeping changes are frequent.

Because, theoretically (being that this is an adult game) you are an adult and get to take responsibility for your choices. Yes stuff changes - in game - in life - and you learn to deal with it.

More spefically to this game it's an MMORPG . And lore-specifically, we are in the midst of a dragon break. Things change ... and will change more.

Aldruin · April 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Thing is the way I approach this game is that you walk it in your character's shoes/paws. You live their life. The good and the bad. You grow with them, you work with the person they are, you experience things through their eyes.

There are sometimes good reasons for changing your name (I would not mind adding a surname to one of my characters) and sometimes a good reason for changing your gender (but the psychological and physical hard work that goes with that is really something else).

Changing your race? Changing who you are? Changing your character's background and culture totally?

I'm a big no to that.

You don't just get to change these things if they prove difficult in life. Why be able to change it in game?

That's okay. You have a valid point and you approach the game from a roleplay style. However not all of us do that here. People who started it as casuals with their favorite-looking race now got into guilds that are competitive and have friends who want to make it into the leaderboards. They want to become one of the best, they no more feel like they are one with their characters. I can sympathize with you, because I started out just like that. But in one year many things changed, both us and the game. No one wants to reroll a character and start a new one just because of the race, people with 12k+ achievement points have put effort in one character and now they want to shape it according to the current ideal builds, without losing the work of one year. I find that reasonable enough to give them a chance.

Jitterbug · April 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Just a little fact to all of those saying it is lore breaking to change your race in the game... A specific NPC in Greenshade asked me to recover a very specific order for a transmutation potion so he could join his Khajiiti brothers because he was unfortunatly born without claws or a tail. He got his order and succesfully created the transmutation potion. However, there were some unexpecting results...

The unexpected results could be implemented With an in-game race change too - such as removing all achievements, resetting all quests, and bumping the toon back to Level 1 in the Coldharbour cell.

LameoveR · April 2015

You'll get all what you want for a fairly price, just be patient.
Alliance Wars Episode II:Attack of the clones.

who cares khajiit or dunmer kills him?
all cares about "omg CF hits 18k!!!" and "OMG WB hits 20k!" and "OMG 40k siege dmg!"
Then it will be: "Yea, man, and then i put a WB on his head, 25k! it would never have happened if I had not changed the race to imperial, lol lol lol" and "pssst. only XX$ and you'll be ultimate ninja!"
Isn't it is your so-called "PAY TO WIN" you "hate" so much in your "game becomes pay to win!" threads?

Seth_Black · April 2015

LoL
LOL
and LOL once more

ONE AND ONLY change within characters created should be regarding their looks.
Anything else is a part of character planning while creation.
Since you can play ANY race/class in thousands (or even more) possible ways argument about race is totally invalid.
I'm playing Nightblade as Tank, Healer, Stamina DPS and planning to try out magicka DPS too.
NOT having some racial passives suitable for tanking/healing doesn't make me ANY WEAKER

You just simply don't use them. it's not like racials give some king of god-like advantage anyway.
Looks like some players have kinda broken-demanding-way of approaching this game.
It doesn't matter, that you can PAY for it

ZOS needs to make sure, that game systems and all the rules make all players EQUAL

You're NOT special in any way. Others didn't like their characters ...deleted! Created new ones.
It's not like you can go buy a CAR and after few months bring it back, announce you will PAY for engine change because (for some reason) you don't like the sound it makes

Demanding services completely useless to the MAJORITY of players is simply pointless.

...think about it

Aldruin · April 2015

Seth_Black wrote: »

LoL
LOL
and LOL once more

ONE AND ONLY change within characters created should be regarding their looks.
Anything else is a part of character planning while creation.
Since you can play ANY race/class in thousands (or even more) possible ways argument about race is totally invalid.
I'm playing Nightblade as Tank, Healer, Stamina DPS and planning to try out magicka DPS too.
NOT having some racial passives suitable for tanking/healing doesn't make me ANY WEAKER
You just simply don't use them. it's not like racials give some king of god-like advantage anyway.
Looks like some players have kinda broken-demanding-way of approaching this game.
It doesn't matter, that you can PAY for it
ZOS needs to make sure, that game systems and all the rules make all players EQUAL
You're NOT special in any way. Others didn't like their characters ...deleted! Created new ones.
It's not like you can go buy a CAR and after few months bring it back, announce you will PAY for engine change because (for some reason) you don't like the sound it makes
Demanding services completely useless to the MAJORITY of players is simply pointless.

...think about it

I literally LOL'd at your first sentence. The looks of your character IS part of the character creation

Now your whole argument is false, but I will continue anyways. Yes it does make you weaker if you don't have to right passives, however you can survive with your skills and your gear. However there will always be people above you, since they have advantages over you. I for example use the redguard racial passive when I am playing as a nightblade DD. It is almost like a second stamina pool. It really really helps me sustain my stamina, and therefore I don't have to focus on regeneration sets, I can go for pure weapon damage sets. It's not a god-like power, but a really significant advantage.
And for those of you who didn't know: More max stamina = More Damage. Your max stats do actually influence the damage of your skills. My 10% max stamina as a redguard does make me stronger, than a breton stamina nightblade, who only gets more magicka, but wants to use stamina build. It's not about being able to pay for it or not. I wouldn't mind if it got implemented in the game in another way, however as of now the crown store is the most obvious tool for that.
Regarding all those examples from real life...people, this is a game. Don't compare it to difficulties in real life, don't compare it to buying a car because the two have nothing in common. You don't live in this game, you don't have to live the difficulties of real life here. You don't have the time to just delete a character that you shaped for a year and make a new one. If you want to continue doing that, do it, but don't drag the rest of us with you.

newtinmpls · April 2015

After watching the Deltia's Gaming videos where he MOPPS with a lvl 11 character ... if you are blaming your lack of #1 leaderboardness on the racial passives.... well let's just say you can do better than that.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · April 2015

In last Friday's ESO Live they said they are planning to implement appearance change, name change, and race change as Crown Store options. They did not give a date, but they are working on it.