Get rid of healing springs already.

Galalin · April 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

@Galalin - Why start with the same solution you gave for meteor? Start by simplifying/reducing the particle effect to see if that helps.

I agree it may help but meteor is not spammed in such a way as healing springs... this is why i prioritized that healing springs needs to be changed somehow first and foremost to reduce the spamming. There are other factors like server calculations each time an ability is used.

There are a lot of skills that if changed to prevent or reduce spamming that would help cut down on the lag... i just see healing springs as the biggest culprit of them all.

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Galalin · April 2015

And for the record i also agree we shouldn't even need topics like this as it should be ZoS' s problem to fix... but they have pretty much given up on it and have not made any improvement.

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Anazasi · April 2015

There is also the possibility to change healing spring so it cancels previous casts. Something purify or siege bubble. Might be able to increase the duration also but it would stop one person from spamming. Of course 20players spamming it still would create a problem.

dalgrimar · April 2015

I am a DK Healer and Healing Springs is like my main source of heal so dont remove this abbility please.
Also if you dont like the lag just quit zerging.
I doubt Healing Springs has annything to do with the lag...

Galalin · April 2015

dalgrimar wrote: »

I am a DK Healer and Healing Springs is like my main source of heal so dont remove this abbility please.
Also if you dont like the lag just quit zerging.
I doubt Healing Springs has annything to do with the lag...

May i ask your current lvl and PvP rank just out of curiosity?

If by zerging you mean my 4 to 16 man grps are you suggesting i just play solo in an mmo?

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Galalin · April 2015

Anazasi wrote: »

There is also the possibility to change healing spring so it cancels previous casts. Something purify or siege bubble. Might be able to increase the duration also but it would stop one person from spamming. Of course 20players spamming it still would create a problem.

I think the main issue would be the spamming of it... finding a way to reduce that, i feel would be the best option... but you make a valid point

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Earendal · April 2015

people still use healing springs?

newtinmpls · April 2015

You had the answer right here and apparently you didn't see it:

"Galalin wrote: »

Next: change the meteor animation to something simple.... i think most would also agree as soon as the meteor spams start ot has almost the same effect on lag.

Clearly it's not a problem with the spell, it's a problem with the graphics effects causing lag. I get that. On my older 'puter, I have to go low rez graphics any time I go in fungal grotto 'cause it's just too damn "light" for my 'puter to handle.

Galalin · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

You had the answer right here and apparently you didn't see it:

[quote="Galalin;164557
Next: change the meteor animation to something simple.... i think most would also agree as soon as the meteor spams start ot has almost the same effect on lag.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Clearly it's not a problem with the spell, it's a problem with the graphics effects causing lag. I get that. On my older 'puter, I have to go low rez graphics any time I go in fungal grotto 'cause it's just too damn "light" for my 'puter to handle.

I agree but also think its compounding issues leading up to the complete shitting the bed of the server. I know changing healing springs alone isn't going to magically solve all of the lag issue but add in like you just said meteor and all the other contributing spammed abilities and over exaggerated graphics and im sure the lag will stop... im trying to target the biggest culprits first and yes meteor is one of them

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Xiphyla · April 2015

Galalin wrote: »

dalgrimar wrote: »

I am a DK Healer and Healing Springs is like my main source of heal so dont remove this abbility please.
Also if you dont like the lag just quit zerging.
I doubt Healing Springs has annything to do with the lag...

May i ask your current lvl and PvP rank just out of curiosity?

If by zerging you mean my 4 to 16 man grps are you suggesting i just play solo in an mmo?

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Dalgri is from EU server.

newtinmpls · April 2015

I'm hearing that "too much going on" is one problem that leads to lag, and that excessive visual effects is another. Seems like there should be some work on minimizing that - or somehow making it trigger on the person's PC... I'm not computer savvy enough to know how that would be done.

DaveMoeDee · April 2015

They should modify skills if there are balance issues. If there are no balance issues, I'm not interested in a tweak of the skill.

KeplerMG · April 2015

Galalin wrote: »

@ZoS after all the failed attempts to fix the lag and spread out the blob spammers... can we just fix the real problem already and get rid of healing springs and group damage shields.

There is enough self healing in the game combined with templar heals to completely get rid of healing spings... turn it into a group healing buff... say 30% more healing received for 20 secs... this way it still acts as a heal in the sense all other heals are buffed and it doesn't need to be spammed. I think most would agree this is the single most detrimental cause of lag when in bigger fights... it forces ppl to group up very tight all the while spamming other abilities.

Next: change the meteor animation to something simple.... i think most would also agree as soon as the meteor spams start ot has almost the same effect on lag. I don't think a single person is going to say i like the animation more than the lag it produces... the simple little blue circle around you with a smaller simple animation would suffice.. and lastly the sound effects that come with meteor i also feel contribe to the lag... but thats just my own opinion.

This has been a known problem forever now... its time to do something about it other than let your player base point fingers at eachother yelling exploit.

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Or they could fix the worthless Templar AOE heal, then you'd see a lot less healing springs.

Derra · April 2015

You can´t change the most important pve heal for every non templar due to some pvp lag it might or might not cause. Even reducing spamming is questinable bc sometimes you need to heal in different locations - which would not be possible if you could only lay down one healing springs.

Kerioko · April 2015

I am an Argonian NB Healer and have successfully healed all vet dungeons, trials, and vet DSA. While I hardly use springs for 4 man content (I prefer a rotation of mutagen, funnel health, and healing ward), I have to use it for burst and sustained heals in raids. Mutagen, refreshing path, funnel health and springs do crazy sustained healing when stacked on the group. Another main use of springs, specifically in vet DSA, is using the skill with a master staff to return stamina, giving me access to something similar to the stam regen of a templar's shards.

Given the way I heal 4 man content, replacing springs with a 30% healing buff would be nice for my hots, but would not help in trials because I would then lack a large efficient group burst heal (combat prayer is not efficient for spamming).

And on the topic of self heals, yes there are alot, and they are great for solo content, but for hard mode PVE, they are pretty useless. When a group of 12 DPS with self heals complete SO or a group of 4 without a dedicated healer complete vet DSA, I'll be ready to give up springs...but until then, no!

Galalin · April 2015

Derra wrote: »

You can´t change the most important pve heal for every non templar due to some pvp lag it might or might not cause. Even reducing spamming is questinable bc sometimes you need to heal in different locations - which would not be possible if you could only lay down one healing springs.

I never said you could only lay one down. There really isn't any change other than the duration and increased cost to make up for the longer duration. Yes the cost would be higher for using it on the move but i don't see how this is not adaptable... there is no perfect solution to everything... but i would say the benifits out weigh the costs here.

We could always leave everything as is and continue to cry about it all over the forums or try to make some viable changes to help

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