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Should PvP part of Justice System include pickpocketing other players?

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arena25
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If/when the PvP part of the Justice System is released, do you believe that players should be pickpocketed?
Edited by arena25 on April 12, 2015 8:01PM
If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!

Should PvP part of Justice System include pickpocketing other players? 152 votes

YES! I'm starved of funds.
9%
Naivefanboitimborggrenlarsenb16_ESOKnootewootSome_JerkDreadnoughtphreatophileSirCriticalSoulacdemenziamichael_bimsonDDemonAudigysagitterAssaultLemming 14 votes
Yes, but only if the player being pickpocketed is marked as Enforcer.
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IcyDeadPeopleYsne58vkayne_ESOSylveria_ReldenKalmanAlphashadoKendaricFreedomDudeAH93liammozzb16_ESOFrenkthevileDennizon 12 votes
Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is not AFK.
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ZazaajiHonfoldxlemonlawsirston 4 votes
Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
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No (explain below)
59%
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Do not care/Wait and see/Casual Observer
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Psychobunniskarvikawenchmore420b14_ESOValen_ByteSleepWoolenthreadsacheron888Tomsy 8 votes
  • arena25
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
    Voting on my own poll...

    I think Yes, but only if the player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK. Why? Because then, Outlaws won't have a field day pickpocketing AFK people, and also, this will allow people who don't want to participate in Justice System PvP to not be pickpocketed.
    If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!
  • Daraugh
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
    ...and whatever is stolen is generated by the system, not removed from wallet/bags. Maybe the purple drop should be a sweetroll?
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  • Romo
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    No (explain below)
    No reason to explain.

    The answer is NO.
  • Sylveria_Relden
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    Yes, but only if the player being pickpocketed is marked as Enforcer.
    If the player is flagged for PvP - then yes, as they're consenting to Player-vs-Player actions. As to being AFK- it's your own damn fault if you're not paying attention, and flagged for PvP.
    TL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.
  • Amsel_McKay
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    No (explain below)
    Romo wrote: »
    No reason to explain.

    The answer is NO.
    Romo wrote: »

    ^^^^
  • djnapstyb14_ESO
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    No (explain below)
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  • TD5160_ESO
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    No (explain below)
    Romo wrote: »
    No reason to explain.

    The answer is NO.
    Amsel_McKay wrote: »

    ^^^^

    Edited by TD5160_ESO on April 12, 2015 8:35PM
  • Xendyn
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    No (explain below)
    Go get your own stuff
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  • MercyKilling
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    No (explain below)
    Not only no, but HELLSNO. Never. Not in a million years.

    Seriously, if Zenimax wants to sign their own death warrant for this game, they'd listen to this idiotic suggestion.
    I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
    1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
    2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
    3) Difficulty slider.
    4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
    Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.
  • Chuggernaut
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    No (explain below)
    Daraugh wrote: »
    ...and whatever is stolen is generated by the system, not removed from wallet/bags. Maybe the purple drop should be a sweetroll?

    lol I love this ↑ "Yes want it, but not really".

    Can someone start a petition in this poll so it can be shut down sooner?

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  • Elijah_Crow
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    No (explain below)
    I would be fine with pick pocketing other players as long as what your stealing is not actually from their inventory, but system generated. You shouldn't be able to abuse other players in any area.
    The Differently Geared

  • Valen_Byte
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    Do not care/Wait and see/Casual Observer
    'Enforcer' part of the justice system will never even happen. Just like the Vet ranks will never be removed.
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  • Tandor
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    No (explain below)
    As I fervently hope that PvP is never added to the Justice System, the answer for me is no. PvE penalties for what are PvE crimes in PvE areas, that's my wish for the Justice System, not some back door way of introducing open world PvP.


    Edited by Tandor on April 12, 2015 9:48PM
  • Sylveria_Relden
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    Yes, but only if the player being pickpocketed is marked as Enforcer.
    Tandor wrote: »
    As I fervently hope that PvP is never added to the Justice System, the answer for me is no. PvE penalties for what are PvE crimes in PvE areas, that's my wish for the Justice System, not some back door way of introducing open world PvP.

    As I said in my own response- those flagged for PvP would be fair game, as they've consented to do so. I do agree with you, however, that it should not be used as some "back door" to facilitate open-world PvP. That's what Cyrodil was designed for- and if others want "open world PvP" there's a whole area dedicated to just that.
    TL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.
  • timidobserver
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    No (explain below)
    I think ZOS figured out that there are too many anti-pvp types in the game to add any kind of PvP to the justice system. The only way it would work is if they created a new map and only that map had the PvP portion of the justice system added. There would be a lot of rage, but that could work. However, it wouldn't go over well if it was added to the entire game.
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  • xlemonlaw
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is not AFK.
    Yes, if there's some sort of system where only people that are pickpocketing others, can be pickpocketed. Or something like that..
  • I_killed_Vivec
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    Maybe...

    But only if when you catch them you can kill them and rob their corpse.

    Justice :)
  • Audigy
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    YES! I'm starved of funds.
    Of course, that's the whole point of the system isn't it? ;)
  • Cody
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
    if the player is flagged, yes.

    if not, no.
  • SHADOW2KK
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
    As some others have said, only if person is flagged, therefore the person knows the risks, then aye.
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  • Mettaricana
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    No (explain below)
    umm **** no why would i wanna have the 2k gold i made from a craft magically vanish from my bag because some [snip] grabbed it from me while i was depositing it. or have my legendary sword magically vanish off my back. seriously not fun in the least it'll become elder nudes online in a week because everyone jacking everyones stuff wouldnt have enough law keepers to make this functional

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    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 12, 2015 10:53PM
  • Dru1076
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    No (explain below)
    This will be a rather unpopular idea. There are plenty of ways to make money without stealing stuff from other players. Why would you even want to do that?
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  • arena25
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    Yes, but only if player being pickpocketed is flagged as Enforcer and not AFK.
    Dru1076 wrote: »
    This will be a rather unpopular idea. There are plenty of ways to make money without stealing stuff from other players. Why would you even want to do that?

    As someone suggested, why not use system generated stuff and not actual stuff the player has.

    And besides, what better way to test whether or not you're a skilled criminal then to test your luck against fellow players?
    If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!
  • Audigy
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    YES! I'm starved of funds.
    Dru1076 wrote: »
    This will be a rather unpopular idea. There are plenty of ways to make money without stealing stuff from other players. Why would you even want to do that?

    This isn't at all about getting gold or the "sword" of another player. I believe that no MMO since Ultima allowed player looting and while I disagree with it, I understand why the change came. If ESO would allow us to steal from others, then this would mostly be about the challenge and a generated item from said player.

    Everyone would have a gap, I don't know maybe 10k gold, 5 rare crafting mats, 1 pink item a day ... If you however get something is totally random and depends on how good your thieving skills are and how bad those of the target. I think its a bit shocking that players don't even see that possibility, but are once again afraid to lose something.

    No offence to anyone, but I wish we would get the MMO communities back where players didn't care that much about themselves, but more about what was good for the game and the community.
    Edited by Audigy on April 13, 2015 12:00AM
  • Dru1076
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    No (explain below)
    Sorry...but I don't see this move as being good for the community. I see a can of worms best left unopened. If all you want is a real challenge to test your skill, pick the pocket of a guard.

    If I seem selfish to you, that's because I am voicing my opinion... And my opinion is selfish because that's the nature of opinions. That is no less selfish than you voicing yours.

    I think there are better ways to test your skill than this suggestion. If it was randomly generated loot and the person getting their pockets picked lost nothing that would hardly be immersive... And then there is the question about witnessing the crime.

    Would the person getting robbed have to chase the criminal down? Or will other players become active witnesses? If so... Would that be only for crimes committed against them?
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    No (explain below)
    It would be a nice idea but never be good cause there's some stuff some players either worked hard to get or made and so on. So good idea but don't every put into play.
  • starkerealm
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    No (explain below)
    Elijah_Crow wrote: »
    I would be fine with pick pocketing other players as long as what your stealing is not actually from their inventory, but system generated. You shouldn't be able to abuse other players in any area.

    Yeah, I see no way this could be abused with "consensual" pickpocketing between players to generate cash on the fly...
  • newtinmpls
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    No (explain below)
    what does AFK stand for?
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  • Dru1076
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    No (explain below)
    newtinmpls wrote: »
    what does AFK stand for?

    Away From Keyboard
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  • Necrelios
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    No (explain below)
    There was no option for "Yes, but only if player IS marked as AFK." That would teach those AFKer's to leech valuable server resources!
    Edited by Necrelios on April 13, 2015 5:30AM
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