PvE in Cyrodiil

Keron · April 2015

I changed my mind. Since you are so adamant that the pop indicators are correct, the only explanation left is that half to three quarters of the population playing on EP Azura EU is doing dolmens or ERPing in some far out corner. Get rid of them. Remove any and all PvE content from Cyrodiil that may interest a PvE player in coming to that map for any purpose other than PvP. Also, remove all Skill Points from alliance ranks and make all Alliance Warfare skills only work in Cyrodiil. Remove all Skyshards, Quests, Delves, Dolmens, Achievements, Stories, POIs or whatever has nothing to do with the purpose of this map (and that I hope is PvP).

Alternatively and preferrable from my point of view is kick and ban every player that does not attack an opposing faction player within 15 minutes. That would also get rid of those just idling in keeps for dee ticks.

Yes, I'm slightly miffed at the game right now, but this opinion stands irrespective of my mental state. Do something.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

lol... you noticed the non existant pop locked community too eh ?
I was bad enough with normal populations.
After nerfing the pop cap 3x those PVE players make up a large percentage of the PVP population.
Especially on Azuras for some reasons.
I bet there is a warehouse of sleeping DC/AD alts logged in as EP

Keron · April 2015

True, true...

skarvika · April 2015

I'm pretty much a PVP guy myself. Decided to actually try some PVE in Cyrodiil the other day yknow, just to get myself some xp...go into Bruma...boom, ganked. Let out an exasperated sigh, waited a few minutes, went back to Bruma. Tried sneaking this time. Boom, ganked again. Guess who's still not doing PVE content. Why does PVE in Cyrodiil even exist? You can't do any of the quests properly because gankers know that the questing zones are prime spots to pick off solo players, so what's the point?

Cody · April 2015

only 15 minutes? I can actually be trying to PvP and i wont find people in 15 minutes:/

skarvika · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

only 15 minutes? I can actually be trying to PvP and i wont find people in 15 minutes:/

Yeah, those travel times are LONG, even if you're like me with 60% speed and rapid maneuver, it'll take a few minutes to get from keep to keep. You get logged out after about 15 minutes of inactivity anyways.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2015

easiest way to solve your frustrations, create a pve only campaign of cyrodiil so you dont have to deal with we pve'er, and we dont have to deal with [snip] ganking us when we are trying to explore and have fun.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

newtinmpls · April 2015

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

easiest way to solve your frustrations, create a pve only campaign of cyrodiil so you dont have to deal with we pve'er, and we dont have to deal with [snip] ganking us when we are trying to explore and have fun.

Perhaps not the most diplomatic post ever ... but you have a point.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Sharee · April 2015

The so-called PvE in cyrodiil is just another form of PvP.

I am leveling a DK atm, primarily through cyrodiil hubs (bruma and cheydinhal in particular) and it is a rare day where i do not get several kills (and the occasional death) there.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

easiest way to solve your frustrations, create a pve only campaign of cyrodiil so you dont have to deal with we pve'er, and we dont have to deal with elitest douchnozzels ganking us when we are trying to explore and have fun.

Perhaps not the most diplomatic post ever ... but you have a point.

your right, apologies, i just get tired of seeing threads like these, where pvp'ers think they are the only ones playing the game

Shadow-Fighter · April 2015

@Keron,

you are wrong, ZOS want to invite ppl to do PVE in Cyrodiil.
Let read the last Patchnotes again and you will see there are a new buff locations at all
and you will get eg Cold Fire Trebuchet at dark anchors

ZOS has divided ppl into two groups in Cyrodiil (PVP and PVE) and this is what ZOS want.

but, your right ^^

sorry for bad english

Keron · April 2015

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

easiest way to solve your frustrations, create a pve only campaign of cyrodiil so you dont have to deal with we pve'er, and we dont have to deal with elitest douchnozzels ganking us when we are trying to explore and have fun.

Perhaps not the most diplomatic post ever ... but you have a point.

your right, apologies, i just get tired of seeing threads like these, where pvp'ers think they are the only ones playing the game

I'll answer that post even though I have already reported you for trolling and baiting, because what you write simply cannot be anything else.

Cyrodiil is the one PvP map we have in this game. It is supposed to be PvP, your comment makes not even a little bit of sense.

If my faction is pop locked and there are only 15 (!) players bothering to defend the last home keep, then there is something seriously wrong.

Those blocking the PvP players from entering the region while refusing to take part in the designated purpose of the map are griefing, as simple as that. Griefing is a banable offense.

Keron · April 2015

@Sharee
I understand your point, but that does not change the issue. It is beyond frustrating to see ones own faction being pop locked and nonetheless incapable of fielding anything even remotely sufficient to fight the enemy hordes.

Hence the point: you go to cyrodiil to take part in the game there and the only way to remove the problem is to make any and all other incentives there disappear.

newtinmpls · April 2015

Keron wrote: »

If my faction is pop locked and there are only 15 (!) players bothering to defend the last home keep, then there is something seriously wrong.

Those blocking the PvP players from entering the region while refusing to take part in the designated purpose of the map are griefing, as simple as that. Griefing is a banable offense.

I don't know what the limits are on population.

I don't think that it's reasonable to call ignoring someone (or something) by turning your attention elsewhere "griefing". That dose not make sense to me.

I understand that there are serious imbalance problems in some of the AvAvA play - but I also understood that the map will reset itself after each campaign.

IF groups of folks were somehow magicically deliberately occuping major "population limits" in a particular faction in a particular campaign - then I think you would have a case. That does not seem to be what is happening. It's just not as many wanting to play "a certain way" as you would like. That does sound frustrating.

Keron · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

only 15 minutes? I can actually be trying to PvP and i wont find people in 15 minutes:/

I just picked a number. Although, if your faction is pop locked, it should be possible to find a fight within that time - with manoeuvre and a fast horse you could traverse the whole map in that time.

Make the timer dependend on the population number. At low, 30 mins, at medium 20 , at high and full 15.

Sharee · April 2015

Keron wrote: »

@Sharee
I understand your point, but that does not change the issue. It is beyond frustrating to see ones own faction being pop locked and nonetheless incapable of fielding anything even remotely sufficient to fight the enemy hordes.

Hence the point: you go to cyrodiil to take part in the game there and the only way to remove the problem is to make any and all other incentives there disappear.

The 'enemy hordes' are also diminished by their own people who PvE. So in the long run it balances out.

And i believe you are just exaggerating the problem. The issue is not that too many of your own are doing PvE (i never saw more than 3 at a time at the hub). The issue is that the enemy concentrated their PvP forces while yours are spread thin(or just fighting elsewhere, outnumbering the enemy there in turn).

I can't count how many times i thought 'omg this enemy zerg, where is everyone, we are so doomed', and 5 mins later after we lose the keep i am defending, 3 enemy keeps flip to our color - that's where everyone was.

Keron · April 2015

Come, join EP EU on Azura and watch yourself. That's all I can say.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

Keron wrote: »

Come, join EP EU on Azura and watch yourself. That's all I can say.

2nd'd....you will see pop lock....no keeps or resources flipping anywhere.
Zone chat is dead other than the occasional LFG and everyone joins the group.
That group often amount to 16 players....sometime on a good day in prime time 2 groups of 30.
That's it ...the sum total of primary EP defence/attack when pop locked.

Either something really fishy is going on or no one else in EP is the slightest bit interested in campaign PVP.
Of course...as per usual ZOS own spin on the freedom of information act...no one knows where all these bodies are.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

easiest way to solve your frustrations, create a pve only campaign of cyrodiil so you dont have to deal with we pve'er, and we dont have to deal with elitest douchnozzels ganking us when we are trying to explore and have fun.

Perhaps not the most diplomatic post ever ... but you have a point.

How are we elitist? for ganking PvE peeps?, its a PvP zone, you wanna quest, do it elsewhere.

Im normally too busy actually fighting for my alliance, but if I am near quest areas and I see some peeps on a quest, then sorry, I will happily kill them, more AP for me.

It really does make me laugh that PvE peeps moan about buffs but the vast majority of which do not bother to actually fight for them, while we, the fighters who actually get your buffs, actually fight, and its a mostly thankless task.

I am not meaning to sound evil, but on the route to varying skirmishes, if I see questers or RP peeps doing stuff, I will kill them.

Its a war zone, you take the risks of being killed, and it is really annoying how every campaign is pop locked at most times of day, and I bet a lot of them are peeps doing quests.

I do PvE and PvP, but to be fair, to the ones who moan about being ganked, PvE`ers have tons of zones for quests, Cyrodill is a PvP area, with some PvE in it, but you take the risks of being killed, just like us warriors who actually do something for our alliance.

And also, it is infuriating, seeing groups of people not actually capping keeps or res, but doing PvE stuff, there`s a war going on, contribute!!!!, and then if you really wanna explore, go skysharding, or delves or w/e, then do it, but at least contribute to the war effort....

But I do agree with you on the topic of a PvE campaign in Cyrodill, keeps both sides happy. and hopefully the lag will be fixed for all.

newtinmpls · April 2015

It's not a war that I support or agree with. Yes, I'm all for saving Nirn. I'll work towards that. I'm just not invested in killing folks for no good reason along the way.

Keron · April 2015

No one forces you to. But stop griefing those that fight there, dear PvE crowd.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

It's not a war that I support or agree with. Yes, I'm all for saving Nirn. I'll work towards that. I'm just not invested in killing folks for no good reason along the way.

Um ok, not killing folks for no good reason?

If they have enemy markers above their head, then they die...

Its a war zone.

Keron wrote: »

No one forces you to. But stop griefing those that fight there, dear PvE crowd.

Well said.

newtinmpls · April 2015

I do really think that this is kind of a problem with ESO.

PvPers are "forced" to PvE which they don't want, in order to get to the stuff they do.

PvEers go through a lovely and deailed series of quests - and their "reward" is something they don't like.

I wish for another .... option.

Is there a way to have exciting battle-y stuff that either combines or surpasses both of these choices? I admit, looking at the intro video, I never pictured a grind of repeatable "kill other PC" quests. I pictured working with folks from other races/cultures to fight a common enemy.

But even the dolmens (according to recent discussions) are places to plan ambushes - not places to fight Oblivion-spawn.

Keron · April 2015

There is this option. It's called Cyrodiil and it provides exactly that: a perfect environment and concept to make that kind of PvP happen. And it has been improved, by and large, in the last year to actually almost provide that kind of PvP. As soon as the lag situation and the invulnerability exploits are resolved, we are as good as there.

But then there are those that say that we are not allowed to reach that goal because it would in some way diminish the fun for the PvE crowd. Having this kind of very nice PvP map somehow makes us be "elitist" and "entitlement generation" and " arrogant pricks".

So tell me again, @bloodenragedb14_ESO , who is the elitist?

DisgracefulMind · April 2015

I don't see a problem at all with there being PvE in Cyrodiil. It's fun to kill all the questers ;D

Keron · April 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I don't see a problem at all with there being PvE in Cyrodiil. It's fun to kill all the questers ;D

True as long as population is in a healthy proportion. If you have 10 PvEers for every single PvPer, it's unhealthy.

Jauriel · April 2015

Keron wrote: »

I changed my mind. Since you are so adamant that the pop indicators are correct, the only explanation left is that half to three quarters of the population playing on EP Azura EU is doing dolmens or ERPing in some far out corner. Get rid of them. Remove any and all PvE content from Cyrodiil that may interest a PvE player in coming to that map for any purpose other than PvP. Also, remove all Skill Points from alliance ranks and make all Alliance Warfare skills only work in Cyrodiil. Remove all Skyshards, Quests, Delves, Dolmens, Achievements, Stories, POIs or whatever has nothing to do with the purpose of this map (and that I hope is PvP).

Alternatively and preferrable from my point of view is kick and ban every player that does not attack an opposing faction player within 15 minutes. That would also get rid of those just idling in keeps for dee ticks.

Yes, I'm slightly miffed at the game right now, but this opinion stands irrespective of my mental state. Do something.

Amen. Thank you. Amen and thank you. Cyrodiil should have NO pve content! I mean come on ZOS at least try and see if it removes the performance issues. Add more and different bounties and objectives to encourage ALL players to pvp at all times. Add a siege destruction bounty. Let players earn soul gems or pots or food when they avenge teammates deaths. Let teams earn siege weapons rather than ap to discourage farming and encourage actual objective participation.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I do really think that this is kind of a problem with ESO.

PvPers are "forced" to PvE which they don't want, in order to get to the stuff they do.

PvEers go through a lovely and deailed series of quests - and their "reward" is something they don't like.

I wish for another .... option.

Is there a way to have exciting battle-y stuff that either combines or surpasses both of these choices? I admit, looking at the intro video, I never pictured a grind of repeatable "kill other PC" quests. I pictured working with folks from other races/cultures to fight a common enemy.

But even the dolmens (according to recent discussions) are places to plan ambushes - not places to fight Oblivion-spawn.

I can understand where your coming from, but working with folks to fight the common enemy happens in PvE, and there is plenty of opportunities to do so.

Cyrodill is a mainly PvP zone for the players who exclusively PvP, I am a hybrid player, I do both PvE and PvP, but imo, its a lot better testing your skills against real people than the AI of PvE style hostiles, PvP is dynamic, and its, again, imo, way more intense than fighting in PvE, either ganking, being in a bomb squad, or a full group, leading, co ordinating with others for your alliance, and a lot more.

And also, PvP was promoted along with the main game, so there was no secret regarding it.

DisgracefulMind · April 2015

Keron wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I don't see a problem at all with there being PvE in Cyrodiil. It's fun to kill all the questers ;D

True as long as population is in a healthy proportion. If you have 10 PvEers for every single PvPer, it's unhealthy.

Hmm I do agree with this point, but lately Thorn has been incredibly fun. Though I do wish it would increase in population.

pppontus · April 2015

I see tons and tons of EP pvping on Azura, however they are completely oblivious to everything that's going on and gets stuck fighting in a single spot while we take the entire map from them.. Seems every evening we push pop locked reds to the gate and then log off..

I don't think there's an excessive amount PVE:ing honestly, it's just the alliance doesn't seem to have a clue what to do to take and hold keeps and rather get farmed at arrius or by the bananas

Edit: to clarify most days is about 100+ reds & blue constantly pushing each other between arrius and Farragut. Meanwhile we can take a 4-12 man group and flip keep after keep and rush to defend if a few EP actually attack somewhere. I really doubt it's about numbers as much as it is about lack of organization, most people seem to just be roaming solo doing their own thing - that doesn't flip keeps.

Keron · April 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I don't know what the limits are on population.

I don't think that it's reasonable to call ignoring someone (or something) by turning your attention elsewhere "griefing". That dose not make sense to me.

I understand that there are serious imbalance problems in some of the AvAvA play - but I also understood that the map will reset itself after each campaign.

IF groups of folks were somehow magicically deliberately occuping major "population limits" in a particular faction in a particular campaign - then I think you would have a case. That does not seem to be what is happening. It's just not as many wanting to play "a certain way" as you would like. That does sound frustrating.

Your post does give the impression that you do not know Cyrodiil at all. Before getting into this discussion, I would like to ask you to play the tutorial on Cyrodiil and maybe take part in a full turn of the Non-Vet campaign.