Fear has some... issues...

RivenEsq · April 2015

First of all, I recognize the purpose and use of Fear in the game and I support its existence.

Second, this is more of an issue with how the mechanic functions rather than the ability itself and it has to do with bugs that seem to make it even more frustrating to play against.

In the past day, I've been feared through the map twice and gotten jumped to the Cyrodiil wayshrine. This is ridiculous. How many fights get lost because you feared a portion of their force all the way back to spawn (and no, it wasn't your skill)? This seriously needs to be fixed.

The other issue I face with Fear is that it CONSISTENTLY takes several seconds to stun break. I know it is intended to provide counterplay to the ability to block constantly, but I am a Sorcerer and only block when it is important (i.e. NOT all the time). I feel as though those who don't block are victimized worse than those that do. This feeling, however, would be far less oppressive if I could actually break the CC.

If I have full stamina, getting feared should not be a free pass for the enemy to beat the living *** out of me. If you get CC'd by fear, you should be able to break it immediately like every other CC, especially when it is unblockable.

As an aside, can you even dodgeroll this ability or is there not enough of an animation for that to even be feasible?

TL;DR (for those illiterate folks) Fear has been making people fall through the map and get ported to spawn. It is also consistently difficult to break immediately, even with full stamina and spamming stun break.

Panda244 · April 2015

Fear is the single most powerful ability in the entire game. At least Mass Hysteria is. Coming from a guy who's main is a Nightblade.

Mass Hysteria is a stun. A snare. A damage debuff. Forces up to three people to drop block. Causes them to fall through the map. Sometimes. And on the very rare occasions, it's completely unbreakable even with full stamina.

In short, it's utterly broken and unbalanced.

themdogesbite · April 2015

Woah woah woah, you simply dont mention NB skills on the forum, especially not the op ones. Thread will probably explode in 3...2...1...

Minack · April 2015

Fear is basically a more annoying and unbalanced Pistolwhip from Galaxies.

nothing2591 · April 2015

i play a nightblade using fear atleast every 5 seconds while fighting and you can break it 0.1 seconds after i cast it have seen this happen many times, and the falling through terrain is anoying as hell because thats 800 ap i never got.....

Domander · April 2015

Minack wrote: »

Fear is basically a more annoying and unbalanced Pistolwhip from Galaxies.

Dizzy Knockdown... /laugh I miss Galaxies

Domander · April 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

i play a nightblade using fear atleast every 5 seconds while fighting and you can break it 0.1 seconds after i cast it have seen this happen many times, and the falling through terrain is anoying as hell because thats 800 ap i never got.....

Yeah, I am usually able to break it. I'm not sure what issue the OP is running into with it.

Fatalyis · April 2015

I agree, Hardened Ward and Crystal Fragments are extremely OP....Sorcs definitely need nerfed

Cody · April 2015

interesting... I have yet to have trouble CC breaking it, and I get feared a lot.

and yes, people can get sent to the underworld when feared; I myself have done this a few times. Its annoying as heck and needs fixing.

#Argonianmasterrace

iseko · April 2015

Domander wrote: »

Minack wrote: »

Fear is basically a more annoying and unbalanced Pistolwhip from Galaxies.

Dizzy Knockdown... /laugh I miss Galaxies

The emulator is up and running.

OT: yea fear is pretty *** up. Repair please..

Bahalul · April 2015

I hope I'm the first to say nerf sorc shield here.

nothing2591 · April 2015

Bahalul wrote: »

I hope I'm the first to say nerf sorc shield here.

yeah, dont wanna have to use wrecking blow any more its getting boring, but only thing that will gurantee a sorc kill

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2015

Bahalul wrote: »

I hope I'm the first to say nerf sorc shield here.

No we all want sorc shielding nerfed but this is about how broken fear is from either always costing way to much stamina to break or falling through the map. ZoS really needs to look at some skills and re-work them.

Pixysticks · April 2015

Minack wrote: »

Fear is basically a more annoying and unbalanced Pistolwhip from Galaxies.

Wow, BH whip spam, I've never met anyone who remembers how much that rekt.

TheBucket · April 2015

I think Sorcs are a little over the top. Ball of Lightning is to good.

Fear is fine. Move along

Garion · April 2015

It's happened fairly regularly for me, as it happens. Not sure if it has to be coupled with another skill, but I find myself unable to break it until almost the end of the animation. Often this is enough time for me to get completely f***ed anyway.

Fear is most certainly OP, but it's entirely pointless having the discussion because as we all know NBs are experts of QQ and should anything happen to this skill the tears would flood this forum and drown the servers.

Emma_Overload · April 2015

The problem (for me) isn't that Fear exists, it's that nobody can do anything about it. This isn't even a PvP specific problem, so please don't call me a whiner, LOL, even though I am kinda whining. I'm not hating on Nightblades! There are also several mobs that have this ability, and it's almost impossible to deal with when there are more than one of them Fearing you, and they follow up each Fear with some kind of heavy damage attack.

Man, I really hate the whole concept of "overpowered", because it just leads to nerfs and more misery, but in this case... can we at least have some kind of COUNTER spell to immunize us from this effect for a short time? Maybe something in the Fighter's Guild skill line?

technohic · April 2015

Domander wrote: »

Minack wrote: »

Fear is basically a more annoying and unbalanced Pistolwhip from Galaxies.

Dizzy Knockdown... /laugh I miss Galaxies

Cept in those days, you could stack dizzy and knock down defense. I miss my pistoleer fencer tka.

Nivzruo_ESO · April 2015

Fatalyis wrote: »

I agree, Hardened Ward and Crystal Fragments are extremely OP....Sorcs definitely need nerfed

This sums up the thread.

technohic · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

interesting... I have yet to have trouble CC breaking it, and I get feared a lot.

and yes, people can get sent to the underworld when feared; I myself have done this a few times. Its annoying as heck and needs fixing.

#Argonianmasterrace

I think the CC break not working for a while is happening on a lot of different forms of CC. Still think it has to do with stacking root with CC where it wants you to break the root first but you can't because you are CCed.

OdinForge · April 2015

I've been making a real effort to play my NB without fear, and i have pretty good success. But i still find that i need fear when I'm fighting certain builds or classes like Sorc. I've been using other forms of CC in place of fear, with generally the same type of success in running my opponent out of stamina.

When i see a NB, I'm constantly anticipating fear and the instant cc break. I've also become very good at knowing when most NB will drop fear, and getting enough distance to avoid it.

themizario · April 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Fear is the single most powerful ability in the entire game. At least Mass Hysteria is. Coming from a guy who's main is a Nightblade.

Mass Hysteria is a stun. A snare. A damage debuff. Forces up to three people to drop block. Causes them to fall through the map. Sometimes. And on the very rare occasions, it's completely unbreakable even with full stamina.

In short, it's utterly broken and unbalanced.

All of the above I can deal with, but so many, so many times I get feared into walls, rocks and when there are none around. Feared below the entire map.

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Garion · April 2015

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Fatalyis wrote: »

I agree, Hardened Ward and Crystal Fragments are extremely OP....Sorcs definitely need nerfed

This sums up the thread.

Typical NB deflection... it only strengthens our argument, because if you didn't truly believe it was overpowered you'd offer counter arguments rather than trying to redirect the thread to sorcs.

TheBucket · April 2015

Garion wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Fatalyis wrote: »

I agree, Hardened Ward and Crystal Fragments are extremely OP....Sorcs definitely need nerfed

This sums up the thread.

Typical NB deflection... it only strengthens our argument, because if you didn't truly believe it was overpowered you'd offer counter arguments rather than trying to redirect the thread to sorcs.

It can be CC broke. I would trade fear for talons or BoL anyday.

Only thing wrong with Fear is the falling out of the map issue.

Varicite · April 2015

Garion wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Fatalyis wrote: »

I agree, Hardened Ward and Crystal Fragments are extremely OP....Sorcs definitely need nerfed

This sums up the thread.

Typical NB deflection... it only strengthens our argument, because if you didn't truly believe it was overpowered you'd offer counter arguments rather than trying to redirect the thread to sorcs.

Um, it's buggy, not overpowered.

Fearing people through the landscape is obviously not intended. I don't have any issues w/ breaking out of Fear and I definitely see people break my Fears immediately.

If it can't be broken, that's also obviously a bug.

Orchish · April 2015

Combined with wrecking blow and falling through the map every single time i am on a slight incline, it really has become my most feared ability to fight against.

Panda244 · April 2015

Orchish wrote: »

Combined with wrecking blow and falling through the map every single time i am on a slight incline, it really has become my most feared ability to fight against.

I don't quite mind the falling through the map, it prevents them from killing you. The ability needs one of it's components removed though, obviously not the fear part, so the snare, or the damage debuff need to go, and I'm more partial to the snare going, because it's laughable and useless, the damage debuff is one of the Nightblade's defense mechanisms and should stay. Still think that the whole change of Fear forcing you to drop block is utter *** because in that .5 seconds that block is dropped they can hit you with Incap Strike for 10k and Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon for 5-8k depending on spell damage and crit, then usually you CC break, and you can't heal because Incap strike puts the debuff on you. So the Impale/Killer's Blade spam murders you through block or damage shields.

olsborg · April 2015

The CC break delay also affect the templar reflective light (the grey orb around you) very annoying, you cant break it right away, and the cc break animation is so long.

Samadhi · April 2015

Have not had any issues with breaking out of Fear, so unable to relate to that.
Have had very occasional issues breaking the knockdown from Wrecking Blow, but usually just chalk that up to lag.

Have definitely been feared through the world though -- it saves me from death more frequently than it results in my death.
About to get swarmed by a large group of enemy forces, then get hit with Mass Hysteria and get ported back to my alliance base without giving them any AP.

TheBucket · April 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Combined with wrecking blow and falling through the map every single time i am on a slight incline, it really has become my most feared ability to fight against.

I don't quite mind the falling through the map, it prevents them from killing you. The ability needs one of it's components removed though, obviously not the fear part, so the snare, or the damage debuff need to go, and I'm more partial to the snare going, because it's laughable and useless, the damage debuff is one of the Nightblade's defense mechanisms and should stay. Still think that the whole change of Fear forcing you to drop block is utter *** because in that .5 seconds that block is dropped they can hit you with Incap Strike for 10k and Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon for 5-8k depending on spell damage and crit, then usually you CC break, and you can't heal because Incap strike puts the debuff on you. So the Impale/Killer's Blade spam murders you through block or damage shields.

Concealed Weapon will never hit for 8k.

Bashev · April 2015

I agree with OP that there are some bugs with fear. Sometimes when I am feared I cannot break it immediately. I guess it is a combination of skills. Probably another CC combined with fear.