Just because some people price it high, does not mean all people price it high.

Now, if all the prices in the guild stores are set this high, then either the Tri-Pot price will increase, or the Alchemists will just farm their own and the price will drop again.

This is a situation where the market will take care of itself. In time.

vovus69 wrote: »

I am seeing a lot of WTB spams in chat where people wants to buy them at 120g ea. They are doing this for half a year already, so obviously, someone is selling to them,

I think they are probably getting most of theirs 1 or 2 at a time, and not any stacks of significant size. A lot of people are not in a Guild or a guild with a Kiosk, so selling them this way is quick and easy for them.

Isavier wrote: »

Okay, peeps, no rant intended, i'll keep it simple for those who do not like maths.


Zeni doesn't care about alchemy either, so there is one way to stop this.

Why is this Zenimax's fault? Zenimax is not in the business to change simple economic theories. They are in the video game business. Plus, there is nothing Zenimax could do to directly affect this "problem" of yours. And before you say they could increase supply you must remember that it is solely up to the individual players to set the prices for these markets. If a player is willing the pay 200g for Columbine then that is the price. This is not the fault of Zenimax.

Rant all you want, but make sure to place blame appropriately.

c00lmon wrote: »

They could change it so we can have a gatherer. They we might not have to buy them as much and the prices would go down.

Just one example of a way that Zenimax can effect the costs.

Another would to make the flowers more plentiful and easier to see.

Some of the flowers are very hidden and are easily missed.

While true, consider this...

If they do this, supply increases. Great, less need to buy from the shops! Okay, so, the result? Flower prices on shops drop, but their supply in shops does not drop - it stays the same or relatively so. So, let's recap: supply is up, demand is exactly the same, price is down.

What do you think will happen to the price of the potions, then? The materials to make them are now cheaper and easier to find, so...the exact same thing that happened to the herbs.

The end result is that the prices of the potions will decrease to match the decrease in prices to the materials. There is a direct link between supply and price of materials and supply and price of the resulting potions. If one becomes cheaper and more plentiful, then so will the other. The profit margins for people selling the potions will actually decrease, because the profit zone between herb and potion prices will likely remain the same by percentage. With smaller numbers, this profit zone becomes numerically smaller.

And even though alchemists would have more potions to sell due to the influx of materials to make them, the demand for potions will not have changed at all, so an insufficient number of additional sales would be made.

Profit of alchemy would plummet into nothingness.

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There is no "fixing" this on Zenimax's end. It is not a mechanical issue. Demand is more or less static, only depending on average amount of content run by all players per time (which fluctuates mainly due to number of players online per time), so there's no changing that. Changing supply will only result in an equal price rise or fall of both materials and potions, so changing that won't fix a thing.

It is very much a player "issue". Players are willing to buy what they need at that price, so sellers will continue to sell at that price. Once players are not willing to buy what they need at that price, prices will fall. The only solution to this problem of materials costing nearly the same amount as their resulting items is to have players be less willing to buy the materials at their current price, thus driving the material price down, without the players changing their willingness to buy the potions at the current price.

In other words, the only way to "fix the issue" is to get a player-wide herb boycott going on. And this will never happen.

I wish i could buy columbine. I was at 10+ guildstores in the most popular places in AD faction, and got around 40 columbines. I didn't buy from a guy who sold them for 1k each but pretty much what els i could find

As someone noted then, supply and demand. A lot of demand, and a shortage of suppy, makes the price go up.

If you think the price is too high, go harvest those herbs and make a fortune !!

Tallowby wrote: »

The ability to learn crafts in this game is relatively simple, and as such many players learn the crafts themselves and not necessarily for trade but self use..

So when we look at the market... those players are not looking to buy crafted items, in this case potions, they are looking for raw materials to make their own for their personal use and/or for leveling.

So by far the economy of ESO is shifted from players buying crafted items back to the raw materials needed to make said crafted items.

Unless the developers increase the difficulty in learning the crafts I do not see this changing. Note the latest provisioning changes may be a step in the right direction but may fail to be enough to turn the tide either. We will need to see how the market responds.

ESO is a foragers market and they are benefiting well, crafters are relegated to niche markets.

Being a forager AND crafter yields the best return.....

I am looking forward to see how the new economy on consoles shapes up. With out all the addons crafting value may be in more demand.

Just remember that consoles will not effect the market on the servers for PC users as they will have their own servers.

I personally don't care about what the prices are on the flowers because I don't purchase anything from the guild traders because it's to much of a pain. I would be happy for more flowers so I can harvest what I need easier.

It takes a long time to farm up a stack of anything in this game. If I spend my day farming, I'd like to turn a significant profit for all of my time spent running around gathering supplies.

Instead of spending my time farming and supplying alchemists who sell the pots, I could be getting more champion points, loot and experience.

You are paying for someone else to do all of the leg work.

TheRealDoc wrote: »

How lazy are some people? I appreciate the argument of it's not fun to farm, but you can get all the alchemy ingredients for nothing more than some of your time. It's the easiest skill to farm and level.

Just go to Coldharbour city and run around in a circle for an hour and you'll have 50-100 of every flower type (some +speed gear helps a lot). If you spend some time running around the coldharbour woods, you'll find a good route and all the mushrooms you will ever need.

Water is even easier, go to your V10 zone and run along the streams and lake edges and rake it in.

At the same time, do your alchemy writs which will give you even more ingredients.

I only make potions for myself, because you make more money selling the ingredients, it's simple economics, if people would not pay, then I would not sell.

It's almost the same as provisioning, but food/drink has rare ingredients you can only get through hirelings and writs, limiting supply.

I happen to farm every single flower i get by, and i even get flowers from my friends - however the flowers that I need to make tripots and panacea of spell critical and panacea of spell power are always lacking. I need more to supply my friends and myself, we gather all we can and buy what we can - but it is not enough. I can't even buy potions anymore, because alchemists don't earn enough with the current prices - so they keep the potions for their own supply.

You mention crafting writs - they have been a complete waste of time for me, mainly I've been getting the flowers I already got stacks of, and not the ones that I need to make potions.

However, i really do agree that it is the easiest skill to level, it took me 20 minutes to go from lvl 13 to lvl 50 in alchemy.