Soft caps are something I'd like to see make a return.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Right now, playing a stamina build in 1.6 is just god awful, and frankly boring. I'm basically forced into going full Glass Cannon, and the slow methodical play of Dot builds as stamina simply don't work anymore. Anything that's not full on Burst Damage is probably going to flat out die as you will not be able to get through multiple shields. So i'm forced into this crap of basically either instant killing my target with bow, or doing the Wrecking Blow Dance till it connects....

It isn't fun....at all...They need to cut down on shields, and cut down on all the extreme burst moves so that PvP is actually something other then Instant Kill or Super Sorc Mode.

Not as easy as you make it out to be.

There are tanks out there in 1.6. Heavy armour tanks that can take a lot and I mean A LOT of punishment. They can easily withstand 4-5 people beating on them for a prolonged amount of time.

Currently a tank vs glass cannon fight is a +10m fight where the cannon cannot get past block and mitigation. If top-end damage is reduced and shields at the same time, the main beneficiary would be tanks and you'd be complaining about the super-tanks and how nobody dies in PvP cause they build supertanky. And how they can, by landing one good combo, wreck glass cannon builds, making them redundand.

In short, that's what happens when softcaps are removed. Everybody can build to the extreme, whether that's damage or survivability. It would need major balance rework which I don't think is going to happen at this stage

PS: For all the QQ about Sorc Shields survivability is much reduced in 1.6. I could put together kill streaks going from 100-200 in 1.5, playing solo. In 1.6 I hardly push past 50 because the moment you get focused if you don't have an obstacle to hide behind, you're dead in seconds due to burst. 11k Shields are nothing when each player hits you for 12-15k. I hear the same from all other high-level sorcs I speak to.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Right now, playing a stamina build in 1.6 is just god awful, and frankly boring. I'm basically forced into going full Glass Cannon, and the slow methodical play of Dot builds as stamina simply don't work anymore. Anything that's not full on Burst Damage is probably going to flat out die as you will not be able to get through multiple shields. So i'm forced into this crap of basically either instant killing my target with bow, or doing the Wrecking Blow Dance till it connects....

It isn't fun....at all...They need to cut down on shields, and cut down on all the extreme burst moves so that PvP is actually something other then Instant Kill or Super Sorc Mode.

Saw it was an xso topic and the sorc complaining did not disappoint. The general gist of this topic is that you feel every class in the game needs to be burst dps all because of sorc's shields? I just want to make sure I'm understanding you right.

Still waiting on your sorc videos.

If you don't like being a glass cannon, try heavy armor. It works a lot better than i expected.

Its still a wrecking blow dance, but its not a 'kill in 3 seconds or die in 3 seconds' scenario anymore.

What they need to do is nerf the "two-shot" nightblades builds that insta gib you off your horse 10times a day in transit lines. People get literally on top of the leaderboard spending 10hours a day killing free targets off their horses.

Boring life u're gonna say? Well, it's not because they decided to do it anyway that it should work that way.

Nightblades can literally spam ambush on a guy riding a horse at full speed and full stamina non stop just bouncing from one side of the map to the other teleporting on the back of the guy. Ridiculous.

Finally, I think that Wrecking Blow deals way too much damage through block. It was discussed already in another thread.

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frozywozy wrote: »

What they need to do is nerf the "two-shot" nightblades builds that insta gib you off your horse 10times a day in transit lines. People get literally on top of the leaderboard spending 10hours a day killing free targets off their horses.

Boring life u're gonna say? Well, it's not because they decided to do it anyway that it should work that way.

Nightblades can literally spam ambush on a guy riding a horse at full speed and full stamina non stop just bouncing from one side of the map to the other teleporting on the back of the guy. Ridiculous.

Finally, I think that Wrecking Blow deals way too much damage through block. It was discussed already in another thread.

*** nightblades

That is my PvP Mantra every day. I'm tempted to spend my fortune buying detection pots and passing them out like candy just to spite them all.

frozywozy wrote: »

What they need to do is nerf the "two-shot" nightblades builds that insta gib you off your horse 10times a day in transit lines. People get literally on top of the leaderboard spending 10hours a day killing free targets off their horses.

Boring life u're gonna say? Well, it's not because they decided to do it anyway that it should work that way.

Nightblades can literally spam ambush on a guy riding a horse at full speed and full stamina non stop just bouncing from one side of the map to the other teleporting on the back of the guy. Ridiculous.

Finally, I think that Wrecking Blow deals way too much damage through block. It was discussed already in another thread.

Not gonna lie, I hate this style of gameplay.

Shieldstacking should go away, yes, dont nerf single shields, that would be stupid without buffing light armor considerably.

Dodge, or should I say chain dodge with Vigor spam, you cant kill them as a sorc cause Curse and AoE alone wont burst them enough. Boring? I dunno, but its rather annoying, yes.

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Lionxoft wrote: »

Soft caps are something I'd like to see make a return.

B-but I love my 3k stam reg

If you don't like being a glass canon, Stamina is indeed boring since you barely break through shields, even with 3.2k weapon dmg..
To be honest, they probably feel the same, since Stamina builds relay on did, but there are many skills ignoring dodge.
Why isn't there any skill which ignores shields? Dots as example?
Of course everyone needs his defense, but it's just so boring..

You hit a Magicka player down:
Shield, Shield, Shield, Heal.
Healing ward alone is able to shield against an execute.. gg.

You hit Stamina player down:
Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge while spamming heals.
Well you can't dodge cheesus beam, curse, lightning or Resto heavy attacks, Concealed weapon, teleport Strike, whip, jabs, Soul Assult and some other skills.
Anyway it's still annoying.

Shield Stacking and Dodge should get changes, but it shouldn't break the "balance".
If you take away dodge, Stamina builds will probably disappear since it's the only possible defense (a bit more cost won't change anything)
Take away shields and you see dying Sorcs, DKs and Templars everywhere (since NB has no Shield..)
Cost increase won't help in my opinion.

And since zos doesn't care..
We will deal with this boring *** the next months.

u can dodge jabs.

Since shields are not able to being crit you won't lose your Shield in a single hit, at least not if it's 12k.

I got a lot of dmg

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Soulac wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Soft caps are something I'd like to see make a return.

B-but I love my 3k stam reg

If you don't like being a glass canon, Stamina is indeed boring since you barely break through shields, even with 3.2k weapon dmg..
To be honest, they probably feel the same, since Stamina builds relay on did, but there are many skills ignoring dodge.
Why isn't there any skill which ignores shields? Dots as example?
Of course everyone needs his defense, but it's just so boring..

You hit a Magicka player down:
Shield, Shield, Shield, Heal.
Healing ward alone is able to shield against an execute.. gg.

You hit Stamina player down:
Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge while spamming heals.
Well you can't dodge cheesus beam, curse, lightning or Resto heavy attacks, Concealed weapon, teleport Strike, whip, jabs, Soul Assult and some other skills.
Anyway it's still annoying.

Shield Stacking and Dodge should get changes, but it shouldn't break the "balance".
If you take away dodge, Stamina builds will probably disappear since it's the only possible defense (a bit more cost won't change anything)
Take away shields and you see dying Sorcs, DKs and Templars everywhere (since NB has no Shield..)
Cost increase won't help in my opinion.

And since zos doesn't care..
We will deal with this boring *** the next months.

u can dodge jabs.

If you dodge out of range, yes.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Right now, playing a stamina build in 1.6 is just god awful, and frankly boring. I'm basically forced into going full Glass Cannon, and the slow methodical play of Dot builds as stamina simply don't work anymore. Anything that's not full on Burst Damage is probably going to flat out die as you will not be able to get through multiple shields. So i'm forced into this crap of basically either instant killing my target with bow, or doing the Wrecking Blow Dance till it connects....

It isn't fun....at all...They need to cut down on shields, and cut down on all the extreme burst moves so that PvP is actually something other then Instant Kill or Super Sorc Mode.

Before i feel like all play styles had their roles and advantages in different parts of the map. Zerg diving, ganking, large groups, small groups, open fields, keeps, bridges, mile gates, resource towers etc. Now every where you go its the same thing.

This is not about shield stacking though...Shield Stacking is a problem yes...and is related to the issue...But right now this game has become Burst or Nothing.

They really need to come in, nerf a lot of these heavy damage attacks to be a lot more reasonable...but when they do this they have to address shields a bit better as well.

I'm saying its stupid that if you get hit by fossilize for example I can two shot you with Wrecking Blow.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This is not about shield stacking though...Shield Stacking is a problem yes...and is related to the issue...But right now this game has become Burst or Nothing.

They really need to come in, nerf a lot of these heavy damage attacks to be a lot more reasonable...but when they do this they have to address shields a bit better as well.

I'm saying its stupid that if you get hit by fossilize for example I can two shot you with Wrecking Blow.

This is where I'm frustrated right now as well, playing stamina I have to be relatively glassy to be effective. It's a shame that shields don't work the same as player health. That alone IMO would help alleviate a lot of the problems without having to go into balancing skill damage.

My main problem with 1.6.5.

Use a magicka built and you're dmg is fluff, while you also have to chew through nirnhoned, reflect and Harness Magicka. You cant go full fire power either, need to spec extra stamina, health and use heavy, to prevent exploding, to break cc every 10 sec and dodge red circles. If you want to kill anything, go play the master of sieges (or sorcerer).

So you use a stamina build, because only class shields to break down. Better dmg, real burst and endless dodge roll against the rain of siege. But stamina builds still only have like 0 skills to choose from, if lucky with class morphs maybe 1-2 and no decent self-heal until rank 24.

Finding it really hard to make fun builds right now