Chillrend Memo

xylena · April 2015

the other night, aleswell and dragonclaw were both yellow, so where does DC attack? red chalman, of course

RivenEsq · April 2015

Galalin wrote: »

There is no willingness to because of the reasons i stated.... also it has already been done in this game where alot AD re-rolled EP

I think you may be surprised but at the same who knows i may be wrong

DK SCRUB OUT

At least re-rolling involves some level of commitment to that faction if they want to level and stay there (we're talking days of game time). If you introduce "paid faction transfers" guilds will literally get paid to move factions or they will take the easy way out rather than fight to improve their faction.

The reason EP has so many players is that they jumped ship and re-rolled with fully maxed AD characters already on their account because they saw AD as a sinking ship. If they introduced a simple transaction to transfer factions, you'd be making jumping ship to the "greener pastures" even easier. Definitely not what this game needs.

I've seen it countless times. Players will go where they can win or where they can get paid the most for their services. You end up with either paid mercenary guilds that will just as soon leave your faction for the next highest bidder and guilds that will pay to leave the second something doesn't go their way. This would be exacerbated if everyone was on an individual server rather than having access to any campaign for a given faction, but the point still stands that players will not balance themselves in the way you would like. They will take the system and abuse it because it means they can farm AP easier and get better campaign rewards, not go to the "underpopulated faction to make them legitimate".

IxSTALKERxI · April 2015

I honestly don't see the point in changing factions to be on the winning side. You get a few thousand coins for winning the campaign and that's it. Being on the winning team doesn't make you a better player. You can get just as many kills/ AP on the losing faction.

RivenEsq · April 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I honestly don't see the point in changing factions to be on the winning side. You get a few thousand coins for winning the campaign and that's it. Being on the winning team doesn't make you a better player. You can get just as many kills/ AP on the losing faction.

Some people may share your sentiments, but the reality exists that many do not and do value winning so they can talk trash to the other factions like they accomplished something.

Look at any large scale PvP game where there were transfers between servers/factions and I'll show you a game where PvP players bandwagoned consistently to top servers and factions in order to win. As I mentioned, this is more prevalent in games where it is more servers that play each other rather than 3 factions, but it would still happen here. No one is going to come on this forum and admit that they would bandwagon, but it would still happen.

Guilds will expect someone else to leave the server in order to "balance" things. You really think that a guild can convince their whole member base to leave a faction and PAY real money to move to another one, especially if they are on the winning faction? It is an easier sell if they are on the weaker faction, which is the opposite of the purpose of having transfers. Moreover, as I just addressed, a guild is more likely to move to the more successful faction than they are to move to a lower populated one because they feel as though they shouldn't be "inconvenienced" with a move because of the fault of others. Guilds that moved to a different alliance where they are overpopulated will feel as though they already moved once and don't want to deal with it again. All in all, we're talking about a system where everything would point towards a single faction gaining more players than the other both because other factions' players are more likely to move because they are outnumbered and losing and the winning faction's players are more likely to stay since they are winning.

Not many people can come here and honestly say they would transfer off their faction to balance PvP numbers and certainly that number would not be high enough to even come close to balancing things.

bellanca6561n · April 2015

Tintinabula wrote: »

DANGER! Will Robinson DANGER!!!

This is hilarious. The first actually massively multiplayer online game with graphics - Air Warrior - had three countries perpetually at war. They were imaginatively named, A-Land, B-Land and C-Land. A-Land was blue, B-Land red, C-Land was green.

And guess what? Over its 15 year run people would insist - HONESTLY BELIEVE - that each country attracted a certain personality type. Yep, cultural stereotypes inspired by letters of the alphabet.

And when the Musketeers - or maybe it was DFA (Death from Above) - attributed bestiality to C-Landers, claiming to have bombed a sheep brothel, that theme entered the game too. They responded with battle cries of "Baaaaaa!" The developers responded with sheep pin up calendars - yes, sheep in lingerie - in OCs and briefing rooms, and the occasional landscape sheep that would claim, "Meee.....soooo....horrrrney" and a few other choice phrases.

It continues to astonish me how people read all sorts of things into their opponents' factions, as if these were actually separate cultures.

Getting back to the point, uh....I'm Pact, I stumbled into Chillrend with some guildies simply by chance. And we were pretty outnumbered at the time. We were not at all connected to any scene, guild wise or politically. And now I read this and howl with laughter.

Deja vu my friends. And can the charges of unnatural sexual acts be far behind? I still have my loose boots left over from AW.

Psilent · April 2015

woodsro wrote: »

The bottom line is this:

This game encourages zerging, it promotes it. Ttk is insanely fast which results in folks staying close to their group so they don't play horse simulator.

Not like any of this matters anyways. I haven't sat in a que for more then 5 minutes for months. It will show DC pop locked, yet no que. You get in, only to find every keep battle is EP outnumbering 3 to 1 on a good night. Even AD gets steamrolled by this stupid pop problem they refuse to address.

They really need to get rid of travel to player in cyrodiil. They also need to address the pop problems. Everyone complains about the lag, but id rather they fix the pop problems first.

Brian Wheeler put out a graph, DC is stupidly outnumbered, yet no one wants to reroll. I see tons of new EP players every week, even AD is gaining numbers, DC is still the same pretty much, outnumbered worse now then we were before b2p.

ZOS needs to put some incentive such as faster champ point gain, more champ XP, and more AP gains for the low pop alliance, give folks an incentive to come to the lower pop faction. As it stands right now, EP can go on any server they choose and zerg it over with superior numbers. Their is probably 3 EP for every one DC and 2 EP for every one AD, no one can match the zerg sizes EP can muster.

I just laughed earlier tonight after losing a keep to 70 ep, I counted heads, AD then came in with 45 and tried to backdoor them and got promptly wiped.

God forbid no one on EP will roll AD or really DC and help balance things out, can't leave the safety of winning zerg right? It would be the end of the world to play with out a stupidly ridiclious pop advantage.

Please understand, I'm not calling anyone out. I'm expressing a lot of frustration on the DC side, EP was never outnumbered the way DC is now, and AD could use a few people too. Everything is way too lopsided right now.
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Sorry dude, but I took a few days off from PvP on my EP due to being zerged by AD and DC all the time. I've whispered several people some times venting my frustration with being outnumbered consistently by DC or AD.

This population imbalance everyone complains about doesn't exist.

Atirez · April 2015

Galalin wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Thread should be named we suck so lets zerg them.... yup typical AD right there. Why not work on communication and tactics??? Nope to hard lets just zerg thier asses

Yes, because you never gather allies to fight a larger army in RL either.

Your absolutely right!!!! But wrong at the same time.....

Allies yes.... enimies not so much

I would have loved to see H itler ask Roosevelt for help attacking the Brits... just sayin

DK SCRUB OUT

Say what?

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2015

Psilent wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

The bottom line is this:

This game encourages zerging, it promotes it. Ttk is insanely fast which results in folks staying close to their group so they don't play horse simulator.

Not like any of this matters anyways. I haven't sat in a que for more then 5 minutes for months. It will show DC pop locked, yet no que. You get in, only to find every keep battle is EP outnumbering 3 to 1 on a good night. Even AD gets steamrolled by this stupid pop problem they refuse to address.

They really need to get rid of travel to player in cyrodiil. They also need to address the pop problems. Everyone complains about the lag, but id rather they fix the pop problems first.

Brian Wheeler put out a graph, DC is stupidly outnumbered, yet no one wants to reroll. I see tons of new EP players every week, even AD is gaining numbers, DC is still the same pretty much, outnumbered worse now then we were before b2p.

ZOS needs to put some incentive such as faster champ point gain, more champ XP, and more AP gains for the low pop alliance, give folks an incentive to come to the lower pop faction. As it stands right now, EP can go on any server they choose and zerg it over with superior numbers. Their is probably 3 EP for every one DC and 2 EP for every one AD, no one can match the zerg sizes EP can muster.

I just laughed earlier tonight after losing a keep to 70 ep, I counted heads, AD then came in with 45 and tried to backdoor them and got promptly wiped.

God forbid no one on EP will roll AD or really DC and help balance things out, can't leave the safety of winning zerg right? It would be the end of the world to play with out a stupidly ridiclious pop advantage.

Please understand, I'm not calling anyone out. I'm expressing a lot of frustration on the DC side, EP was never outnumbered the way DC is now, and AD could use a few people too. Everything is way too lopsided right now.
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Sorry dude, but I took a few days off from PvP on my EP due to being zerged by AD and DC all the time. I've whispered several people some times venting my frustration with being outnumbered consistently by DC or AD.

This population imbalance everyone complains about doesn't exist.

Brian Wheeler put up a graph showing pop and such not to long ago and EP is clearly ahead pop wise, its not even a contest.

The fact EP is always stuck with ques, and I haven't waited in a que for DC on any server in months. My longest wait was on chillrend last week that lasted 3 whole minutes.

You want to truly experience being zerged? Come on over to DC side, experience the zerg first hand, it wont be very long I assure you.

Ghostbane · April 2015

"DEY SEE ME TROLLIN. DEY POSTIN"
- OP

Manoekin · April 2015

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

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golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

Some people may share your sentiments, but the reality exists that many do not and do value winning so they can talk trash to the other factions like they accomplished something.

Lol @ when people teabag and taunt my corpse after killing me with an entire zerg.

maryriv · April 2015

ishilpatelb14_ESO wrote: »

DC and AD need to get on the same page. We need to focus EP more, IR is there and they are the best guild and if we don't work together they will kick our asses like they usually do. There is no reason for DC and AD to fight each other, we both have the same goal and that is to make sure EP never wins and never owns anything because they are EP.

You didn't get the memo apparently, AD and EP are the same toons and the same guilds, they trade emp back and forth for their guilds.

Draxys · April 2015

Tintinabula wrote: »

First of ALL..Ep was lowest pop til only a few months back. I certainly didn't ask AD guilds to roll EP..but they did.its their prerogative. Not my fault an entire alliance hinged on whether or not that guild played for them.

lllaaawwwllllll

JTorus · April 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

I can't... it's a terrible haircut and I have no idea why anyone would want it.

Joy_Division · April 2015

woodsro wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

The bottom line is this:

This game encourages zerging, it promotes it. Ttk is insanely fast which results in folks staying close to their group so they don't play horse simulator.

Not like any of this matters anyways. I haven't sat in a que for more then 5 minutes for months. It will show DC pop locked, yet no que. You get in, only to find every keep battle is EP outnumbering 3 to 1 on a good night. Even AD gets steamrolled by this stupid pop problem they refuse to address.

They really need to get rid of travel to player in cyrodiil. They also need to address the pop problems. Everyone complains about the lag, but id rather they fix the pop problems first.

Brian Wheeler put out a graph, DC is stupidly outnumbered, yet no one wants to reroll. I see tons of new EP players every week, even AD is gaining numbers, DC is still the same pretty much, outnumbered worse now then we were before b2p.

ZOS needs to put some incentive such as faster champ point gain, more champ XP, and more AP gains for the low pop alliance, give folks an incentive to come to the lower pop faction. As it stands right now, EP can go on any server they choose and zerg it over with superior numbers. Their is probably 3 EP for every one DC and 2 EP for every one AD, no one can match the zerg sizes EP can muster.

I just laughed earlier tonight after losing a keep to 70 ep, I counted heads, AD then came in with 45 and tried to backdoor them and got promptly wiped.

God forbid no one on EP will roll AD or really DC and help balance things out, can't leave the safety of winning zerg right? It would be the end of the world to play with out a stupidly ridiclious pop advantage.

Please understand, I'm not calling anyone out. I'm expressing a lot of frustration on the DC side, EP was never outnumbered the way DC is now, and AD could use a few people too. Everything is way too lopsided right now.
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Sorry dude, but I took a few days off from PvP on my EP due to being zerged by AD and DC all the time. I've whispered several people some times venting my frustration with being outnumbered consistently by DC or AD.

This population imbalance everyone complains about doesn't exist.

Brian Wheeler put up a graph showing pop and such not to long ago and EP is clearly ahead pop wise, its not even a contest.

The fact EP is always stuck with ques, and I haven't waited in a que for DC on any server in months. My longest wait was on chillrend last week that lasted 3 whole minutes.

You want to truly experience being zerged? Come on over to DC side, experience the zerg first hand, it wont be very long I assure you.

I played a Red, a Yellow, and a Blue. I will agree that there are overall less Blues than Reds and Yellows. But, because there is a population cap is doesn't matter if you are a blue in a queue of 5 or a Red in a queue for 140 (which I have been in), the numbers in Cyrodiil during prime time are going to be about the same.

I have found that Blue is the most disorganized faction. I don't know if this is because some of the old prominent guilds like No Mercy aren't around any more or because some of the Red guilds actually kind of respect each other and don't mind working together, but something is going on. The zone chats in Blue have noticeably more cases of bickering, arguing, and denigrating / making fun of certain players. For a long time I have felt that player for player, Blue had the most individual talent; maybe being on the defensive has forced them to play better just to compete. But I think the root of Blue's frustrations is less about numbers and more about organization.

Of course, there is little than can be done about nightcapping, but that is a different matter. While it maybe a bummer that you'll get less campaign rewards and be robbed of faction pride, nightcapping should not affect your play experience during prime time when all the factions are locked.

cozmon3c_ESO · April 2015

Red is full of no skill zergs that over power you with numbers and lag, Blue has better skilled players then red that give you a run for your money. Yellow is full of night blade snipe monkeys, i see them everywhere, more then what i fight from the other 2 factions combined.

Winnamine · April 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

I remember the days of AD complaining about their 100+ person queue.

Winnamine · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

I remember the days of AD complaining about their 100+ person queue.

And we hated you for your tiny queues!

Well, I mean, I didn't, but I was playing DC during that time, so I never had a queue

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

I remember the days of AD complaining about their 100+ person queue.

And we hated you for your tiny queues!

Well, I mean, I didn't, but I was playing DC during that time, so I never had a queue

The first time we came to Thorn, it was only 2 bars of EP during prime time and flooding Chillrend instead. They were a mess.

ishilb14_ESO · April 2015

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Winnamine · April 2015

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Manoekin · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

I remember the days of AD complaining about their 100+ person queue.

I feel like no one saw that AD had a queue at only 3 bars. Like we literally had less people than the other factions but ZOS told us no more could enter.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Are we talking about population imbalance here?

Explain THIS:

Now I know why all the EP hate us.

Just lookit that 4 person queue......

I remember the days of AD complaining about their 100+ person queue.

I feel like no one saw that AD had a queue at only 3 bars. Like we literally had less people than the other factions but ZOS told us no more could enter.

Sorry, I was just responding to Winnie.

The picture is silly, but at this point, I almost just shrug off bugs and errors. ZOS has beaten me down that much, it seems.

It reminds me of my Shadowbane days -- "Oh, look, an LoD team is glitching up our city's walls and onto the other side again." "Wanna report them?" "why bother? let's just kill them and be done with it."

Jauriel · April 2015

Tintinabula wrote: »

First of ALL..Ep was lowest pop til only a few months back. I certainly didn't ask AD guilds to roll EP..but they did.its their prerogative. Not my fault an entire alliance hinged on whether or not that guild played for them.

Oh please!!! His entire point went right over your head. That was amazing. He is pointing out accurately that ep wins because they outnumber the enemy and you come back with some ridiculous claim that one guild has done all the legwork? Hahahahaha

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Red is full of no skill zergs that over power you with numbers and lag, Blue has better skilled players then red that give you a run for your money. Yellow is full of night blade snipe monkeys, i see them everywhere, more then what i fight from the other 2 factions combined.

From my experience AD are the massive zergers...

Off topic, I was pleasantly surprised when like nine of the ten DC people I ran into left me alone while I quested in their territory.

Zhoyzu · April 2015

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

It's because IR is on EP, they just wipe us so much and a lot of people are salty about getting tower farmed by them. All the more reason to rip EP, they are like sorcs, not allowed to do anything but sit there and die.

then leave the tower.... OMFG LOGIC OP PLZ NERF

Tintinabula · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

First of ALL..Ep was lowest pop til only a few months back. I certainly didn't ask AD guilds to roll EP..but they did.its their prerogative. Not my fault an entire alliance hinged on whether or not that guild played for them.

Oh please!!! His entire point went right over your head. That was amazing. He is pointing out accurately that ep wins because they outnumber the enemy and you come back with some ridiculous claim that one guild has done all the legwork? Hahahahaha

we won wabbajack cause we outnumbered AD??...LMAO sorry but no..just lel

cozmon3c_ESO · April 2015

Tintinabula wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

First of ALL..Ep was lowest pop til only a few months back. I certainly didn't ask AD guilds to roll EP..but they did.its their prerogative. Not my fault an entire alliance hinged on whether or not that guild played for them.

Oh please!!! His entire point went right over your head. That was amazing. He is pointing out accurately that ep wins because they outnumber the enemy and you come back with some ridiculous claim that one guild has done all the legwork? Hahahahaha

we won wabbajack cause we outnumbered AD??...LMAO sorry but no..just lel

you won because no one wanted to play against your dk emperor bat/standard spammers anymore.

Anazasi · April 2015

"The Enemy of my Enemy Is my friend."

This is always a nice place to start but in fact AD hates DC on chil as much as they hate EP. Can't help it but DC would zerg ball the few AD guilds constantly before 1.6 and I don't think AD has forgotten. Yes AD probably hates EP more but lets face it after almost 8 months of AD getting banged on most of the campaigns by both DC and EP (Purple Alliance) It would be safe to say we hate everyone.