This game is rated E not M

LucyferLightbringer · April 2015

"battles are highlighted by cries of pain, impact sounds, and blood splashes."

Woot what blood splashes? Do i have something set wrong in my settings? I have no blood, i would love to see blood splashes! Go darker ZOS, game is allready M rated you got nothing to lose.

Earthwardzilvox_ESO · April 2015

Well there's also the torture scenes, but hey. I wouldn't mind a more mature game, but less boobage in armor is certainly appreciated. Part of maturity is knowing when things are appropriate. showing skin is not for the enemy.

Gidorick · April 2015

The ESRB doesn't actually PLAY the games they rate. Each company submits the paperwork and videos to the ESRB that pretty much asks things like.

"Can you kill people?"
"Is there sexual conduct?"
"Is there drug use?"

and the developer has to provide examples of the most extreme cases of these factors.

ESO, because the story, setting, and characters are more fleshed out than teen rated games, was given an M rated game. Not for its gore or sexual content, but for the overall content in the game. I think the M rating is fine... but it's a very soft M.

Personally, I would like to see the M go harder.

Heck... ZOS should sell a "Brutal Combat" pack in the crown store for 1000 crowns and have things like more blood and brutal finishers in THAT pack. Run it all client side so those that don't have the pack can't see the blood. I'd totally buy that!

If you want to read up on the process: http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_process.jsp

Faugaun · April 2015

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

It's a false esrb rating, there is no blood, and no explicit content, it doesn't get any simpler.

@Craven_Killmore this screenshot is from last week. Looks pretty gory to me.

http://asolutionaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Bloody-Dress-Kill.png

ThisOnePosts · April 2015

The game being rated 'M' does leave it open to a lot of different changes, add-ons, etc... by ZOS. I'm glad it's rated M and no it's not for the most obvious reasons but after going through this game many times, I can see why it is.

Also, the overall theme of this game is more "mature" than that of let's say "WoW" or "GW2". It's one thing I really love about this game.

dramsb14_ESO · April 2015

I respectfully disagree, should be rated B for Beta.

Ashigaru · April 2015

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Almost everything in the game is so, sooo E rating, minus the odd swear word.

After spending some time digging around on the ptr forums, I was shocked to uncover just how many E rating makeovers zos has done over the year.

We have clothing cleavage removal, we have no blood or extremely miniscule amounts when we are slashing gigantic 2handed weapons at our enemies, and there is also no story or lore directed at sexual or explicit content throughout the game, zero, none. Why give it a M rating? did the esrb say yep, that's M for sure ? I find it hard to believe, not even a side boob.

Currently vr4 myself and at no point in the game have I ever once thought, wow that's M rated for sure check out that gore or boobs, I hate to say this games name but Tera is a real M rated game.

M doesn't just stand for violence, it includes explicit content or sexual themes which this game has none of.

What is everyone's opinion, do you guys think I am wrong?

Thanks for reading.

Sexual content? Did you forget the quests that have gay couples in them.

Gidorick · April 2015

Ashigaru wrote: »

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Almost everything in the game is so, sooo E rating, minus the odd swear word.

After spending some time digging around on the ptr forums, I was shocked to uncover just how many E rating makeovers zos has done over the year.

We have clothing cleavage removal, we have no blood or extremely miniscule amounts when we are slashing gigantic 2handed weapons at our enemies, and there is also no story or lore directed at sexual or explicit content throughout the game, zero, none. Why give it a M rating? did the esrb say yep, that's M for sure ? I find it hard to believe, not even a side boob.

Currently vr4 myself and at no point in the game have I ever once thought, wow that's M rated for sure check out that gore or boobs, I hate to say this games name but Tera is a real M rated game.

M doesn't just stand for violence, it includes explicit content or sexual themes which this game has none of.

What is everyone's opinion, do you guys think I am wrong?

Thanks for reading.

Sexual content? Did you forget the quests that have gay couples in them.

being gay doesn't equate to sexual content. That would be like saying the game involves eating because you see NPCs that are fat.

jkemmery · April 2015

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

I don't think the game is mature one bit, and I'm sorry some of you do.

I think the thing to remember is that everyone has a different opinion of what is and isn't acceptable for children. The ESRB has to base it's levels off of the most conservative threshold. It's far safer to make a relatively tame game like this "Mature" and have people complain it's not mature enough, than to rate it E then get sued because someone with very strict values thinks the game is "corrupting" their 12 year old.

Danikat · April 2015

Trevize2888 wrote: »

Isn't there an element of an M rating through the fact that it's an MMO and you never know how other players are going to react or what they might say?

If it was E and a kid played it with some pugs on a dungeon and let's say one of them got angry and started throwing language around (I don't know if the chat has a screen I've never felt the need to test it) but still the actions and words of certain players could be considered M.

I don't know about ESRB but PEGI seem to cover this by requiring a disclaimer that the game is played entirely/partially online and involves interaction with other players which isn't covered by the rating, rather than attempting to predict and rate all the possible conversations.

Although some developers, mainly those making games for young children (by which I mean things like Club Penguin and Moshi Monsters) do go to greater lengths to try and restrict and regulate player interactions. I think that's a relatively new thing though, some of the most "adult" online conversation I've seen were back when I used to play Neopets.

Faugaun · April 2015

Or the prostitutes with a john strapped into a bdsm machine in the basement of an inn that tell you to come back later they are busy and to come back later.. Or the rp'ers that creatively use /playdead and /pushup in combo on tables with all armor unequipped? What about the blatant racism?

Psychobunni · April 2015

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Almost everything in the game is so, sooo E rating, minus the odd swear word.

After spending some time digging around on the ptr forums, I was shocked to uncover just how many E rating makeovers zos has done over the year.

We have clothing cleavage removal, we have no blood or extremely miniscule amounts when we are slashing gigantic 2handed weapons at our enemies, and there is also no story or lore directed at sexual or explicit content throughout the game, zero, none. Why give it a M rating? did the esrb say yep, that's M for sure ? I find it hard to believe, not even a side boob.

Currently vr4 myself and at no point in the game have I ever once thought, wow that's M rated for sure check out that gore or boobs, I hate to say this games name but Tera is a real M rated game.

M doesn't just stand for violence, it includes explicit content or sexual themes which this game has none of.

What is everyone's opinion, do you guys think I am wrong?

Thanks for reading.

I say that I'm a female. I love that ESO doesn't need pixel bewbs or even feel that it needs to objectify women to sell their game.

That stuff is free now, on the internet, and from safe sites that even make front page of CNN news....there is no reason for ESO to need to lower their standards to attract teenage boys.

As for the storyline, I prefer the "implied" so to speak....tells a better story than the blatant.

Zershar_Vemod · April 2015

Lol I remember getting a warning from the mods here because I posted a vid from Skyrim as was told it was too graphic/violent, etc., or something like that.....

I agree with the 100% .The most "gore" this game has is Vamp / WW bites.

nerevarine1138 · April 2015

Every time I see these threads, it seems like my definition of "mature" is radically different from the rest of the population...

Pheefs · April 2015

Changing the armors to add some more modest clothing options for ladies?
Yes, thank you!

& I wouldn't mind if we had a bit more with the graphic violence and gore, especially on the Daggerfall track...

but I agree with what others have said here, the M is more for the story elements than gameplay.
no real boobies physics, thank the Eight!
but there are some delightfully dark turns in the stories, babies sold to demons, prisoners sacrificed on altars, not to mention your own murdered self & that pesky lack of a soul.

its an elder scrolls game, they are funny first and twisted second!

Hurbster · April 2015

Huh, good job they didn't spend more than a couple of mins in general chat - R rating for sure.

And that female Dunmer in charge of Fort Arand ? Such language !!

Sue_D_Nim · April 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

But you mention the graphics portion, I agree with you completely. I really hate how games stay so serious in the graphics department, like its an ancient times game so have to make nothing but ancient armor. Games that are less serious and more fun, like a people running around in suits james bond style or like hookers adds fun into the game. Nothing but ancient armor wearing people is a lil serious. Like it should be the focus, but you should have a little troll type armors.

No.

Acrolas · April 2015

Rating are, in part, a way to prevent complaints. If the game were T, you could have a parent complaining about her son brewing alcohol because it's good for him, or how her daughter was told in chat to go *** a *** on her father's ***.

With an M rating, nobody can really take a holier-than-thou moral stance about any part of the content being unsuitable and force a retailer to stop carrying the game. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just saying the M rating keeps those overly sensitive people tucked quietly in the woodwork never to be heard from.

driosketch · April 2015

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

"battles are highlighted by cries of pain, impact sounds, and blood splashes."

Woot what blood splashes? Do i have something set wrong in my settings? I have no blood, i would love to see blood splashes! Go darker ZOS, game is allready M rated you got nothing to lose.

You might. Running on max setting myself, not sure which one you'd need to adjust. You might just have missed it. Go and swing a sword at some enemy NPC and see.

Jice · April 2015

Pheefs wrote: »

Changing the armors to add some more modest clothing options for ladies?
Yes, thank you!!

Except what they did was the remove the only un-modest option for female characters who wanted to show cleavage in heavy armor. Almost every other option was the modest option, now they're all the modest option.

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And all this modesty is annoying me. I have beautiful spots and fur as a male Khajiit, and ZoS artists seem to think I want to cover all of it and my pretty face so that the only thing that separates me and someone else wearing the same thing is 'tail or no tail'

What's the point of all the character customization if the only thing that damn well matters is height and proportions? Sure you can have chest tattoos..that no one will ever see cause if you're VR14 there's not a single style that revealing enough to even show them.

I had the same problem with Skyrim, the coolest looking chest piece was the weakest, apprently in the Elderscrolls universe, getting more skilled, means just showing less skin/scales/fur.

ZeroInspiration · April 2015

Elder Scroll games are mild, why were some of you expecting any different? Hell, Oblivion had a T rating before the nude textures where discovered. I don't see why some people need to have extreme violence and nudity in games to enjoy them. Sure it is fun, but not all games need to be like that.

TheShadowScout · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Heck... ZOS should sell a "Brutal Combat" pack in the crown store for 1000 crowns and have things like more blood and brutal finishers in THAT pack. Run it all client side so those that don't have the pack cant see the blood. I'd totally buy that!

So would I!

Personally I can see how the game rates an "M", though I agree its more of an "barely M", due to them touching upon a lot of mature themes. But alas, as uncle sheo might have remarked, they mostly tell, but don't show. Sometimes that is nice, I love how some side conversations play with words (points for that nightflowers conversation about swords and sheaths, and others of the sort - it doesn't have to be crude to be mature... though crude has its place too, when it fits the story). But often it does feel like something is lacking...

When it comes to armor and the often lamented dissapereance of the orcish boob window... I liked that change. Makes little sense to have an "stab here please" gap in something intended to protect all the juicy insides so the red stuff doesn't all run out during battle... and I am pretty sure sooner or later some "skimpy" costumes will show up in the crown store for people who like to roleplay, and others... I just hope when they do, there will also be some to objectify the boys too, in the spirit of equality!

Jice · April 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I liked that change. Makes little sense to have an "stab here please" gap in something intended to protect all the juicy insides so the red stuff doesn't all run out during battle... and I am pretty sure sooner or later some "skimpy" costumes will show up in the crown store for people who like to roleplay, and others... I just hope when they do, there will also be some to objectify the boys too, in the spirit of equality!

This needs to stop. For one. There were 20 other chest styles without the boob window. To take away the one that did took also took away people's choice to have it regardless of if you liked the window or not. It's not your character that was using it.

Two. Cleavage exists. Why is it any time it shows in a video game, that's 'objectifying' women, and every time it appears on a real female in a real street that's 'empowering' her? Why is there a line in which people can't choose for themselves what they want for their character without someone else telling them what it means they are doing? If an IRL male wants to play a female character with big boobs and a skimpy outfit that should be his choice. Just as it should be the same for IRL females to play Female characters who wear battle appropriate armor. The problem is when there is removal of that choice, which is what people are pissed about.

Three. I'm gay, which means I'm totally for a skimpy equivalent for male characters. Wanting to look or feel sexy, or show more body is not a female only desire. ESO has the most potential for people to style and choose for themselves what they want their characters to wear and ZoS keeps removing those options one after another, that's what people are mad about.

Actaully, it's the same reason I hate trying to shop for clothes in Alberta. If you don't like Jeans, which I don't, your only other option is dress pants.

Freedom for people to choose what to wear for themselves is what creates equality, not some dumb idea about 'objectifying' everyone equally.

daswahnsinn · April 2015

Cleavage could be offensive, blood could upset someone, and sexually themed anything is hush hush. Or at least that's what I was told. A "M" rating violates ESO Code of Conduct.

Hayuru · April 2015

They should add blood and make it optional. Blood is exactly what this game needs.

Robo_Hobo · April 2015

Honestly, I'm glad they don't have all of that stuff you listed, I've always found the 'mature' rating to be ironic, for it always attracts the immature in hordes, like a moth to a flame.

Cody · April 2015

equip the argonian light armor on a female character, the level 1-14 armor.

Naivefanboi · April 2015

Yakidafi wrote: »

Oh, no cleavage!?

This one would say it appreciates the style zos has chosen. Compared to other games yaki would say it is more mature in its art and the minimal erotic hints are welcome.

Want boobs and buttocks this one only need to walk down the street, even in winter time, yes.

uhh hate to rain on your parade, but i see plenty of cleavage shirts everyday, not that i really care but yes its a m rated game so have all the past ES games and yet this one is the tamest. just another example of zos missing the bullseye, but hey least they hit the board. now go get rid of those last lil blood bits asap!

Goldie · April 2015

Craven_Killmore wrote: »

Almost everything in the game is so, sooo E rating, minus the odd swear word.

After spending some time digging around on the ptr forums, I was shocked to uncover just how many E rating makeovers zos has done over the year.

We have clothing cleavage removal, we have no blood or extremely miniscule amounts when we are slashing gigantic 2handed weapons at our enemies, and there is also no story or lore directed at sexual or explicit content throughout the game, zero, none. Why give it a M rating? did the esrb say yep, that's M for sure ? I find it hard to believe, not even a side boob.

Currently vr4 myself and at no point in the game have I ever once thought, wow that's M rated for sure check out that gore or boobs, I hate to say this games name but Tera is a real M rated game.

M doesn't just stand for violence, it includes explicit content or sexual themes which this game has none of.

What is everyone's opinion, do you guys think I am wrong?

Thanks for reading.

I myself would LOVE to see some more side boob! #freethecleavage!!! #boobsandblood!!!

Nebthet78 · April 2015

There is a fair bit of sexual innuendo in the game if you look for it. Sometimes though, you just have to have a dirty mind.

I will leave this here for y'all

That time when Darien Gautier asks you if you want a bite after he'd been waiting for you. (Funnier if you are a female player)

The 50 Shades of Grey happening in the basement

Being told to wait your turn by the two men talking in the corner.

The Medical tent outside of Davon's Watch. NPC placement wasn't always where it was suppose to be. This resulted in ... well.. um.... yeah... I guess you could call it a form of medical treatment.

And there is blood.. lots of blood in the game.