derpsticks wrote: »

I think the dolmens just aren't as interesting as they need to be. Im just trying to spice them up. Do you have any different suggestions mike or just keep them as they are?

Well it's kinda tricky to balance, isn't it?

Because if you put good rewards with decent drop chance, people will go there and farm them during quiet hours or in the safety of large groups. Dolmens are very easily soloable, thus the rewards will be too high for the effort or risk involved. You can't solo a vet dungeon for example, and you can't zerg it with 50 people either. So you shouldn't have a chance for same quality rewards by doing a dolmen.

The only idea I have to do it properly would be to add strategic value to those dolmens within Cyrodiil. They have their own "tick range" of sorts and the more AP is generated in the area the larger the chance to get a good drop when the dolmen is cleared.

Thus soloing a dead dolmen will give you a very small chance, but if you manage to kill 2-3 people then the chance is increased significantly. Also if you zerg it you get less of chance, kinda the same way AP ticks work.

Again, I'm all for giving dolmens value. They were huge part of the marketing and the videos ZOS created. But like with any open world, zergable, easy content.... it's tricky to balance the risk /reward ratio.

oo what if they made a server with no siege whatsoever and totally revamped the PVE/P in it. No groups larger than four, resources would be a major focus and random objectives pop up around the map which all players would be alerted to and converge at. Scoring would be based around completing quests like who saved the town from a boss mob or kept certain outlying delves secured which would grant NPCs to guard it (until recaptured) and slowly gain their faction points. And this would be a perfect place to implement an actual PVP bounty system. RP only server, please.

I like the idea of the off the road content somehow contributing to the overall alliance objective.

I see your point mike and I like your idea. Im just not convinced that that farming would be as bad as you make it out to be. Sure they might be farmed, but there aren't that many and they dont instantly respawn. So I think it might just be better to give a higher drop rate to dolmens based on cyrodiil population or just change their respawn rates accordingly.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

I think the dolmens just aren't as interesting as they need to be. Im just trying to spice them up. Do you have any different suggestions mike or just keep them as they are?

The only idea I have to do it properly would be to add strategic value to those dolmens within Cyrodiil. They have their own "tick range" of sorts and the more AP is generated in the area the larger the chance to get a good drop when the dolmen is cleared.

Maybe Dolmens should spawn daedra that seek out and attack random keeps in the area attacking anyone in sight whether they're defending or attacking the keep! This would give purpose to destroying the anchors in PvP

Im not kidding, this would be amazing if they could manage to put it in game without lagging the heck out of everything. But I doubt it'll ever get in since the servers couldn't even handle deer.

Aminals wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

Maybe Dolemns should spawn daedra that seek out and attack random keeps in the area attacking anyone in sight!

Im not kidding, that would be amazing if they could manage to put it in game.

Yea and if no one does anything about it the castle becomes overrun with demons and yields no points until it's retaken

Just imagine waves of Daedroth coming up to the walls of Aleswell or something.
This is what bothers me...Cyrodiil has so much potential thats just not being unlocked

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion ofc, but if you don't see how a 10% drop rate on rare items (that you normally have to spend 200k plus AP to even get a chance of getting one) will destroy the PvP items market, then sorry we won't agree on much.

The risk is lower than the reward. Period.

You can always find quiet campaigns or quiet hours to do it. Also PvE guilds can go out in force, like they did to protect their server buffs on dead campaigns, to farm sets with little effort. It will still be faster than collecting AP at 10k-15k per hour that is the current average.

Also, outside of Master's weapons, there is not a set in the game that drops from two different types of content. I cannot get Vicious Ophidian items PvPing. Nor can I get v12 Walrock set farming dolmens.

Adding a second way to get the same gear will increase the occurrence of the item which alone will have a negative effect on the price. That's simple maths. If this second way is as easy as you suggest, then prices will collapse.

PS: Some gear (Arch-Mage, Morag Tong, Desert Rose etc) is only available in blue quality anyway. Only the sets available via the Elite Vendor are purple.

The problem is that there is no "PvP items market" in any officially supported sense. It would be great if PvP players got in the habit of selling gear in the guild stores, but for some reason they don't. It would also be great if AP could be purchased directly from a vendor or a guild store with gold, but that doesn't seem to be possible either.

I understand your argument, but why would I want to protect a "market" I can't really access because I don't PvP or know anyone who does?

vortexman11 wrote: »

Just imagine waves of Daedroth coming up to the walls of Aleswell or something.
This is what bothers me...Cyrodiil has so much potential thats just not being unlocked

Exactly. My biggest gripe with past elder scrolls games and why they lacked replay to me was that everything is done in a single player vacume and there was no one to admire my acomplishments. And in ESO I could really care less about questing, PvP is all that really matters for the same reason. However if the quests were involved with an actual shared story between real people (like mmos are supposed to) then I'd be way more enthused to do said quests since I'd be fighting with and against real people who are what make the game special.

Most N/A campaigns are full much of the time now and the populations are continuing to grow. We do not need another incentive that will bring in more non-PvP players and increase the queues for folks who actually want to participate in the Alliance War. There are already way too many. If you want PvP items then you need to PvP and earn the currency to get them.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion ofc, but if you don't see how a 10% drop rate on rare items (that you normally have to spend 200k plus AP to even get a chance of getting one) will destroy the PvP items market, then sorry we won't agree on much.

The risk is lower than the reward. Period.

You can always find quiet campaigns or quiet hours to do it. Also PvE guilds can go out in force, like they did to protect their server buffs on dead campaigns, to farm sets with little effort. It will still be faster than collecting AP at 10k-15k per hour that is the current average.

Also, outside of Master's weapons, there is not a set in the game that drops from two different types of content. I cannot get Vicious Ophidian items PvPing. Nor can I get v12 Walrock set farming dolmens.

Adding a second way to get the same gear will increase the occurrence of the item which alone will have a negative effect on the price. That's simple maths. If this second way is as easy as you suggest, then prices will collapse.

PS: Some gear (Arch-Mage, Morag Tong, Desert Rose etc) is only available in blue quality anyway. Only the sets available via the Elite Vendor are purple.

The problem is that there is no "PvP items market" in any officially supported sense. It would be great if PvP players got in the habit of selling gear in the guild stores, but for some reason they don't. It would also be great if AP could be purchased directly from a vendor or a guild store with gold, but that doesn't seem to be possible either.

I understand your argument, but why would I want to protect a "market" I can't really access because I don't PvP or know anyone who does?

You're completely wrong on all accounts. PvPers do sell stuff on stores. I made 500k gold selling PvP gear through stores since 1.6 came out. The reason you don't see that much of it is precisely because they are very expensive AP-wise to get, thus there are few pieces that get snapped up quickly and the prices are high.

There will never be a store that sells AP for Gold and there's a very good reason for it. It allows the prices to fluctuate based on demand. Since the AP cost of items is fixed, the gold price of AP is made by the market and thus the gold price of the items changes day by day. Your idea would be similar to selling warlock ring on a store. You'll have no reason to do Trials (PvP), just farm gold somewhere and then buy the rings for gold, destroying any market there is for the product in the first place.

And no I don't understand your final argument. All PvP gear is available to you if you're willing to pay or PvP. Similarly, I can't get PvE gear unless I PvE or pay dearly. You don't have to "know" someone who PvPs, that's a ridiculous notion. You just have to go to the market areas and spam "WTB Raving Choker" or whatever set you're after and sooner or later someone who has AP for that will whisper you.

If anything ALL PvP gear is bind-on-equip while some high-end PvE gear is bind-on-pickup.

vortexman11 wrote: »

Maybe Dolmens should spawn daedra that seek out and attack random keeps in the area attacking anyone in sight whether they're defending or attacking the keep! This would give purpose to destroying the anchors in PvP

Im not kidding, this would be amazing if they could manage to put it in game without lagging the heck out of everything. But I doubt it'll ever get in since the servers couldn't even handle deer.

No, no, no, no, no.......no..........NO.

PvE in PvP should be optional not mandatory. If you want to fight NPCs/monsters there are 3,218,723 places you can do that.

If you want to fight players and NPCs at the same time great, but I should have a way of opting out of that without costing my faction anything. I go to Cyro to fight intelligent players not boring AI. Losing keeps to Daedra will force me to fight Daedra in Cyrodiil and I'm against that.

I'm all about encouraging people to do different things, but I'm strongly against compelling them to do it.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

LOL, you make it sound like it's easy for PvE players to farm Warlock rings... it's totally NOT. I have no idea where to find them, and most other players don't, either. That's why they cost as much as Light of Cyrodiil rings! At least a PvP player KNOWS he can earn something himself if he can get enough AP. PvE players, on the other hand, are slaves to the RNG. On top of that, the best PvE gear is BoP from 12-man raid drops and can't be farmed or bought by most PvE players, either.

I'm not hating on you... I hear your frustration. Please understand that there is a lot of angst to go around. I would LOVE it if I could get AP or elite PvP gear from PvEish activities like killing keep guards, and I would be happy if you could get Warlock rings doing something you enjoyed, too.

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Again wrong, wrong wrong.

Certain PvP items are RNG like Morag Tong, Arch-Mage etc. PvPers are as much slaves to RNG as PvErs.

Also please stop with the exaggerations. Everyone knows where Warlock rings drop and if you don't that's showing an incredible lack of 21st century skills. Just google it:
"Epic v12: Drops from bosses in the Aetherian Archive and Hel Ra Citadel"
Warlock Set Link

As for the BOP gear, I only wish there was some high end PvP gear that was BoP only and you couldn't get by being a PvE scrub

Edit: The "PVE scrub" part is a joke ofc...

I should have mentioned that I'm mostly a SOLO PvE player. I've never seen VR12 Warlock rings drop anywhere I can access at will. Also, I've NEVER seen Light of Cyrodiil gear other than the rings in any guild store, and I check them all at least once a week. I'm still one piece short of a full Arch-Mage set and have been for months. So, while this gear may be technically BoE, it may as well be BoP because the retail availability is just as bad.

I don't know how I feel about your suggestion to spam chat with "WTB" this or that. I've never done it, and I feel a little uneasy about haggling, especially when I have no idea ahead of time how much gold I need. If this is the only option available, I may have to try it, though.

As for earning the AP myself, believe me, I'd LOVE to. But, every time I go to Cyrodill, it's so frickin' boring! Riding around on my horse for 5-10 minutes, then getting killed by a zerg 3 seconds after I spot the enemy... man, it just sucks. ZoS could solve SO MANY problems if they just added a few more ways to earn AP in Cyrodiil.

The retail availability on high end items always is and always be bad. Otherwise there would be dozens of them and the prices would collapse. Plus, there can't be dozen's of them because they're not so easy to get so when they get listed they get snapped. There's many people who have been PvPing for a couple of months and still don't have a full Arch-Mage set. I don't understand why you'd expect to find everything, right now, in the store?

Also this is an MMO buddy. If you don't get involved in some human interaction you won't go far. I'm not telling you to do group PvE if you don't want to, play as you want and stuff. But if you want to be involved in the game's economy & trade system you have to talk to real people from time to time. It's not Skyrim, where all your financial dealings are with an NPC.

PvP players don't randomly splash tons of AP on things they don't think will sell. So if you want Cyrodiil Light clothes, you'll have to talk to a PvPer to get them for you. I bought a full ravaging set only the other day for someone. That cost over 1m AP. That's ~100hrs of PvP time which is almost a whole month for me. I'm not gonna go spend that randomly without having a buyer in mind.

And lag aside Cyrodiil is fine, thank you very much. If you get killed 3" after spotting an enemy you must be new to it without much practice and experience. Join a PvP guild for a while and learn the ropes before going solo which can be daunting for newcomers.

Overall, fairly split down the middle on this poll.

I'm actually happy that people enjoyed the potato option.