Request from Roleplayers

thelordoffelines · March 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I am curious about something in regards to OP original post. I understand being trolled by non rpers and honestly even in say SWTOR that had RP servers, you still got trolled pretty regularly. In SWTOR mute became my very best friend because of that. But in ESO, when you mute someone does their chat not go away from your screen? Is this not a valid option in ESO when it comes to trolls?

Recently trolls talking about their peni$ seems to be a thing. So yeah, once I screenshot and report, I ignore. But as another poster has already pointed out, trolling often takes a far more aggressive approach than just spamming p0Rn in chat at you. Trolls will have their character leaping in your face, spamming spells and other attacks and just do their utmost to completely distract and (insert censored word here) all over your RP just because they can. Once that has happened four or five times in a session I'm pretty much ready to throw in the towel. And it's completely ludicrous to suggest that we should have to go hunt down deserted areas to go literally hide in for RP. The onus really IS on ZOS to deal with this problem because frankly they are the only ones who can. And thus far I've seen their "response" to be extremely lackluster.

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1. The word *** isn't *** its a completely accepted term for the male sexual organ. (although in not saying that isn't highly annoying).
2. Was this dc? I went over there on an alt and noticed they very much like to talk about their *** over there.

MornaBaine · March 2015

thelordoffelines wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I am curious about something in regards to OP original post. I understand being trolled by non rpers and honestly even in say SWTOR that had RP servers, you still got trolled pretty regularly. In SWTOR mute became my very best friend because of that. But in ESO, when you mute someone does their chat not go away from your screen? Is this not a valid option in ESO when it comes to trolls?

Recently trolls talking about their peni$ seems to be a thing. So yeah, once I screenshot and report, I ignore. But as another poster has already pointed out, trolling often takes a far more aggressive approach than just spamming p0Rn in chat at you. Trolls will have their character leaping in your face, spamming spells and other attacks and just do their utmost to completely distract and (insert censored word here) all over your RP just because they can. Once that has happened four or five times in a session I'm pretty much ready to throw in the towel. And it's completely ludicrous to suggest that we should have to go hunt down deserted areas to go literally hide in for RP. The onus really IS on ZOS to deal with this problem because frankly they are the only ones who can. And thus far I've seen their "response" to be extremely lackluster.

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1. The word *** isn't *** its a completely accepted term for the male sexual organ. (although in not saying that isn't highly annoying).
2. Was this dc? I went over there on an alt and noticed they very much like to talk about their *** over there.

Yep, NA DC. I've witnessed a few incidents now with trolls griefing RPers with highly sexualized talk regarding their sexual organs. I'm no prude but it gets old fast. I figure if you gotta talk about it...it ain't all that much.

Rykoth · March 2015

We don't need private instances.

We need thicker skin.

The worst thing you can do is give RP trolls any sort of attention. These guys aren't even real bullies - they're just idiots. They're bored, lonely, obnoxious, and childish idiots who see a group of people and decide to be well... themselves. And if you react? Usually it makes it worse. Sending them whispers rarely works - sometimes it does, saying "Hey, we're RPing could you please stop?" Most of the time they don't stop. IMO the best thing to do is to report them, ignore them, and then keep RPing. It happened in Riften a few days ago - we were RPing, people were being ***, we kept RPing, they eventually got bored and left.

We as RPers need thicker skin. That will solve many issues. This RP community already has thicker skin than other games. GW2's community would be talking about how they need therapists and xanax to deal with griefers >.>

MornaBaine · March 2015

Rykoth, you know skin does not come much thicker than mine. LOL I don't need therapy after having endured a round of trolling. But it IS annoying and SOME reasonable measures need to be made to reduce what players have to put up with.

Grigs · March 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

pullbcarepull wrote: »

What if those folks trolling you are just role-playing very rude people?

Thank you for illustrating exactly why we need what I'm asking for.

That seemed like a legitimate question. Someone is fussy

JoffyToffy69 · March 2015

I think it is a great idea, and very reasonable to request "empty" instances.
That makes everyone happy. It's relatively simple, and would be worth alot to the RPers.

I doubt anything will happen any time soon, but if it keeps getting requested, they may eventually get to it.
Empty instances can even be the beginning of actual player housing. If they can get that far that is. (I hope they do!)

Zyle · March 2015

I will agree that something should be done, everyone plays the game for their own reason and shouldn't feel like they don't have a place. ZOS should also be looking at the RP crowd as a big source of income, as the majority of things in the Crown Store will be cosmetic.

Louis · March 2015

im still waiting to be paired with playstyles that suit me as stated by ZoS way back, they said something along the lines if youre a roleplayer you will be paired with other roleplayers in the same instance

MornaBaine · March 2015

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

I will agree that something should be done, everyone plays the game for their own reason and shouldn't feel like they don't have a place. ZOS should also be looking at the RP crowd as a big source of income, as the majority of things in the Crown Store will be cosmetic.

Since there's been no Dev response to this thread (didn't honestly expect one) at this point I'd be thrilled if they just threw in a generic "guild hall" in the cash shop. As long as you could also invite non-guildies into it with you.

ServerusEcru · March 2015

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

Another suggestion for RP location: Cyrodiil. It may seem outlandish, but hey - it's open to anyone lvl 10+, and really, most of the zone is deserted most of the time. The quest hub areas are like little towns, with relatively low amount of traffic. There are also other various caves and buildings scattered throughout that are unoccupied 99% of the time.

Great point on the Cyrodiil suggestion! I think making a PVP/RP server in Cyrodiil would work. In this server, devs can make the (/say) chat open for all three alliances; such a feature would allow players to RP and converse, organize rivals, territories and battles in character; similar to SWTOR. Also the realm can be more innovative, for instance in this server Emperor status will have a political longevity, meaning when that person dies, leaves the game for 30 days without activity or decides to pass the torch to someone deserving of the rank; this will determine the options to lose Emperor status. I think this is something realistic and will be agreed upon by roleplayers and fans of the ESO community. What are your thoughts.

Genomic · March 2015

Harleyquincey wrote: »

What really drives me mad, personally, is the hilariously awful flower-picking RP that is going on whenever I stumble upon it here (not that I'd participate, I'm busy enough with my ongoing campaign still). I sometimes spend a while and listen in to it and am downright apalled. It's the same old same old, some guys trying to play the Prince of Whatever, someone else is a Count but still helps out in a tavern as a sort of barkeep (go figure! I witnessed that live, for real) and then there's the really odd stuff like eRP and furry-RP plus all the special snowflakes.

LOL. I know, it makes me cringe too. In fact, if someone was actually talking or acting like that, given the game is based in a mediaeval style world of death, war and plagues, a true roleplayer of this world would be disgusted with them, call them a mewling nonce and bash them on the head with a mace.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · March 2015

i think a good idea would be to open up a non-pvp instance of cyrodiil. this wouldnt just solve the roleplayers problems, it would give more repeatable endgame content, more exploration options, and all without the fear of ganking douchnozzles ruining your fun

Necrelios · March 2015

I don't see why there can't be RP dungeons that groups of RP'ers could inhabit. As soon as they all left, the server resources would be reclaimed. It wouldn't add any more demand on the servers than having group dungeons already does, and which are probably some of the least resource demanding elements to the game.

There's already some versions of instanced off areas of places like the castles you visit in each alliance before heading off to Coldharbor that could be interesting settings. There's a lot of these little instanced off places in the single player story line that could be recycled as possible RP settings.

MornaBaine · March 2015

Genomic wrote: »

Harleyquincey wrote: »

What really drives me mad, personally, is the hilariously awful flower-picking RP that is going on whenever I stumble upon it here (not that I'd participate, I'm busy enough with my ongoing campaign still). I sometimes spend a while and listen in to it and am downright apalled. It's the same old same old, some guys trying to play the Prince of Whatever, someone else is a Count but still helps out in a tavern as a sort of barkeep (go figure! I witnessed that live, for real) and then there's the really odd stuff like eRP and furry-RP plus all the special snowflakes.

LOL. I know, it makes me cringe too. In fact, if someone was actually talking or acting like that, given the game is based in a mediaeval style world of death, war and plagues, a true roleplayer of this world would be disgusted with them, call them a mewling nonce and bash them on the head with a mace.

RP is like PvP. Some people are really good at it...and some people just really, really suck. Those who have a knowledge of the lore and can resist the urge to make their character the very specialist snowflake of all can be a genuine pleasure to roleplay with. And I don't mind if it's just a mundane conversation...we can't be saving the world in grand style EVERY second of the day. But bad RP...it's pretty horrid I must admit. Let's talk about the vampires in Wayrest tavern (the Cloudy Dregs, or, as it has become known in the RP community, just The Dregs) who roleplay OPENLY as vampires in public. Newsflash fangers...this ain't Bontemps and the taverns here aren't Fangtasia or Merlottes!

Epona222 · March 2015

I got blasted out the other day for standing around listening to people who were using /say to RP. I wasn't doing anything to interrupt (and I used to do PnP back in the day, so I get it), I was just standing in a public place, intrigued with the story that was going on around me. Unwilling to join in (it seemed like a fairly intense ritual/initiation type thing going on, not a casual bar chat), but interested enough to listen.
I don't actually want RP on a separate server. Although I got a roasting for listening to what was going on, it kind of made my day. There should be room for that and acceptance of that (and I personally welcome it), not shoved off into some corner where you have to make a deliberate decision that in order to RP you have to be 'on the RP server' or something. I have always enjoyed seeing moments of RP around Tamriel, and maybe sometime I will want to join in - if you all go off and hide on your own shard, how will that ever happen?

MornaBaine · March 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

I got blasted out the other day for standing around listening to people who were using /say to RP. I wasn't doing anything to interrupt (and I used to do PnP back in the day, so I get it), I was just standing in a public place, intrigued with the story that was going on around me. Unwilling to join in (it seemed like a fairly intense ritual/initiation type thing going on, not a casual bar chat), but interested enough to listen.
I don't actually want RP on a separate server. Although I got a roasting for listening to what was going on, it kind of made my day. There should be room for that and acceptance of that (and I personally welcome it), not shoved off into some corner where you have to make a deliberate decision that in order to RP you have to be 'on the RP server' or something. I have always enjoyed seeing moments of RP around Tamriel, and maybe sometime I will want to join in - if you all go off and hide on your own shard, how will that ever happen?

I get what you're saying and typically, if it seems like someone is "watching" an RP scene I'm involved in, I'll make a point of whispering them in a friendly manner and asking of they have any questions and letting them know if it's ok for them to join in or if we'd prefer they just observe. Very seldom do I get a negative response and people have even joined our guild afterwards. So yes there is some validity to what you say. Unfortunately, what FAR more often happens is that RPers get trolled. Repeatedly. And I'm not just talking obnoxious comments that you just put the offender on ignore and not have to deal with them further. We're talking literally disruptive behavior, jumping around in your characters' faces, spamming spells, playing instruments, ANYTHING they can think of to break up what you are doing. And until some genius can think of a way to put a full stop to that kind of obnoxious behavior... roleplayers need places they can "get away" from it all.

SantieClaws · March 2015

Maybe the answer will (eventually) come with private housing or guild housing?

Just like in RL if I stand at the bus stop I can't stop some annoying idiot shouting loudly down his phone to some other annoying jerk or stop that woman on the tube last night from putting her darned shopping on the seat when there were people standing up.

I did give the woman on the tube my very best evil stare though.

Every train journey into work saps my belief in any decency left in the human race - that means you very large bloke this morning who was taking up one seat and blocking another two while people stood up.

If that woman on the tube came into my house though and put her bags on my sofa then I would happily throw her shopping out the window. She would follow closely behind it.

Thing is that guy thinks his loud annoying conversation is legitimate and important and that woman thinks her shopping is more important than any other person on the tube. In game maybe that guy you think is being really annoying is enjoying the game in his own way. It is often obvious who the idiots are (that means you person who thought it was funny at Xmas to stand with your horse's butt in my face no matter where I was standing.

I don't know of any other solution that is ever likely to be practically implemented. An MMO is always a mostly public space and it is hard to stop people behaving like jerks in a public space. At the end of the day you have to rely on the goodness of the human (or Khajiit) heart and most people are just very selfish - in RL and in game.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · March 2015

For those who think trolling can be ignored, you are so wrong. Back in last summer, I was in a scene where my character was unconcsious and used /sleep2. As there was nothing I could pose, I went to go fix supper. I come back to the screen to find a troll doing pushups on my character. I was *** as a child so this was enough to cause flashbacks. /ignore does not work against emotes. Yes, I screenshot and reported but all I received was the canned response from ZOS. Somehow, I don't think my report made any difference. Until people are given consequences for their actions, trolls will continue to be a problem. I was so looking forward to the playstyle phasing that ESO had stated before launch but, it seems that was just hype. We really need better troll handling tools, better customer response or player/guild housing.

ZeroInspiration · March 2015

This is not a bad request by any means but the fact is that it will not happen. The moment ZOS gives something like this to a specific community they will have to do it for all others. That means they will have to make a PvE only instance in Cyrodiil, a open PvP Tamriel and so on which would end up becoming too much work and separating the player base. In fact I'm pretty sure that the amount of players that like griefing RPers is larger than the RPers themselves, and ZOS as a business has to cater to the majority. The fact is that the RP community is very very small, probably so small that ZOS cannot justify creating something that specifically appeals to it.

The moment they announced that ESO was going to run on a single megaserver you had to know that roleplaying wasn't going to be very optimal. Like others have said, you either deal with it, find somewhere quiet or go play a game that is catered to RPers if there are any out there.

Maidenname · March 2015

I sympathized with OP request, if ZOS can make a separate ROLEPLAYING chat/channel as they do in LOTRO , it may help a bit. So regular players In the regular zone chat need not read or see any RP chats on their screen unless they turn on the RP channel. In addition, ZOS can make an option to switch on a glowing icon to highlight Roleplaying players like in LOTRO, where Roleplayers name are highlighted and stand out from a regular player. Yea, it's a big step on this one though, since ZOS is still struggling to fix the lag problem and bugs at the moment, but hey, these are just some thought for future plans if ESO can make pass 2 or 3 year marker.

Last night, I had a polite player in RP role approached me and engaged in a polite conversationfor 30 minutes. But It distracted in my questing (a brand new lowbie alt) . I don't want to be unfriendly or unhelpful, but I have no desire to RP. However, if there is a Roleplaying channel where players with similar interest in mind, such players will or may enjoy more and receive tremendous help from their similar community and allows them to direct any questions or hold their conversation without receiving sarcasm or mockings from regular/immature players.

Ysne58 · March 2015

I do think one PvE instance for Cyrodiil is a reasonable request. Both the RPrs and the PvErs who hate PvP would benefit. It would also be a short term solution for the lack of new explorable content for the PvErs.

Gidorick · March 2015

Scrolls of Solitary Assurance sold in crown store for 500C that teleport one player to an empty instance. The only way other players can join is to follow that player or another in that instance. The instance has no mobs. No NPCs. No loot. It's empty. The instance lasts for 5 hours. After those 5 hours the players are all teleported out of the instance.

Sengra · March 2015

I don't think an RP channel would be the end to all RP problems. Last night we had a moderately big event, and with the huge range of the 'say' channel, it was virtually impossible to follow the chat at times.

Instead of a separate channel, a much smaller say range could solve a lot of problems, I think. Griefers wouldn't notice a lot of RP if they're not standing right next to the RPers, and events wouldn't be such a stressful experience for the people who have to read everything in chat (vendors, tavern staff etc).

That being said, I'm not against a separate RP channel at all. It wouldn't prevent people from griefing RPers on purpose though if that's what they love doing. Say/emote chat isn't really used a lot by non-RPers in TESO, is it?

MornaBaine · March 2015

Sengra wrote: »

I don't think an RP channel would be the end to all RP problems. Last night we had a moderately big event, and with the huge range of the 'say' channel, it was virtually impossible to follow the chat at times.

Instead of a separate channel, a much smaller say range could solve a lot of problems, I think. Griefers wouldn't notice a lot of RP if they're not standing right next to the RPers, and events wouldn't be such a stressful experience for the people who have to read everything in chat (vendors, tavern staff etc).

That being said, I'm not against a separate RP channel at all. It wouldn't prevent people from griefing RPers on purpose though if that's what they love doing. Say/emote chat isn't really used a lot by non-RPers in TESO, is it?

I have to agree that a tighter /say and /emote radius would be WONDERFUL. If you're at a tavern the people upstairs should not be "hearing" every detail of what is going on downstairs. The huge /say and /emote radius we have now makes larger RP events a total nightmare. The chat bubbles help but they don't solve the problem.

Clutch · March 2015

The phasing technology is really what swung back at the RP community. It's neat in that it gives a persistent immersion but at the same time, it does cost community interaction within certain fields. With this case being RP, you're better off requesting for RP guilds right here on the forums and choose one as your favorite choice to get an invite. Then use the roster in game to join phases when events are going down.

Kind of wish they really did add a third and forth mega server (one being for RP and the other for open world PVP).

Roechacca · March 2015

The only RP that ever gets distracting in area chat is when someone wants to Narrorate everything their character is thinking all the way down to describing eyebrow changes and batting eyelashes . Look , no one should be able to hear your thoughts and emotion can be portrayed through conversation tone . You're role playing not writing a Nancy Drew Novel . So talk , interact but no one wants to hear your sex scene written in spacial like a bad penthouse forum . Put those moments is a group chat or between whispers . Most people don't mind people Role Playing at all . It's when spacial gets filled with non sense that sounds like narration in a book . You'll avoid a ton of stupid comments and trolls just by avoiding some of these over board types of RP .

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2015

They should make a completely separate RP server so us normal folk can play the game without being interrupted by people complaining about other people bothering them in an MMO where they aren't the only ones playing.

Raash · March 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

Dear ZOS,
You claim to care very deeply about your roleplaying community. And you do seem to try to engage with us, as the Tamriel Chronicle shows. However, you chose (for reasons I'm sure seemed compelling to you) NOT to give us an RP shard/server, etc. And frankly, I've yet to see an RP server that did not get invaded by non-roleplayers in any other game I've played anyway, usually to the point of pretty much destroying them. It is a sad truth that an unfortunately large part of the human race is cruel and stupid and there's not much you can do about it.

I am part of a roleplaying guild and we have a lot of involvement with other roleplaying guilds. It's a great deal of fun for us. However, I have never, EVER been roleplaying without someone trolling the RP session at some point, at least once. Trolling takes all sorts of "imaginative" forms like:
start saying really rude and demeaning things
spam spells
stand in the middle of whatever is going on and dance
stand within other characters (thanks lack of collision) just to be annoying
start playing instruments while standing "in your face"

To get a GM's intervention they have to get a flurry of reports from several players and the offender has to be dumb enough to stick around long enough to be caught by the GM.

Generally speaking what happens is a series of "drive by" trollings by multiple people who will come over, be rude and disruptive for a few moments and then move on. This happens MULTIPLE TIMES in any RP session I have ever been in and it is the common experience of every single roleplayer in the game.

The arrival of the B2P model is going to make this situation worse than ever. You already KNOW it is. So what are you going to do about it ZOS?

I already fear that the answer will be, "absolutely nothing."

Combating trolling is part of why player housing is so desperately desired. But you've shown no indication that you are interested in even beginning that project. And even if you told us you were starting work on it tomorrow we know it would still be many, many moths AFTER B2P hits before we could even optimistically hope to see it implemented.

But there IS something you can do, relatively simply. Give us empty instances. Houses and taverns, maybe even the castles and a few dungeons. No mobs, no XP gain, just EMPTY versions of spaces that already exist. Then let us be able to go into them as a group. All roleplayers REALLY need is a troll-free space to play in. This need is filled by many other games because dungeons and other content are instanced/phased to your group only. So you can go in, do the content, and then have the space to roleplay in.

As a "for instance" when I was playing Age of Conan there was a dungeon called Bubshur House in the Stygian lowbie zone. It was filled with zombies. Since much lower level NPCs were smart enough to NOT attack player characters significantly higher than themselves (unlike the ones in THIS game) my Necromancer eventually adopted it as her personal library and the wandering undead were her "servants." I could then group with other players and my Necro could have a nice quiet conversation about the finer points of flensing a skeleton while showing off her collection of necromantic tomes and scrolls.

The point is, you could get to a troll-free space to roleplay in peace. Whereas you, ZOS, have made that completely impossible. So please, I implore you, before you go B2P, show your roleplayers (who are going to be spending a ton of money in your crown store) just a little bit of consideration and throw us this bone. Please.

Thank you.

Im not an active roleplayer myself but I enjoy being around those who are and if there would be a RP server I would pick it and never look back, no matter how low pop it would be. AoC(eu) is perhaps the most fun game ive played, and to be honest it was all thanks to the awesome RP-community since much of the game itself was mediocre at best... lol. anyway I doubt ZoS will make the effort but they should know its a damn shame.

Taz · March 2015

I'd love an RP instance/phasing choice for the world in general. If you think about it, that would leave PvE as a 'server', Cyrodiil as a 'pvp server' and the 'RP server' which'd be useful enough on its own, those who want to RP or see RP or be in an RP community can, those who don't don't have to, and like every optional feature (chat bubbles, etc) it's something you'd have to activate consciously, not a default. This won't give you a troll-free experience, of course, but it will make it easier for RPers to find each other and for RP to flourish. I'm still holding out for player and guild housing for events or super private RP.

However, I can't say that I've dealt with too much trolling. At least none that was disruptive or memorable. Sometimes people might just be awkwardly trying to join in, and if that seems to be the case- we'll generally give them benefit of the doubt- my friends and I usually try to include them, as gently but as in-character as we can. Sometimes it works! Sometimes it doesn't- if it's clear they're just going out of their way to troll, we have an OOC laugh and just keep RPing and don't respond or let it interrupt us. Sometimes I've even noticed that by politely whispering someone that what they're doing isn't too nice, and if they'd like to join they may and we can help them get a foot in the door, but if they don't to please respectfully ignore us- trolls might be embarrassed about it and stop or take up the offer to try it out.

They're people playing a game, even if they're being rude. Much of the time they can be reasoned with. Much of the time an offer of inclusion, rather than distaste, can be enough to reach the person behind the trollish facade. Just my experience. I like taking new RPers under the wing.

But my friends and I tend to RP off the road (bandits or mercenaries) so maybe I'm just not in the right areas to see the big problem. I haven't had issues in other games. Honestly most drama and disruptive behavior I've seen comes from within RP communities themselves.

Regardless, I'm 100% for RP phasing.

Roechacca · March 2015

If there's a way to just create your own RP chat channel then no one would need a whole separate server . Some people like to interact a little with groups that are role playing in a positive way . I'm not a huge RP person but I've acted out a few mercenary roles for small groups following a Dungeon story line they created . I waited around patiently while they went through the RP investigation story RP and just lended a hand during combat . They rewarded me with a piece of blue gear looted and a drink at the tavern in Rivenspire . It was cool to play along and never would have happened if they were all on a separate server from me .
ZOS should think more along the lines of tools for RP instead of separating all of them from the rest of the community . Not all us pvpers are bad people in game , just usually on the forums ....