Siege... finally a zerg buster

Galalin · March 2015

Its about time is all i can say... there will be much QQing for a while but i hope it stays this way. It was funny watching lemmings all day funnel in and die. Slowly ppl started adapting and battles because alot more strategic with multiple front sieges and timed pushes. Its not often i say good job or hats off to ZoS but.... Great job guys!!! This change was needed

DK SCRUB OUT

EIGHTS · March 2015

How can those sieges destroy Zerg?
Zerg people don't stay at one place to be hit. XD

Galalin · March 2015

EIGHTS wrote: »

How can those sieges destroy Zerg?
Zerg people don't stay at one place to be hit. XD

You just need to time it right... i watched it happen all day long.

I personally was siege bait a lot of the day... dodge roll... block... heal... watch the cover fire from guildies destroy the squirrel chasers.

How can you not?

DK SCRUB OUT

Manoekin · March 2015

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Galalin · March 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

EIGHTS · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

EIGHTS wrote: »

How can those sieges destroy Zerg?
Zerg people don't stay at one place to be hit. XD

You just need to time it right... i watched it happen all day long.

I personally was siege bait a lot of the day... dodge roll... block... heal... watch the cover fire from guildies destroy the squirrel chasers.

How can you not?

DK SCRUB OUT

Sieges are no use at Zerg.
They are running around before you hit them.

I think you're an EP player, you don't really know about Zerg.

Increasing the damage of sieges only increase the difficult of attacking a Keep.
But if Zerg players hit a Keep, sieges are useless at all.

Galalin · March 2015

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

And if you think siege is not effective in breaking up a zerg... well... i will leave that alone.

It may not kill them all but it sure breaks them up

DK SCRUB OUT

Rylana · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

DK SCRUB OUT

I am the zerg.

EIGHTS · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

And if you think siege is not effective in breaking up a zerg... well... i will leave that alone.

It may not kill them all but it sure breaks them up

DK SCRUB OUT

You should come to Thornblade (NA).
You will know what I mean.
And you will see how useless of sieges to Zerg. XD

Galalin · March 2015

EIGHTS wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

And if you think siege is not effective in breaking up a zerg... well... i will leave that alone.

It may not kill them all but it sure breaks them up

DK SCRUB OUT

You should come to Thornblade (NA).
You will know what I mean.

Been there... i prefer not waiting 5 min for a single skill to go off. We can fight pop locked AD with no lag on Haderus

DK SCRUB OUT

Galalin · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

DK SCRUB OUT

I am the zerg.

This is true ^^^

Manoekin · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

Make a video of 16 capturing a defended keep from outer 100% against actual 2 bars pop and I'll be impressed, even if it's against the absolute worst pvpers in the game. It won't happen though. Say what you want, but you can't siege a keep with max counter siege going against you and multiple groups of enemies hitting you from both sides with that number. You can move around and get some AP, but you won't even flag the keep unless you're at a tower siege keep.

Galalin · March 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

Make a video of 16 capturing a defended keep from outer 100% against actual 2 bars pop and I'll be impressed, even if it's against the absolute worst pvpers in the game. It won't happen though. Say what you want, but you can't siege a keep with max counter siege going against you and multiple groups of enemies hitting you from both sides with that number. You can move around and get some AP, but you won't even flag the keep unless you're at a tower siege keep.

Thats why we 50/50 and get in before 2 bars show up....hitting multiple keeps will be key now as well... making runs longer for the opposition.

DK SCRUB OUT

Tintinabula · March 2015

we held off an entire DC force at Alsewell today with TWO fire ballistas. I fired the other fired..I fired the other fired at the breach...one shot one shot one shot...was pretty boring.

Galalin · March 2015

Tintinabula wrote: »

we held off an entire DC force at Alsewell today with TWO fire ballistas. I fired the other fired..I fired the other fired at the breach...one shot one shot one shot...was pretty boring.

Maybe they should have hit both sides or not not just run in like lemmings. How about heals with purges? I don't exactly think it was boring because of the siege damage but more so the lack of skill of your opponents.... siege is still very survivable if your prepared.

DK SCRUB OUT

Minno · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

Its about time is all i can say... there will be much QQing for a while but i hope it stays this way. It was funny watching lemmings all day funnel in and die. Slowly ppl started adapting and battles because alot more strategic with multiple front sieges and timed pushes. Its not often i say good job or hats off to ZoS but.... Great job guys!!! This change was needed

DK SCRUB OUT

Tonight was a good night for PvP.

EskimoBrother · March 2015

frozywozy · March 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

Make a video of 16 capturing a defended keep from outer 100% against actual 2 bars pop and I'll be impressed, even if it's against the absolute worst pvpers in the game. It won't happen though. Say what you want, but you can't siege a keep with max counter siege going against you and multiple groups of enemies hitting you from both sides with that number. You can move around and get some AP, but you won't even flag the keep unless you're at a tower siege keep.

So what you're trying to say here is that you should be able to take a wall down with max counter-siege up? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Any battle in any great movie going on with defenders prepared for it always fail. Because defenders have the advantage of the walls and height. Best example is the battle of helms deep in LOTR - Two towers.

If you see numerous counter-sieges up dealing massive amount of damage to your group, it could mean two things :

- You engaged the next keep in line of the transit and defenders were expecting a hit
- You took too much time to bring the wall down until reinforcements arrived

Solution :

- Gear and spec accordingly to mitigate siege damage
- Redeploy from another angle

I'm not sure if your point is that you should be able to bring a wall down even with massive counter-siege on the wall but if that's the case, you should reconsider it. Defenders should always have the advantage because of walls and height. Not the other way around.

c0rp · March 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Huntler · March 2015

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

WebBull · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

It is not supposed to be PvP. It is AvAvA.

c0rp · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

I disagree. Taking a keep should require great numbers. The game was *** when a group of six would just go around taking keeps. The game is better now.

Observant · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

I play only on Haderus. .. i fight 2+ bars of AD everyday with 6-16 ppl... and we are almost always alone.... any AD there can verify this. Maybe you need to roll EP and come see for yourself what a zerg is.

DK SCRUB OUT

I am the zerg.

I am the zerg.

Huntler · March 2015

WebBull wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

It is not supposed to be PvP. It is AvAvA.

c0rp wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

I disagree. Taking a keep should require great numbers. The game was *** when a group of six would just go around taking keeps. The game is better now.

Ah great numbers, you mean the amount of people that makes the server wheeze like a 500 pound man trying to run up a slightly inclined hill? This promotes zerging. Look beyond your guys love of 1 shotting people with ridiculously easy to use tools and thing about game balance for half a second.

Agrippa_Invisus · March 2015

I'll ask here as well -- how fragile are people's builds that they're getting one shot by even a fire treb?

Between keeping Igneous Shield up on myself and my natural HP reserve, I've not had the displeasure. Fire trebs hurt like a mother, but I quickly get out of the red, use some cover, and heal up.

c0rp · March 2015

Huntler wrote: »

WebBull wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

It is not supposed to be PvP. It is AvAvA.

c0rp wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

The game is now working as intended. It is supposed to be HARDER to take a keep than to defend it. They designed the game like this, and it was also how it was promoted in the beginning. The keeps were designed so that a smaller group could hold off a larger group with siege. For I dont know many months now (until now) that was not even possible.

PVP is fun again. Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler

The ratio of defenders needed to defend against a number of attackers is whats out of whack, he isn't saying defenders should have an advantage. They should have an advantage. Right now, however, the ratio I spoke of is insanely lopsided. And this isn't PvP, its a disgrace to even call it that. You're playing whack-a-mole with something completely anti-MMO, its disgusting.

I disagree. Taking a keep should require great numbers. The game was *** when a group of six would just go around taking keeps. The game is better now.

Ah great numbers, you mean the amount of people that makes the server wheeze like a 500 pound man trying to run up a slightly inclined hill? This promotes zerging. Look beyond your guys love of 1 shotting people with ridiculously easy to use tools and thing about game balance for half a second.

Hardly. It requires people working together and attacking at multiple entry points to disperse defenders and make their job harder. Again, this change will require many people to change their playstyles. You should get in game and start trying to do that, instead of spending so much time here complaining.

c0rp · March 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I'll ask here as well -- how fragile are people's builds that they're getting one shot by even a fire treb?

Between keeping Igneous Shield up on myself and my natural HP reserve, I've not had the displeasure. Fire trebs hurt like a mother, but I quickly get out of the red, use some cover, and heal up.

As a vampire, I am also able to avoid being one shot if I am properly prepared. When I am not, and get caught in the red circle I pay the price, and I love it.

Satiar · March 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I'll ask here as well -- how fragile are people's builds that they're getting one shot by even a fire treb?

Between keeping Igneous Shield up on myself and my natural HP reserve, I've not had the displeasure. Fire trebs hurt like a mother, but I quickly get out of the red, use some cover, and heal up.

I have to go back to HP stacking. Was really enjoying my high stam, high regen

c0rp · March 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I'll ask here as well -- how fragile are people's builds that they're getting one shot by even a fire treb?

Between keeping Igneous Shield up on myself and my natural HP reserve, I've not had the displeasure. Fire trebs hurt like a mother, but I quickly get out of the red, use some cover, and heal up.

I have to go back to HP stacking. Was really enjoying my high stam, high regen

Glass Cannons actually have to play the role now eh?

Manoekin · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

Make a video of 16 capturing a defended keep from outer 100% against actual 2 bars pop and I'll be impressed, even if it's against the absolute worst pvpers in the game. It won't happen though. Say what you want, but you can't siege a keep with max counter siege going against you and multiple groups of enemies hitting you from both sides with that number. You can move around and get some AP, but you won't even flag the keep unless you're at a tower siege keep.

So what you're trying to say here is that you should be able to take a wall down with max counter-siege up? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Any battle in any great movie going on with defenders prepared for it always fail. Because defenders have the advantage of the walls and height. Best example is the battle of helms deep in LOTR - Two towers.

If you see numerous counter-sieges up dealing massive amount of damage to your group, it could mean two things :

- You engaged the next keep in line of the transit and defenders were expecting a hit
- You took too much time to bring the wall down until reinforcements arrived

Solution :

- Gear and spec accordingly to mitigate siege damage
- Redeploy from another angle

I'm not sure if your point is that you should be able to bring a wall down even with massive counter-siege on the wall but if that's the case, you should reconsider it. Defenders should always have the advantage because of walls and height. Not the other way around.

It makes sense in real life, but in a game it defeats the purpose. As someone else suggested to me (and as I pointed out) I will need to bring a zerg with me to take a keep now. The point of saying this is that it completely goes against the logic of the changes as mentioned in this thread and ZOS's directive of splitting people up. My only options are to PvDoor or bring a zerg.

Maybe I'm an idiot for thinking PvP should be between actual players, and the outcome not decided on who has more siege.

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Took a group of 12 to a keep today and got bombed with siege while 20 reds harassed us. All that told me was 12 people wasn't enough and I should bring a zerg with me next time that far outnumbers the defenders I expect, because even if before the patch my 12 players were better than the overall combined number of red in that keep, now we just get one shot by siege until everyone is finally dead -_-

It honestly feels like every single person is running around with emp oil level siege, which was completely nerfed because people didn't like being one shot. So I say to ZOS, bring back emp siege bonus versus players unless you are afraid...

Lol you were on haderus while we farmed massive AP? There were 16 of us vs pop lock AD... AD mindless zerging was hilarious... when we were taking things earlier AD 2 bars EP 16 ppl we took objectives outnumbered being very mindfull of counter siege... AD just did the usual throw yourself at the objective and stack up.... was unbelievably funny.

Its not like you don't have access to the same siege and tactics... you just chose not to use em

DK SCRUB OUT

Make a video of 16 capturing a defended keep from outer 100% against actual 2 bars pop and I'll be impressed, even if it's against the absolute worst pvpers in the game. It won't happen though. Say what you want, but you can't siege a keep with max counter siege going against you and multiple groups of enemies hitting you from both sides with that number. You can move around and get some AP, but you won't even flag the keep unless you're at a tower siege keep.

Thats why we 50/50 and get in before 2 bars show up....hitting multiple keeps will be key now as well... making runs longer for the opposition.

DK SCRUB OUT

So you are saying you accomplished something by 50/50ing keeps which is basically PvDoor? I can do that too, but it's no fun fighting guards.

Huckdabuck · March 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I'll ask here as well -- how fragile are people's builds that they're getting one shot by even a fire treb?

Between keeping Igneous Shield up on myself and my natural HP reserve, I've not had the displeasure. Fire trebs hurt like a mother, but I quickly get out of the red, use some cover, and heal up.

So far I'm appreciating the feel of Cyrodiil at the moment.....very beta/launch-esque.

2 days ago
My V3 Werewolf DK.....siege hurt but not a problem since I have GDB and Igneous Shield. Everyone was still stacking and not moving out of bad.

Yesterday
My V2 Vampire NB.....took a few one shots.....while moving from one circle to the next but meh. Everyone was stacking but continuously moving out of bad.

Tonight
My VR14 Vampire Sorc....will see how it goes and I'm a full magika build so it could be painful if I lose my situational awareness for a couple of seconds while taking/defending something.