You wanted more video proof of lag, here you go
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ZOS_BrianWheelerPvP & Combat LeadWrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
you sir are my freaking hero!0 -
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✭heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
you sir are my freaking hero!
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why the sad face @heroofnoneb14_ESO ? lolEdited by Gorthax on March 24, 2015 6:18PM0 -
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✭heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
you sir are my freaking hero!
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why the sad face @heroofnoneb14_ESO ? lol
You're seeing other heroes than me! That and I tapped post reply too soon lol good research though 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hopefully it is something that can be easily fixed to where we can move on to catching more lag causers assuming there are more.0 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
@ZOS_BrianWheeler, just a shot-in-the-dark hunch from one dev-kinda guy to another... it's probably the knockback calculations that are the big culprit
, especially when certain people are spamming it and canceling it (unsure of the method they're using). I talked about this in TS when someone mentioned that meteor was associated since it came to mind immediately as the thing that could impact much serverside. P.S. Add a toggle to disable screen shaking from abilities like that and frankly dungeon bosses, please, it's very annoying 
. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on March 24, 2015 6:37PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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✭I am hoping they actually look into making it so meteor cant be reflected by a freaking shield and magickal wings anymore! I was so excited when he said they were gonna look into what they can do about it!2 -
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✭Please keep us updated on the reflect and lag issue @ZOS_BrianWheeler !! Thank you for being so responsive!! You have no clue how appreciated it is!!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.0 -
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✭Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is the giant bubble ultimate right? If so that thing is amazing lol I never use it but i love when other people do
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✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
@ZOS_BrianWheeler, just a shot-in-the-dark hunch from one dev-kinda guy to another... it's probably the knockback calculations that are the big culprit, especially when certain people are spamming it and canceling it (unsure of the method they're using). I talked about this in TS when someone mentioned that meteor was associated since it came to mind immediately as the thing that could impact much serverside. P.S. Add a toggle to disable screen shaking from abilities like that and frankly dungeon bosses, please, it's very annoying .
@Attorneyatlawl yes, so much yes!0 -
Zhoyzu✭✭✭✭✭Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
yea pretty crazy huh that a GIANT METEOR can be reflected right... @ZOS_BrianWheeler any plans on making this a NON reflectable projectile since, you know, it is a GAINT ROCK flying through space to a target location, and NOT a spell projectile? I mean over load i can understand, but meteor....come on lol makes no sense my good sir! Even a sword and shield can reflect meteor.....that makes ZERO sense as well. everything else in the game I understand, but those two things reflecting a giant rock hurling through space at them is just insane.
BRB reflecting dark anchors back into coldharbour.
Oh a meteor!?! F U Space take that *** back!
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✭✭✭✭✭Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is one of those spells that can turn tides of battles, especially in keeps.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
@ZOS_BrianWheeler, just a shot-in-the-dark hunch from one dev-kinda guy to another... it's probably the knockback calculations that are the big culprit, especially when certain people are spamming it and canceling it (unsure of the method they're using). I talked about this in TS when someone mentioned that meteor was associated since it came to mind immediately as the thing that could impact much serverside. P.S. Add a toggle to disable screen shaking from abilities like that and frankly dungeon bosses, please, it's very annoying .
It's not being spammed and canceled, players are trying to use ultimates and other abilities and they just aren't working.0 -
Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭"More meteors" ........ Yeah people need to get banned for doing this intentionally.3
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Karamis_Vimardon✭✭✭✭Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is one of those spells that can turn tides of battles, especially in keeps.
I slot it instead of a healing ult on my heal bar, 20K instant shield with ult return AND I can keep buffing and healing while it's up PC NA
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Mountain_Dewed✭✭✭This all just baffles me. Why are. I mean why isn't Zen. Don't they... arg, It doesn't seem 2 and 20 -
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✭✭✭✭✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is one of those spells that can turn tides of battles, especially in keeps.
I slot it instead of a healing ult on my heal bar, 20K instant shield with ult return AND I can keep buffing and healing while it's up
My only problem with it (shields in general) is that I do not get the resources back while it is up from taking damage with the heavy armor passive. I suppose that is a good time to use heavy resto attacks when needed while it is up.0 -
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✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is one of those spells that can turn tides of battles, especially in keeps.
I slot it instead of a healing ult on my heal bar, 20K instant shield with ult return AND I can keep buffing and healing while it's up
My only problem with it (shields in general) is that I do not get the resources back while it is up from taking damage with the heavy armor passive. I suppose that is a good time to use heavy resto attacks when needed while it is up.
well I would sure hope you wouldnt considering your life is not being affected as long as damage shields exist.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »Everyone should have that skill deslotted and despeced now.
I'll try to get new players on DC side to avoid it.
Minno the problem is ep will NOT deslot any ability they can hard spam and exploit lag with. This is just their new favorite toy. And until ZOS disables it I see no reason not to slot it to use against ep.
Not discrediting that part either. But the skill right now does nothing for us anyway. It's dmg is eh, makes us lag, and takes up a spot for barrier/ other ultimates.
The more people off it, the better.
The damage is eh?
No. The damage is "phuckin eh!" - people don't use abilities that suck and aren't efficient.
Only can say what I have first hand with.
When I used it, it was for knock back potential but ended up hating it because it's can be reflected and I got zero kills from it.
I don't know. I was using it on my Templar because its still cheaper than Nova, and the extra in Nova really requires someone to synergize it; and that's not going to happen from range.
That was my rationale for using it. I've since replaced it with barrier. Going to look into horns to add that "command immersion. ".
Also, other morph of nova ads movement reduction. Is say that is better than relying on synergy procs.
Hmm Barrier might actually be nice in my current build and I know I have been in groups where people were wanting someone to have it. I wonder if I am high enough support level to get it yet.
Barrier is one of those spells that can turn tides of battles, especially in keeps.
I slot it instead of a healing ult on my heal bar, 20K instant shield with ult return AND I can keep buffing and healing while it's up
My only problem with it (shields in general) is that I do not get the resources back while it is up from taking damage with the heavy armor passive. I suppose that is a good time to use heavy resto attacks when needed while it is up.
well I would sure hope you wouldnt considering your life is not being affected as long as damage shields exist.
Yeah; I get the reasoning behind it, its just a choice to make as a tankier character for more mitigation yet over the little resource management you have. And really; looking at the strength of the shield and its returns, it looks like it will be worth it a lot more than my blazing shieldm which is much weaker and is causing me to lose some of those resources. I still have a quarter of a support level to go before I can get it though.
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✭✭✭✭✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »"More meteors" ........ Yeah people need to get banned for doing this intentionally.
That was me saying more meteors, in a sarcastic way. You do realize there is conversation before that particular snippet of video right? sheeshTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
EIGHTS✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Wrobel and the combat team are digging into what they can do about it
I really don't thanks to you.
You should do it very long time ago!!
This doesn't happened recently!!
But it becomes worst and worst.
My 2nd post at this forum talked about this!
That day was November 14, 2014.
Sorry for my poor English. I do not mean to be rude!
But I'm really angry and VERY UPSET with this!!
ESO is a very good game! But it will be destroyed by LAG!
Edited by EIGHTS on March 25, 2015 1:16PMI'm not native speaker in English. I hope that I don't make you misunderstand.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_PaulSage here you guys go! Just watch AND listen.....video says it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHYIowOVBI
I was here for this (completely lagged out in the back corner). What OP doesnt tell you is that there are 20 EP inside the keep. There are over 60 AD standing on that front flag, or above on the ring, and all of those meteors are being cast by AD from the roof of the inner. There were still more AD all around the courtyard. Was probably the biggest yellow lagzerg I have ever seen.
Zaz was literally deposed with his entire group alive on the flag because so many AD forces capped the flags with sheer volume of numbers.
In this particular instance, AD caused the lag, not EP.Edited by Rylana on March 25, 2015 2:02PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »well I am not saying it was EP but this didnt happen (no meteors were going off) until about 50 reds showed up then BAM insta lag city and then the meteors came.
"We weren't having to use abilities until the other faction showed up" is how this reads.
Of course they showed up in force. Read the chat in video, it's the last emp keep, and there's obviously a scroll in there. I see plenty of reds still alive on those flags, yet they flip from weight of numbers. There must have been a lot of AD inside of that keep.
There were so many AD inside of the keep (the emp group had about 20 members of GOS, and there were a few red pugs around too, not many though) that halfway through I got kicked to char select error <<1>> and couldnt get back in. On teamspeak I heard Zaz frantically calling for flag stacking and the front flag flipping without any AD appearing on it, but the entire red raid standing there.
The video is deceptive, after we all died, it was plainly obvious there were more than twice as many AD you can see, not even rendering in video. Right after the red group dies look at the flood leaving the keep. Its insane. Id estimate 60 inside the keep and 20 outside of it. Overkill, but they caused the lag, not us.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭@Rylana No one is saying EP caused it, please read. I said it never happened until EP showed up and there were a crap ton of us in the keep. THAT is what I was saying. I even said I was not accusing anyone. sheeeeeeeesh
EDIT: To clarify, in one of my other comments I even stressed that because I didnt want it to come off like that which I realized it did come off like that and I wanted to make it clear that it was NOT my intention to make it come off like thatEdited by Gorthax on March 25, 2015 2:14PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Rylana No one is saying EP caused it, please read. I said it never happened until EP showed up and there were a crap ton of us in the keep. THAT is what I was saying. I even said I was not accusing anyone. sheeeeeeeesh
Well your like second post in the thread made it sound like our "reinforcements" which were the other 10 or so members of the guild coming back in from the courtyard were the start of the lag. Id been lagging from go. We all knew it would be, thats the name of last emp keep game.
What I didnt count on, nor did the rest of us, is that literally three full raids of AD would all come into the keep at once. I know your group had eight, but all taken together do you even realize how many AD were there? We stopped counting heads on the outer at about 50.
I did find it rather telling that about 1 minute into your vid some cocky dude was calling for "more meteors" like they knew what it was causing.Edited by Rylana on March 25, 2015 2:17PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »"More meteors" ........ Yeah people need to get banned for doing this intentionally.
That was me saying more meteors, in a sarcastic way. You do realize there is conversation before that particular snippet of video right? sheesh
Yes I do realise that. Do you realise that you yourself has meteor on your bar and are spamming it relentlessly just before you asked for more meteors? I stand by my statement.
*Edit* oh yeah, sheeesh.Edited by Suhxtob-yu on March 25, 2015 2:29PM0