Optional and VERY challenging solo content (suggestion&poll)

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Ok, like many others have pointed out, the solo PVE of this game is waaaay too easy for experienced players. I know that the game has to be easy for those new to it, just bad at it, or very casual players. I've got no problem with that.

But, I have veteran rank char that can solo dolmens 3 levels higher then me. Dolmens my level doesn't make me lose more then 10% hp. I can solo public dungeons way higher than me. Everything is a stomp out of proportions. I created an alt yesterday (now lvl 20) and I literally oneshot EVERYTHING, it's like attacking pieces of paper.

My suggestion is for ZOS to add optional and very challenging scalable solo "dungeons" in every zone. It doesn't have to be massive and take a lot of work to make. 1-2 bosses and/or a huge amount of enemies stacked up in a cave would be sufficient enough. We just need some sort of challenge!! Noobs won't be forced to play it. And because it's scalable they can go back and do it when they have reached veteran ranks and become better at the game.

These solo caves or dungeons or whatever could have leaderboards like trials, give 1 skill point, and drop nice loot scaled to your level.

And, before you come here whining about zos' focus on solo content. NO, I don't want this "instead" of better PvP, I want BOTH challenging solo and great PvP (better performance, arena ++).

if u support this and wanna help, please make a comment or something with ur answer so that this post doesn't dissappear from front page within minutes.

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Great idea!

maybe solo trials would be a proper name for it

Hypertionb14_ESO · March 2015

Great idea!

How about a Difficulty Slider?

with Normal being the current levels, Easy being enemies only doing 50% damage and taking 50% more damage.

and Hard being Enemies Hitting 200% as hard and only taking 50% damage

everyone gets something

but yes, there is going to be something like solo trials in one of the next major PvE zones.

JD2013 · March 2015

Great idea!

Great idea. Some more challenging solo content would be welcome. But there should also be more challenging group content added, too. This is an MMO after all, and grouping is an integral part of any MMO.

SLy_Kyti · March 2015

Great idea!

I want delves or caves that take hours to explore or complete, that reward a skill point for finding and killing all the bosses or better yet, for finding the objectives that are guarded by traps, puzzles, lava AND bosses. But hours to go through, feeling like a whole new area, rewards unobtainable unless you complete the whole thing.
Available to a group as small as two, rewards leveled to one of three difficulties : hard, very hard, Impossible.
And no special gear sets dropping, no. No white crappoloa either.
A skill point for each mode hard, very hard, impossible. And a achievement dye for the impossible mode. White. Real white.
And a set of Ginsu knives. Just because.

[Edited to take out skill points, cause... ya know...I heard it's lame]

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Great idea!

JD2013 wrote: »

Great idea. Some more challenging solo content would be welcome. But there should also be more challenging group content added, too. This is an MMO after all, and grouping is an integral part of any MMO.

I agree that more group content would be nice, but as it stands both challenging solo content and PvP should be of higher priority. Groups got both vet dungeons and trials, but PvP is laggy as *** and solo has no challenge to it and theres truly nothing competetive about it.

Shinra · March 2015

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LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

My suggestion is for ZOS to add optional and very challenging scalable solo "dungeons" in every zone. It doesn't have to be massive and take a lot of work to make. 1-2 bosses and/or a huge amount of enemies stacked up in a cave would be sufficient enough. We just need some sort of challenge!! Noobs won't be forced to play it. And because it's scalable they can go back and do it when they have reached veteran ranks and become better at the game.

Don't add skill points in there then... As soon as there is a skill point or quests, players will "need" it. And of course, they will complain about the difficulty. And then the content will be nerfed and we are back where we started

Also, there already is challenging solo content. Soloing craglorn (delves and dailies) is pretty challenging. But oh well, it's not "marked" as solo content.

And well, at last there is Wrothgar. The new solo zone will hopefully have some sort of solo-trials as well as other challenging solo stuff.

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Great idea!

Shinra wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

My suggestion is for ZOS to add optional and very challenging scalable solo "dungeons" in every zone. It doesn't have to be massive and take a lot of work to make. 1-2 bosses and/or a huge amount of enemies stacked up in a cave would be sufficient enough. We just need some sort of challenge!! Noobs won't be forced to play it. And because it's scalable they can go back and do it when they have reached veteran ranks and become better at the game.

Don't add skill points in there then... As soon as there is a skill point or quests, players will "need" it. And of course, they will complain about the difficulty. And then the content will be nerfed and we are back where we started

Also, there already is challenging solo content. Soloing craglorn (delves and dailies) is pretty challenging. But oh well, it's not "marked" as solo content.

And well, at last there is Wrothgar. The new solo zone will hopefully have some sort of solo-trials as well as other challenging solo stuff.

Skill points aint needed, theres already crazy amounts of skyshards and skill points in the game. If people complain about it then their voice shouldn't be considered valid imo.

Yeah, I really hope wrothgar will bring challenging solo content to the table:)

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2015

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SLy_Kyti wrote: »

I want delves or caves that take hours to explore or complete, that reward a skill point for finding and killing all the bosses or better yet, for finding the objectives that are guarded by traps, puzzles, lava AND bosses.

I want that, but as group content. At them moment you don't have to care about any boss mechanic in vet dungeons as they are dead before anything can happen.

SLy_Kyti · March 2015

Great idea!

...If people complain about it then their voice shouldn't be considered valid imo.

Ah nah man...you didn't just ask for input then say that didya?

sad kyti

pppontus · March 2015

Never gonna happen, sorry. Everything in this game is getting nerfed to the lowest possible difficulty

JD2013 · March 2015

Great idea!

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Great idea. Some more challenging solo content would be welcome. But there should also be more challenging group content added, too. This is an MMO after all, and grouping is an integral part of any MMO.

I agree that more group content would be nice, but as it stands both challenging solo content and PvP should be of higher priority. Groups got both vet dungeons and trials, but PvP is laggy as *** and solo has no challenge to it and theres truly nothing competetive about it.

Whilst I do agree that the solo content is no real challenge in the game, There is a wealth of solo content in the game. 1 - 50 and all of the VR levels I did mostly by myself. Group content is few dungeons, PVP and Craglorn. Anchors I can solo easily. Same with the Mage and Fighters Guild quest lines.

I am not disagreeing that some more challenging solo content would be a great thing though. It certainly would.

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Great idea!

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

...If people complain about it then their voice shouldn't be considered valid imo.

Ah nah man...you didn't just ask for input then say that didya?
sad kyti

well he did put it like if he wasn't of that same mindset himself.

It's like the other day I saw a guy review eso complained about all spells using magicka, like stamina morphs didn't even exist. He had 3 hours played. It aint valid feedback if it's totally wrong. And saying you "need" skill points in challenging optional solo trials when theres 1000 other skill points around is wrong isn't it?

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

How about a Difficulty Slider?

with Normal being the current levels, Easy being enemies only doing 50% damage and taking 50% more damage.

and Hard being Enemies Hitting 200% as hard and only taking 50% damage

everyone gets something

but yes, there is going to be something like solo trials in one of the next major PvE zones.

@Hypertionb14_ESO , I don't know why this one keeps getting beat into the ground. Programmatically, it would be one of the easiest things to implement and it would cover all content.

Adjust to suit.

The hardest part would be gear drops (esp if you scale it down.)

SLy_Kyti · March 2015

Great idea!

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

...If people complain about it then their voice shouldn't be considered valid imo.

Ah nah man...you didn't just ask for input then say that didya?
sad kyti

well he did put it like if he wasn't of that same mindset himself.

It's like the other day I saw a guy review eso complained about all spells using magicka, like stamina morphs didn't even exist. He had 3 hours played. It aint valid feedback if it's totally wrong. And saying you "need" skill points in a challenging optional solo trials when theres 1000 other skill points around is wrong isn't it?

Well...yeahhh....but...well...yeah.

Ok edited my original post...but I still insist on the knives.

michael_bimson · March 2015

Great idea!

How about a massive increase in the freedom to approach the game? A scaling / difficulty slider so that you can make everything (including vet dungeons and trials) a challenging solo experience or able to increase the challenge for dungeons to allow twelve man groups into them as a 'mini trial' and everything in between. Literally make it play your way.

Want to take a 6 man group through Fungal Grotto? No problem, the dungeon is scaled to your group leader's rank and the group size. Want to try and two man or solo AA? Go for it, it won't be a walk-over but you will have a chance.

It always surprises me that, in a game intended to appeal to as broad a section of players as possible, content is made specifically for individual sections of the player base*.

Edit
*I don't mean PvE and PvP here, just that there's PvE content not intended for some PvE players.

sigsergv · March 2015

There is another option — skills you are using are too overpowered and need to be slightly balanced.

Mountain_Dewed · March 2015

I see a lot of great ideas on the forums but has anyone seen Zen use any of them? What I mean is that I'm thinking Zen has a ton of their own ideas and can't even use a third of them due to time and the main reason...money.

I bet this game(and many others) could be absolutely mind blowing if it wasn't backed by a major business minded corporation.

eserras7b16_ESO · March 2015

Great idea!

I love the idea

But I would love Arenas even more, PvP arenas with 1v1, 2v2, 3v3... This would add to solo content never ending.

AlienSlof · March 2015

Great idea!

More options are always good for any game's longevity.

lihentian · March 2015

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well, it could be fun~~ though it might be better to give player the option to bring one friend to help..

hmm how about making it a solo difficulty instance that you can group for it? so people want challenge can solo through, ,while people not that confident could grab a friend or two~~

Kragorn · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

How about a Difficulty Slider?

with Normal being the current levels, Easy being enemies only doing 50% damage and taking 50% more damage.

and Hard being Enemies Hitting 200% as hard and only taking 50% damage

everyone gets something

but yes, there is going to be something like solo trials in one of the next major PvE zones.

@Hypertionb14_ESO , I don't know why this one keeps getting beat into the ground. Programmatically, it would be one of the easiest things to implement and it would cover all content.

Adjust to suit.

The hardest part would be gear drops (esp if you scale it down.)

This is an MMO, a 'difficulty slider' can't work in areas where you're not on your own .. that means only exclusively solo dungeons .. apart from the Main Story and Fighters/Mages Guild quests those don't exist in ESO.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

How about a Difficulty Slider?

with Normal being the current levels, Easy being enemies only doing 50% damage and taking 50% more damage.

and Hard being Enemies Hitting 200% as hard and only taking 50% damage

everyone gets something

but yes, there is going to be something like solo trials in one of the next major PvE zones.

@Hypertionb14_ESO , I don't know why this one keeps getting beat into the ground. Programmatically, it would be one of the easiest things to implement and it would cover all content.

Adjust to suit.

The hardest part would be gear drops (esp if you scale it down.)

This is an MMO, a 'difficulty slider' can't work in areas where you're not on your own .. that means only exclusively solo dungeons .. apart from the Main Story and Fighters/Mages Guild quests those don't exist in ESO.

@Kragorn , sure it can. It's not so much that it would necessarily scale the enemy effectiveness up, but rather scale your effectiveness down.

Making content harder on your end would scale down your effective Armor Class, Damage output, Healing received and would scale up your damage taken, etc. Positive effects would last shorter durations, negatives longer. Higher skill costs/break free's, etc.

The base level would be the mob as it currently is now.

It would be like reverse battle leveling, essentially and would not imbalance the content for anyone else in the room, as the enemies would never be less hard than they are now.

EDIT: I realize this would only allow upscaling (invalidating part of my earlier post), which would mean there would be no need to modify the drop routines at all.

jasonquigley646_ESO · March 2015

I don't care

Keep dreaming.....its cute. This isn't meant to be a solo game, it's an MMORPG. Go play Skyrim on the hardest difficulty or Dark Souls if you want to stroke your solo play ego lol.

Kragorn · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

How about a Difficulty Slider?

with Normal being the current levels, Easy being enemies only doing 50% damage and taking 50% more damage.

and Hard being Enemies Hitting 200% as hard and only taking 50% damage

everyone gets something

but yes, there is going to be something like solo trials in one of the next major PvE zones.

@Hypertionb14_ESO , I don't know why this one keeps getting beat into the ground. Programmatically, it would be one of the easiest things to implement and it would cover all content.

Adjust to suit.

The hardest part would be gear drops (esp if you scale it down.)

This is an MMO, a 'difficulty slider' can't work in areas where you're not on your own .. that means only exclusively solo dungeons .. apart from the Main Story and Fighters/Mages Guild quests those don't exist in ESO.

@Kragorn , sure it can. It's not so much that it would necessarily scale the enemy effectiveness up, but rather scale your effectiveness down.

Okay, I see where you're coming from .. it's just that the suggestion for a 'slider' gets raised often and mostly talked about affecting mob 'power' rather than that of the player's character, hence my comments.

There is still an issue though, even if it's aimed at making your character less effective, many will then say they want more XP or better rewards and at that point my comments come back into view.

Mantic0r3 · March 2015

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There is no solo content which is challanging to everyone and at the same time rewarding to do.

Waste of dev time!

Folkb · March 2015

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Seriously though I'd like mobs to be a bit more challenging not just by making them dmg sponges though I'd like to see them do more of the moves associating with the classes they are and weapons they're using and perform them as quick as a player character does; make it feel more like I'm fighting a player.

Jitterbug · March 2015

Great idea!

I would like some form of atunement bosses you can test yourself out on, various hard mechanics, rage timer etc.
Extra awesome would be if they were player classes (DK, NB, temp, Sorc) or variations there of.

LEGENDARYYY · March 2015

Great idea!

jasonquigley646_ESO wrote: »

Keep dreaming.....its cute. This isn't meant to be a solo game, it's an MMORPG. Go play Skyrim on the hardest difficulty or Dark Souls if you want to stroke your solo play ego lol.

The game is meant to be played in many different ways isnt it.... Solo is one very important part of that. So yeah, it's meant to be a solo game, + PvP and grouping.

All parts of the game should be rewarding, competetive and challenging imo (in my DREAM)

Kas · March 2015

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very challengening solo content sounds liek a dream. but as solo content it will all come down to finding the build that deals with it perfectly and, once known, can be used for everyone witht the right clas /items to breeze through it. imho it will be super hard to create content that is mechanically challengening and not brken by something like reflect, blink, port, damageshields, magma armor, negate, whatever comes to mind

Emma_Overload · March 2015

Great idea!

Great Idea!

Solo Trials should have been a part of Craglorn from Day 1.

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