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This is the true P2W for you ppl complaiming about xp pot !!!

  • Sevalaricgirl
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    The thing is, you never have to pay....ever. You don't need those potions. What happened to gaming for entertainment, to have a immersive experience. I've spent a ton on SWTOR but none of it on stuff to make me a better gamer, it was all clothes and vehicles for my 8 characters. Did I need to do it, no. Did I need to buy the horse in ESO's store...no. Do you need to buy the XP potions....no.

    Not to mention XP potions are there to help f2p players get some of the XP they are losing to subbed players. But no one says you have to spend any money on it. If people don't spend the money, ZOS will put stuff in the store that people will spend money on, better armors, other mounts, customization.

    And for the person who said none of us should stand by the decisions ZOS makes....1) it's their game...2) they are a company that's trying to make money off a game. That's all there is to it. You either stay and play or go find another game.
    Edited by Sevalaricgirl on March 23, 2015 9:36AM
  • sean.plackerb14_ESO
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    can CP be respecced like skills and attributes?

    Yes the respec option for CP shows up in the Champion system UI.
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  • Razzak
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    The thing is, you never have to pay....ever. You don't need those potions. What happened to gaming for entertainment, to have a immersive experience. I've spent a ton on SWTOR but none of it on stuff to make me a better gamer, it was all clothes and vehicles for my 8 characters. Did I need to do it, no. Did I need to buy the horse in ESO's store...no. Do you need to buy the XP potions....no.

    Not to mention XP potions are there to help f2p players get some of the XP they are losing to subbed players. But no one says you have to spend any money on it. If people don't spend the money, ZOS will put stuff in the store that people will spend money on, better armors, other mounts, customization.

    And for the person who said none of us should stand by the decisions ZOS makes....1) it's their game...2) they are a company that's trying to make money off a game. That's all there is to it. You either stay and play or go find another game.

    I imagine you either don't or don't intend to play at end game dungeons and trials, PVP or other competitive aspects of ESO. And it's not a question if you need to pay, it's a question of why those that do pay, have an advantage at what they can do when they are playing those competitive parts I mentioned.

    If you want an analogy ... Imagine you not receiving the same rewards as other players. You don't need to get them ... ever, but for the game to make you feel like you have succeeded at something, it also has to make you feel like you are playing with the same privileges. 50% and more bonus XP for CP gain, will make many feel like they are playing with brakes applied. And if real currency is the only real solution for that, it is P2W. Or getting very close to that.
  • sadownik
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    Folkb i agree but the devil in ESO is called champion points. Due to very long grind it requires every bit that helps shortening it is dangerous - people will fall for it belive me. And since it looks that champion points do give a nice chunk of advantage the game will become even less balanced, playerbase even more fragmented, like we dont have enough of fragmentation already.
    Edited by sadownik on March 23, 2015 10:13AM
  • 1mirg
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    Not to mention XP potions are there to help f2p players get some of the XP they are losing to subbed players.
    XP boosts (or in this case referred to as "Potions") are more for everyone. It's something implemented into a mmo so players can get more xp than they usually will so they can level faster or such but without making it seem like they are directly paying to get to a higher level
    ZOS will put stuff in the store that people will spend money on, better armors, other mounts, customization.
    All I gotta say is that armor and mount better not have good stats
    You either stay and play or go find another game.
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  • Muizer
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    Ace_SiN wrote: »
    ArcheAge is P2W at its finest. Sure you can get everything by in game means, but the RNG to get the high tier gear is less than 1% per piece(and we're talking hundreds of thousands to millions of gold easy).


    But.......but..........but, if you can get the item in game, buying it only saves you time, right? So they're really just convenience items and not p2w at all!

    Edited by Muizer on March 23, 2015 10:35AM
    Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!
  • McDoogs
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    nimander99 wrote: »

    ESO was never developed for the above situation. It was made for the fans of the series.

    AHhahahahhahahha. ZOS will do whatever they can to make as much money as possible, don't ever doubt that. That's the primary purpose of the gaming industry as a whole, brotato
    Edited by McDoogs on March 23, 2015 12:03PM
  • guybrushtb16_ESO
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    Majic wrote: »

    Full agree. Just because there is something even more p2w out there doesn't mean this isn't p2w at all.
  • Lifsteinn
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    I believe 50% xp increase is too much, 20% or less would be ok.
  • kokoandshinb14a_ESO
    DDuke wrote: »
    That is exactly how I'd feel if I had to open Cash Shop & chug a potion every 2 hours.

    no one in ESO says you have to use exp pots.

    People who have an abundance of time to play these MMOS, but cant afford 14/mos to a set amount of in game currency, or have an extra 10.00 to buy in game currency can still level a they are doing so right now.

    For people like me who work too much, have kids, and families, I welcome the emans to bridge the gap that powergamers have the niche in.

    If people cant afford buy whatever is in the cash shop, this game is still lets you play free and powergame if you have the time.
  • DDuke
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    DDuke wrote: »
    That is exactly how I'd feel if I had to open Cash Shop & chug a potion every 2 hours.

    no one in ESO says you have to use exp pots.

    People who have an abundance of time to play these MMOS, but cant afford 14/mos to a set amount of in game currency, or have an extra 10.00 to buy in game currency can still level a they are doing so right now.

    For people like me who work too much, have kids, and families, I welcome the emans to bridge the gap that powergamers have the niche in.

    If people cant afford buy whatever is in the cash shop, this game is still lets you play free and powergame if you have the time.

    Oh, but that's where you're wrong. In order to keep up with the other people who play a lot and drink potions, I would have to use those potions. Paying to stay competitive (winning) = P2W.

    Regarding your argument about working & family... that's the Galileo argument, a fallacy.

    Also, it's funny how you think "power gamers" wouldn't also be using potions non-stop. These people are extremely competitive, and will do anything it takes to stay on the top. This not only leaves you unable to catch up to the "power gamers", but actually simply makes the gap larger.

    Only thing they grant you is an expensive illusion, nothing else.


    For instance, being self-employed, I could easily buy every potion they throw in the store. Yet, I possess the ability to realize how those potions will not lead to a better game, and how they corrupt the whole competitive element of the game, and a MMO without competitive elements (beyond "who's got the most money") is not worth playing in my honest opinion.
    Edited by DDuke on March 23, 2015 12:45PM
  • Ryuho
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    In Aion we had potions boosters.. XP potion boost, and AP potion boost, but with reasonable CD 24hrs.. and that was okey, u get higher exp/AP gain for 2 hrs and need to wait 22 hrs to pot again. Acording to post, where som1 posted a screenshot of ESO exp potion, ZOS plans only 2hr CD and potion stays for 2hrs duration.. thats mean u will be able to drink potion evry 2 hrs to boost ur exp by 50%.. It's insane.. You can get perma 50% boost to exp, if u can effort for it.. CD should be 10 hrs at least!!
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  • birch44
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    Could xp pots lead to actual P2W items? Of course. I personally refuse to get my panties in a twist over it. Someone getting to 3600 cp before me isn't really that big of a deal. All the Chicken Littles need to get a grip. It doesn't matter how much you pitch a *** about this. If ZoS wants to implement P2W they will. I think they care about their player base a little more than that. They will make more than enough money selling wedding dresses.
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  • Nijjion
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    I think we need a new term for xp p2w... should be P2GSQ.... Pay to get stuff quicker.

    P2W and P2GSQ is not the same :)
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  • kokoandshinb14a_ESO
    Ryuho wrote: »
    In Aion we had potions boosters.. XP potion boost, and AP potion boost, but with reasonable CD 24hrs.. and that was okey, u get higher exp/AP gain for 2 hrs and need to wait 22 hrs to pot again. Acording to post, where som1 posted a screenshot of ESO exp potion, ZOS plans only 2hr CD and potion stays for 2hrs duration.. thats mean u will be able to drink potion evry 2 hrs to boost ur exp by 50%.. It's insane.. You can get perma 50% boost to exp, if u can effort for it.. CD should be 10 hrs at least!!

    you too can have access to this benefit if you your subscription LIKE YOU WERE BEFORE LAST MONDAY....
  • DDuke
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    Nijjion wrote: »
    I think we need a new term for xp p2w... should be P2GSQ.... Pay to get stuff quicker.

    P2W and P2GSQ is not the same :)

    With this you imply that everyone would get to the same point eventually, like in other MMOs (e.g. level cap).

    However, with Champion System there is virtually no level cap. On average, it takes you 9-10 years to get 3600 CPs, and they can just as easily add in another 3600 before you ever reach that.

    It is much more than just "pay to hit max level quicker, then everyone is equal".


    It is more like throwing money at a power granting hamster wheel and making it spin faster. P2W.


    If the "stuff" you refer to is equal power with Player X who chugs these potions, it will never happen. Player X will also keep gaining power and there are no real limits on it. If it never happens, then "P2GSQ" doesn't really exist, and the potions are just P2W plain & simple.

    I hope this makes sense, I tried to explain it as well as I could.
    Edited by DDuke on March 23, 2015 1:24PM
  • pppontus
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    Seeing as ESO was already grind 2 win, I don't care about xp pots. Unless you want to waste your life there was no way you could keep up anyway, might as well get used to it. At least now I can grind new alts faster and still not really be competetive :D

    But in the end, this was gonna happen and if it stops here.. I am still enjoying the game, I never really cared so much about the leaderboards etc. anyways, sure it was fun to be there but eventually you have to grind and/or pay to be there .. so whatever.

    As long as I have fun I'll continue playing, once I'm not, I won't.

    You have to realise that it's a hamster wheel, and avoid jumping on it. If you get on it, you'll find yourself grinding 'til your eyes bleed and having x amount of charges on your CC for XP Pots. But what you have to realise is most people who will do that, they will quit, really really fast.. as they'll get burned out and then jump to the next game.
  • DODHitman
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    So then whats everyones thoughts on people like me that still pay the "sub" and get the extra "exp" bonus in comparison to those who dont? Is that not the same thing?? Am I now categorized as a pay to win? I havent seen this mentioned yet, and I am curious. If it has, sorry I missed it.
    Edited by DODHitman on March 23, 2015 1:40PM
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  • minnisville
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    I really don't see the "xp pot" thing like some of you do. Why do you care if someone else gets from a to b quicker than you? So what...There are plenty of people that wont be using pots, and by the time you get there, guess what, there are plenty of people just like you there. And, by the time its all said and done, you will be right there with the people that spent hard earned money to get where you are for free..That's their bad...I would feel like a fool to pay to get some where I could have gotten to for free.
    The only reason anyone would really want to buy an xp pot anyway is;
    1: They have a RL and dont have the time to put into the game that their friends are playing and want to keep up with them, so they can all play together when they do play.
    2: Have some OCD to where they just HAVE to beat EVERYONE there.
    3: Have the complex of "Keeping up with the Jones'es"...
    XP pots are not the gateway drug of ESO!
    Wait till you see some weapons/armor/fighting pet's..etc, before calling foul..and the sky is falling!
  • Cry_Wolfe
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    Folkb wrote: »
    GW2 has XP potions, they were pretty useless. Even the potions for their AvA; no one really used them and it definitely didn't make them anyone more powerful.

    It all depends on the implementation. The Devil is in the detail.

    GW2 has Gems, which you can trade to get gold which oyu can then buy the most powerful gear with.

    did you know, that if you put a frog into a pot of water, then slowly increase the temperature, it won't realise that it is getting hotter till its too late and its already getting boiled alive.

    Caution ZoS, ESO is only one step removed from Bethesda. Some poo always sticks, and its not a good look for the cash cow :P
  • ItsMeToo
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    Ley wrote: »
    A video speaks a thousand words, thank you!

    and they all start with F
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  • Suhxtob-yu
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    Ninrod86 wrote: »

    Omg, my sides are hurting right now.

    Why can't you hurt me? Because I pay! Fudge you, I pay!

    Lmao pure epicness
  • RealRobD
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    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    I would have nothing against XP pots if not for Champion System

    So you're special and have some magical insight that proves definitively that XP pots will affect the Champion Points System? Or let me guess here... you're just making an assumption?
  • VincentBlanquin
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    if this pot is installed, it will work well as Zeninax intended ...

    some people rather die horrible death than be ever killed by some credit card warrior, which will dance over their corpse and giving them advices )) to prevent this situation, they buy pots.

    some people cant survive that someone who was equal with them week ago, is now better and beat them at pvp repeatedly, thanks to that xp pots so they will buy that pots too

    congratulation zenimax, dollars are coming.... (only instanced pvp is needed for biggest effect)
    Edited by VincentBlanquin on March 23, 2015 1:54PM
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  • Mountain_Dewed
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    I dunno if it's still like it is but go to Star Citizen web page and see the astronomical prices for things people are paying for and the game isn't even released yet, thousands I tell ya, thousands!

    I looked at it about a month ago.
  • DDuke
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    2: Have some OCD to where they just HAVE to beat EVERYONE there.

    Yep, that's me right there. And guess what; there's nothing wrong with it.

    I am not paying to beat everyone, and I sure won't tolerate other people paying money to beat me.


    Welcome to the world of online gaming, where competition exists (atleast until it becomes P2W).

    If you don't want to play a competitive game, find one where other players don't exist. Then you can pay all you want to win.

    Edit: majority agrees with me (4.8% margin of error, still left with majority in either case)
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159484/do-you-want-p2w/p1
    Edited by DDuke on March 23, 2015 1:56PM
  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    DDuke wrote: »
    That is exactly how I'd feel if I had to open Cash Shop & chug a potion every 2 hours.

    no one in ESO says you have to use exp pots.

    People who have an abundance of time to play these MMOS, but cant afford 14/mos to a set amount of in game currency, or have an extra 10.00 to buy in game currency can still level a they are doing so right now.

    For people like me who work too much, have kids, and families, I welcome the emans to bridge the gap that powergamers have the niche in.

    If people cant afford buy whatever is in the cash shop, this game is still lets you play free and powergame if you have the time.
    Just because you have a busy life doesn't mean you should have a shortcut in a game. What people are just not grasping here is that it starts with a potion that increases XP and soon enough there becomes this arms race as to who can drop the most amount of cash to become as powerful as possible. You can dress these potions up as "convenience" items for busy people, but it doesn't stop the non busy people from also using them. That means you really don't get to catch up at all because the guy who doesn't have kids is also using the pots. Do you seriously not get this?
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  • DDuke
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    DDuke wrote: »
    That is exactly how I'd feel if I had to open Cash Shop & chug a potion every 2 hours.

    no one in ESO says you have to use exp pots.

    People who have an abundance of time to play these MMOS, but cant afford 14/mos to a set amount of in game currency, or have an extra 10.00 to buy in game currency can still level a they are doing so right now.

    For people like me who work too much, have kids, and families, I welcome the emans to bridge the gap that powergamers have the niche in.

    If people cant afford buy whatever is in the cash shop, this game is still lets you play free and powergame if you have the time.
    Just because you have a busy life doesn't mean you should have a shortcut in a game. What people are just not grasping here is that it starts with a potion that increases XP and soon enough there becomes this arms race as to who can drop the most amount of cash to become as powerful as possible. You can dress these potions up as "convenience" items for busy people, but it doesn't stop the non busy people from also using them. That means you really don't get to catch up at all because the guy who doesn't have kids is also using the pots. Do you seriously not get this?

    Cognitive dissonance seems to be a common here.
    You can explain them in a hundred different ways that 2+2=4, yet they'll still insist it's 5.

    They'll realize some day they were wrong, I just hope it won't be too late then for the rest of us... :/
  • The_Drexill
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    Ace_SiN wrote: »
    That's one of my favorite vids of all time and he's a funny streamer. I like when he says "you lose cause you no pay". ArcheAge is P2W at its finest. Sure you can get everything by in game means, but the RNG to get the high tier gear is less than 1% per piece(and we're talking hundreds of thousands to millions of gold easy).

    I had a blast in ArcheAge until the whales took over. Watching the bad PvPers(people that were stomped before they were geared) be able to take on 20+ by themselves turned the game into a crapfest.

    It is unfortunate. Me and my wife had a ton of land in Sandeep, we were doing really well and enjoying it alot... I was wiping the floor with everyone in PvP np... then before long, people were not only spending hundreds or *thousands*, but bragging about it.

    There was that one guild, cant remember the name... but the GM was literally a millionaire irl and spent $1,000 per person for his guildies... the whole guild was insanely geared.

    Archeage had alot of potential, and Trion crapped the bed. I hope we don't say the same about ZoS in 10 months.
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  • Naor_Sarethi
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    nimander99 wrote: »
    Great upload! Games like Archeage and Neverwinter were the dev say "you can earn everything in game" then make the most epic items and enchants un-lockable at .001% is a total joke.

    What people NEED to understand is that these games were developed exactly as they were intended! They created horridly p2w games to appeal ONLY to the whales and then call them f2p to bring in thousands of suckers for their whales to kill.

    ESO was never developed for the above situation. It was made for the fans of the series.

    Was it though?
    Then why is the game so unlike the actual series?
    Why isn't Bethesda doing the work and Zenimax publishing it?
    Skyrim hyped people for ESO and ESO will unhype everyone for TES VI, if it goes on like this.
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