eso plus membership and dlc: my pow

lihentian · March 2015

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

Chelo · March 2015

Disagree...

Laerian · March 2015

1. Subscription: You pay $15 /30 days and you get:

- A stipend of 1500 Crowns per month, given at the start of the subscription period
- Access to all DLC for the duration of your membership
- A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, and crafting research and inspiration

2. B2P

IF you want to buy crowns, 1500 cost $15

Now, since there are no DLC yet, and probably you don't want to buy crowns, it is very simple: don't subscribe.

Xjcon · March 2015

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

Haqikah · March 2015

The ESO plus membership package seems fine to me.

How Zenimax will manage the upcoming new content releases is a totally different matter. Zenimax has not revealed yet which new content will be accessable to everyone and which contents access needs to be bought in the crownstore.

We have been teased with quite a lot of new content, but so far it is up to Zenimax how to monotize that.
I can imagine that the spell-crafting system will be open for everyone (due to being a huge system change). However the new areas (clockwork city, orsinium, citadel) most likely will be pushed via the crownstore. Then there is content that is somewhat in the grey area (to my opinion): the thieves guild and dark brotherhood; I think they can be released either way (free for all or via the crownstore).

What I am missing at the moment in the crownstore is something that will coerce the players to concurrently make purchases in the crownstore, thus generating a (more or less) constant flow of revenu. This can be keys to open certain treasure chests (idea borred from GW2), extra character slots, extra banking space, unlock dyes and services such as character changes (gender, appearance, race, etc), server transfers.
Currently the crownstore contains too few items to generate a healthy revenu. But I hope to be proven wrong!

Exstazik · March 2015

Laerian wrote: »

1. Subscription: You pay $15 /30 days and you get:

- A stipend of 1500 Crowns per month, given at the start of the subscription period
- Access to all DLC for the duration of your membership
- A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, and crafting research and inspiration

2. B2P

IF you want to buy crowns, 1500 cost $15

Now, since there are no DLC yet, and probably you don't want to buy crowns, it is very simple: don't subscribe.

all will be depends on DLC price.MAybe it's will be better to buy "5500 pack" , buy DLC+exp potions instead of prem.Who knows:) Just need to wait for the prices

Danikat · March 2015

Exstazik wrote: »

Laerian wrote: »

1. Subscription: You pay $15 /30 days and you get:

- A stipend of 1500 Crowns per month, given at the start of the subscription period
- Access to all DLC for the duration of your membership
- A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, and crafting research and inspiration

2. B2P

IF you want to buy crowns, 1500 cost $15

Now, since there are no DLC yet, and probably you don't want to buy crowns, it is very simple: don't subscribe.

all will be depends on DLC price.MAybe it's will be better to buy "5500 pack" , buy DLC+exp potions instead of prem.Who knows:) Just need to wait for the prices

That's what I'm doing. Without DLC the subscription definitely doesn't seem worth it to me. When DLC comes out I'll decide (and probably reassess on a monthly basis) what's the best way for me to get what I want from it.

Whov · March 2015

My sub now all depends on these new 50% exp pots I keep hearing about. If my sub that I pay for constantly only gets me 10% why would I sub when I could just use that money to buy these pots instead. But that all depends on how much they cost too I guess.

Gidorick · March 2015

In my ESO Subscription Benefits Suggestion post I suggest many things that would make the sub more enticing. Many people have discussed ideas that would make the subscription more appealing and ZOS has 100% completely ignored us.... so don't hold your breath.

As for the teleportation, in the above linked post I suggest that Subscribers be given access to:

Gidorick wrote: »

[*] Waystone with a 24 hour cooldown

This Waystone is a larger Wayshard, an item I've suggested for the Crown Store here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150448/portable-wayshrine-pieces

The Waystone and Wayshards allow players to teleport anywhere on the map, regardless of the presence of a Wayshrine.

GreySix · March 2015

Chelo wrote: »

Disagree...

With some of it?

With all of it?

Like it the way it is with no changes?

Mercutio · March 2015

It occurred to me that there is an easy way to make subscriptions more valuable and thus keep more money flowing for things like DLC:

For every month of a subscription add an extra 100 crowns to the 1500 given.

If someone subscribes for three months, they would get 1600 in month one, 1700 month 2, etc.

Some players would become more and more loathe to cancel their subs and halt their Crown allotment advancement.

Gidorick · March 2015

Mercutio wrote: »

It occurred to me that there is an easy way to make subscriptions more valuable and thus keep more money flowing for things like DLC:

For every month of a subscription add an extra 100 crowns to the 1500 given.

If someone subscribes for three months, they would get 1600 in month one, 1700 month 2, etc.

Some players would become more and more loathe to cancel their subs and halt their Crown allotment advancement.

Love the idea but 100C is WAAAY to much. At most I would say 50.

After 5 years a player that's remained subscribed will get 4500 per month instead of 7500. Realistically, 25C would be a reasonable amount. After 5 years a player would receive 3000C per month.

Wonderful Idea. I would 100% remain subscribed for this type of perk.

Obscure · March 2015

They want my money, I want good content. I pay for good content. It's literally that simple.

5 more crowns or 5000 more crowns doesn't improve the value of the subscription, if anything it devalues it. The things available become an issue of "so what? I have tens of thousands of crowns, why stay subbed to get even more? Nothing I want is coming out."

What subscribers should get:
- Subscriber exclusive flair items
- Subscriber exclusive sub forum
- Subscriber exclusive Q&A with the dev team
- Subscriber exclusive monthly e-pub containing artwork, game lore, and development news

This could be done by diverting the "ESO LIVE" cast to specifically cater to subscribers.

People like to think they're part of something special, and all it takes is catering to that. It's literally that simple.

Gidorick · March 2015

Obscure wrote: »

They want my money, I want good content. I pay for good content. It's literally that simple.

5 more crowns or 5000 more crowns doesn't improve the value of the subscription, if anything it devalues it. The things available become an issue of "so what? I have tens of thousands of crowns, why stay subbed to get even more? Nothing I want is coming out."

What subscribers should get:
- Subscriber exclusive flair items
- Subscriber exclusive sub forum
- Subscriber exclusive Q&A with the dev team
- Subscriber exclusive monthly e-pub containing artwork, game lore, and development news

This could be done by diverting the "ESO LIVE" cast to specifically cater to subscribers.

People like to think they're part of something special, and all it takes is catering to that. It's literally that simple.

That would make me sub too!

I like the idea that subs have more 'input' into the game. Creating a sub community would be great... I don't know if ZOS cares about subs that much though.

ZOS_AlanG · March 2015

Thank you for all of the ESO+ feedback, we're happy to hear any ideas.

kodo · March 2015

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

BlackEar · March 2015

Obscure wrote: »

They want my money, I want good content. I pay for good content. It's literally that simple.

5 more crowns or 5000 more crowns doesn't improve the value of the subscription, if anything it devalues it. The things available become an issue of "so what? I have tens of thousands of crowns, why stay subbed to get even more? Nothing I want is coming out."

What subscribers should get:
- Subscriber exclusive flair items
- Subscriber exclusive sub forum
- Subscriber exclusive Q&A with the dev team
- Subscriber exclusive monthly e-pub containing artwork, game lore, and development news

This could be done by diverting the "ESO LIVE" cast to specifically cater to subscribers.

People like to think they're part of something special, and all it takes is catering to that. It's literally that simple.

Nothing you listed is good content.

Arreyanne · March 2015

I agree the DLC's should be handled just like DCUo handles them:

F2P/B2P must purchase whatever DLC they wish to play

If you are a subscriber at the time the DLC is released it should be active whether or not u unsub in the future

My DCUO account went inactive for over a year, when I resubbed I got all the DLC's

Paying a sub and then being charged for a DLC if your sub expires is double charging someone that is supporting the game with a monthly fee

LameoveR · March 2015

Paying a sub you can take a look at new DLC content without buying it directly and decide whether it is necessary to you.

lihentian · March 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

kodo · March 2015

lihentian wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

yes, but if u cancel the sub after u bought dlc with crowns,than u no longer have access to the dlc.

JasonSilverSpring · March 2015

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

yes, but if u cancel the sub after u bought dlc with crowns,than u no longer have access to the dlc.

That is not true fortunately. Once you buy DLC with crowns it is yours to play with or without sub. If you are subbed you could play DLC without using crowns.

kodo · March 2015

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

yes, but if u cancel the sub after u bought dlc with crowns,than u no longer have access to the dlc.

That is not true fortunately. Once you buy DLC with crowns it is yours to play with or without sub. If you are subbed you could play DLC without using crowns.

i checked it in various places here, once u cancel sub the dlc is gone, youre the first who says the opposite.can someone confirm that ?

Ysne58 · March 2015

The other thing to keep in mind, if you play on both the NA and EU servers, like I do, if you want that DLC on both servers you will have to pay twice because of the way the crown store is set up. The crowns themselves are account wide but what you pay for is only on the server you purchased it on. I think this is overdoing the greed here and just plain wrong.

Either both crowns and purchases should be account wide or neither should be. In the long wrong this policy is going to hurt ZOS, it's already devaluing their damaged reputation and may even be illegal in some countries.

Knight150 · March 2015

Subs fine, won't complain if they throw in more though, bring back the loyalty reward scheme though for subscribers.

Knight150 · March 2015

kodo wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

yes, but if u cancel the sub after u bought dlc with crowns,than u no longer have access to the dlc.

That is not true fortunately. Once you buy DLC with crowns it is yours to play with or without sub. If you are subbed you could play DLC without using crowns.

i checked it in various places here, once u cancel sub the dlc is gone, youre the first who says the opposite.can someone confirm that ?

Doubt its gone (crown store items) as you are given the crowns with your sub so you have effectively bought it. What you might lose access to in the future would be DLC (maps, dungeons, expansions) that you either have to pay for or get as part of the sub.

Xendyn · March 2015

@kodo
What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?

ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership:

That's from the FAQ, so yes, you are correct

Varicite · March 2015

kodo wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Is this the equivalent to asking for free to play? Is that the new trend? Beg for the dlc that hasn't even come yet?

First, this game is b2p, not f2p.

Second, i just want to be able to play with all my friend~~ or should i ask all my friend to become eso plus member instead? not sure if that work

p.s. you seem very angry? i wonder why.. if you believe everyone who don't sub don't deserve to play, then perhaps the b2p model change already prove that it doesn't work

kodo wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Personally i don't find eso plus membership very attractive, personally i believe a little more addition could be added to sweeten the deal. my suggestion is:
1) free teleportation (save some time to travel to nearest shrine.)
2) extra bag/bank space- lets say an extra 50 bag space and 100 bank space shouldn't be too much to ask.. right?

As of DLC, i do agree that game company need to make money. but putting all future game content is not good for the health of the game. because once there are too many dlc it discourage people from entering the game. now we have a 60$ bar entry fee, which could potential reach over 200$ with several dlc.. which is more expensive then some of the life time sub. Plus dlc content separate company base, for example i have four friend. one of them is eso plus member with all content, other two have bought some dlc but not all, i been the new player with no dlc together. when we play together we can only do free content, because i don't have any dlc.. and those two friend with dlc might not own the same dlc.. which force that eso plus member friend to play alone or finding other eso member to play with.

IMO the best way to do it is to give most of the update for free, while give eso member extra goodie such as special theme mount/outfit/pet. say we get dark brotherhood release.. a especial version of the DB outfit/shadowmare could be given to eso memeber for free, while normal player have the choice to unlock through crown. Once a year or two there could be an expansion with mass game content for people to buy..

p.s. everything above is just personal opinion, they may not be right or even make sense. Really like the game so far, hoping to contribute slightly through suggestion.. please do bare with me. thanks

i cancelled subscription just because of the dlc issue.i mean,what's the point? as a member they give u points (crowns )each month, lets say a dlc comes out and u want it, u spend the crowns, but the dlc will be there only as long as u keep the membership.so if i spent 5000 crowns on dlc,and week later i cancelled the sub, i lost the dlc,it's gone..
i much prefer to pay with real money when dlc is out, and then it stays for always.seems better that way.no ?

when you sub you get the equivalent amount of crown that can be used to buy dlc.. so for now it is 15$ per month and you get 15$ worth of crown as well.. so if you want 5000 crown you buy 4 month of sub and you have 4 month of membership and enough crown to buy dlc..

this is why am against putting content in the dlc. they can do an expansion once a year or two.. if they put game content in dlc not only that it separate player base, also for anyone want all dlc, it is still basically a full time sub game.. which will lead to majority of the b2p player base not getting some/all dlc..

yes, but if u cancel the sub after u bought dlc with crowns,than u no longer have access to the dlc.

That is not true fortunately. Once you buy DLC with crowns it is yours to play with or without sub. If you are subbed you could play DLC without using crowns.

i checked it in various places here, once u cancel sub the dlc is gone, youre the first who says the opposite.can someone confirm that ?

The poster you quoted is correct.

Once you pay for the DLC w/ Crowns, you now own that DLC regardless of whether you stay subbed or not.

If you were subscribing and a DLC came out, and you played and got items from the DLC areas but never actually PAID for that DLC and THEN unsubbed, you will keep the items you obtained but lose access to the DLC areas

If you pay for the DLC, it's yours for as long as the game (and model) continue. If you are subscribing and don't pay the Crowns, then you are just "renting" the DLC.

"Do I lose all items and rewards earned from DLC if my ESO Plus membership ends?

No. You will lose access to the DLC areas and quests should your membership lapse (unless you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store), but you will keep all items and rewards earned through the content."

Source: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq

As you can see, it clearly states in the official FAQ that if you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store, you will keep access to the DLC areas and quests even if your membership lapses.

Hope that helps. : )

kodo · March 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

@kodo
What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?

ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership:

That's from the FAQ, so yes, you are correct

exactly .
access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership
meaning when member ship is gone ,so does the access to the all the dlc's

so,it's not worth it. thanx xendyn

Varicite · March 2015

kodo wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

@kodo
What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?

ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership:

That's from the FAQ, so yes, you are correct

exactly .
access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership
meaning when member ship is gone ,so does the access to the all the dlc's
so,it's not worth it. thanx xendyn

You're interpreting this incorrectly. I posted where the FAQ shows that you keep access to the DLCs if you pay for them.

All that excerpt says is that if you unsub from ESO+, then you lose access to the DLC that you didn't pay for. That's exactly what you were told.

But if you feel it isn't worth it anyway (and you seem to be looking for a reason to be right, imo), then it's probably not worth it for you.

/shrug

RainfeatherUK · March 2015

I wont comment on what I think of your suggestions. I'll likely be banned.

The system they have is fine. I really dont understand the issue. The ESO+ subscription is hardly different from what they had before...

You pay for access to the game, which includes the future DLC. You stop subbing, you lose access to it - just like you would have when the game was sub only.

Infact this time you can actually play something, even if you arent subbed. So you get enough for free imo.

Im already sick of the F2P freeloaders

and the worst of them have yet to turn up. Praise be to the box cost.

(PS ZoS please charge them through the roof for dlc lol >.>)