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Experience boosts are PAY2WIN
pecheckler
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real money = crowns
crowns = experience boosts
experience boots = faster experience gain
faster experience gain = more experience
more experience = more champion points
more champion points = better stats
better stats = stronger character
stronger character = win
crowns = experience boosts
experience boots = faster experience gain
faster experience gain = more experience
more experience = more champion points
more champion points = better stats
better stats = stronger character
stronger character = win
End the tedious inventory management game.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good thing there aren't already another half dozen threads about this on the first three pages.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"3 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭Right solution here is to block potion effect on CP, only for more faster leveling, but no bonuses to CP gain speed.Edited by Rydik on March 21, 2015 2:58AM4
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Being unemployed = more time
More time = more experience
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Unemployed to win. Or U2Win needs to stop. Ban all unemployed players from the game. I demand justice.
Life is not fair. Suck it up.Edited by ElliottXO on March 21, 2015 10:44AM16 -
You'll have much more serious problems than XP potions with that logic:
money = crowns
crowns = dlc
dlc = new gear
new gear = stronger character
stronger character = win3 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Player plays 10 hours a day gains exp
Player plays 5 hours a day gains less exp, I guess playing is play to win I suppose LOL Players will level at different rates with or with out exp pots, I don't plan on using them, don't care really.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Being unemployed = more time
More time = more experience
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Unemployed to win. Or U2Win needs to stop. Ban all unemployed players from the game. I demand justice.
Life is not fair. Suck it up.
Let me fix that for you:
Unemployed/Rich/Self-Employed = more experience
Unemployed/Rich/Self-Employed+more money = even more experience
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Khaldar✭✭✭If people want to cry about P2W, why aren't they crying about repair kits and souls?
If you buy repair kits via the Crown Store, you are turning $$ into gold by saving gold on repairs. By buying souls you are saving time and gold by spending $$. You can use that saved gold to by V14 purple/yellow gear. In one day of grinding, you can save 20k+ gold on repairs easily. Turning $$ to gold sounds like P2W by a lot of the whiners standards on these forums. But... get over it. It's here.
As an ESO+ member, you get 10% XP, 10% gold, +10% inspiration, etc... All of these time saving bonuses for money. The transition is starting.
I understand a lot of the whiners are sick of being picked on in other games because they can't afford to compete, but this isn't truly P2W. Everyone that argues it is fails to look at the actual numbers and what it takes to get to 1500 or 3000 CP by Potions and Grinding. It's an absurdly ridiculous investment in time and money.
Just because people can't trade food stamps for XP pots, doesn't mean ZOS has to cater to the poor. They are trying to make money not run a shelter for the homeless.
Edited by Khaldar on March 21, 2015 12:31PM1 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭are xp boost potions P2W , Yes but only in that they reduce the time it takes for you to reach the end of the leveling process . That also includes the Champion system .
XP boost potions do not provide player power that is only available from the crown store as such they are one of the weakest of the P2W items that can be sold in the crown store .2 -
Takhistis✭✭✭More threads about this= more LOL
NA-DC-NB VR1 Ilythrian
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Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pecheckler wrote: »real money = crowns
crowns = experience boosts
experience boots = faster experience gain
faster experience gain = more experience
more experience = more champion points
more champion points = better stats
better stats = stronger character
stronger character = win
Real money = Ring of Mara
Real money = ESO Plus
Mara & Plus = faster experience gain
more experience = more champion points
more champion points = better stats
better stats = stronger character
stronger character = win
Edited by Audigy on March 21, 2015 12:37PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »real money = crowns
crowns = experience boosts
experience boots = faster experience gain
faster experience gain = more experience
more experience = more champion points
more champion points = better stats
better stats = stronger character
stronger character = win
It's really not. It's allowing people to play at their pace but providing opportunities for them to get to endgame content to catch up if they are new or if they have alts.
Zenimax has built in a stupid VR grind and instead of removing the character VR levels like they suggested, they made the grind longer and added cp system too.
These opportunities are in line with play as you like.
Getting to VR14 is not winning
Leveling fast is not winning
Gaining tons of cp is not winning
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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People like you make me laugh. Make a thread about P2W when you actually understand game design, alright?0 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Orange=Fruit
Fruit=Apple
Apple=Orange
Perfect logic.
P2W has always meant (to me at least) buying something with real money that is only attainable through the store, not buying something that gets you ahead of the curve temporarily until others catch up. For instance, purchasing BIS gear from the store, where in game rewards will never equal it.
That said, I think it would be wise for ZoS to make xp potions affect only XP and not CP.1 -
LordSkyKnight✭✭✭✭✭Anytime you pay money from the cash shop to bypass standardized hurdles or mechanics in the game, you are paying to win. The OP is correct.
Stop using straw man tactics attempting to dismiss the obvious. People who disagree need a hard lesson in logic.
The whole central point in playing an MMO or any game rather is to make your character stronger and gain more skills. In a standard MMO, you are attempting to gain levels, skills, or champion points to make your character stronger. You need experience to gain these things and when you buy an item in the cash shop to increase the rate at which you gain these things; you are paying to win.
AND one more thing......
If the experience point potions stopped working once you hit VR 1, no one would give a crap. Its the fact that they will speed up champion gain which is pissing people off.
Edited by LordSkyKnight on March 21, 2015 1:16PM"And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all."
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Flynch✭✭✭✭LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anytime you pay money from the cash shop to bypass standardized hurdles or mechanics in the game, you are paying to win. The OP is correct.
Stop using straw man tactics attempting to dismiss the obvious. People who disagree need a hard lesson in logic.
The whole central point in playing an MMO or any game rather is to make your character stronger and gain more skills. In a standard MMO, you are attempting to gain levels, skills, or champion points to make your character stronger. You need experience to gain these things and when you buy an item in the cash shop to increase the rate at which you gain these things; you are paying to win.
AND one more thing......
If the experience point potions stopped working once you hit VR 1, no one would give a crap. Its the fact that they will speed up champion gain which is pissing people off.
Or you could be one of those mythical players (probably millions of them) who don't really care about all that jazz?0 -
Ashigaru✭✭✭✭LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anytime you pay money from the cash shop to bypass standardized hurdles or mechanics in the game, you are paying to win. The OP is correct.
Stop using straw man tactics attempting to dismiss the obvious. People who disagree need a hard lesson in logic.
The whole central point in playing an MMO or any game rather is to make your character stronger and gain more skills. In a standard MMO, you are attempting to gain levels, skills, or champion points to make your character stronger. You need experience to gain these things and when you buy an item in the cash shop to increase the rate at which you gain these things; you are paying to win.
AND one more thing......
If the experience point potions stopped working once you hit VR 1, no one would give a crap. Its the fact that they will speed up champion gain which is pissing people off.
No what is pissing them off is that someone might have something that they dont and they are too damn lazy to put the time in. I dont begrudge anyone for having a ton of CP's or vr14, they put in the time to get them and they deserve it. Now all you whining about the xp potions are shooting yourselves in the foot, with the xp pots you could get on even ground with them but you are too worried about it giving someone that is already ahead of you an advantage. I really hope Zos tells all of you to go *** in a bucket and does what they want to with this, they have already listened to the whiners "casuals" enough to screw the game over as it is.1 -
RealRobD✭✭✭The amount of people who have it in their head that these are p2w is a very insignificant number. So much so that if they all left the game, it wouldn't even register on ZOS's metrics.0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anytime you pay money from the cash shop to bypass standardized hurdles or mechanics in the game, you are paying to win. The OP is correct.
Stop using straw man tactics attempting to dismiss the obvious. People who disagree need a hard lesson in logic.
The whole central point in playing an MMO or any game rather is to make your character stronger and gain more skills. In a standard MMO, you are attempting to gain levels, skills, or champion points to make your character stronger. You need experience to gain these things and when you buy an item in the cash shop to increase the rate at which you gain these things; you are paying to win.
AND one more thing......
If the experience point potions stopped working once you hit VR 1, no one would give a crap. Its the fact that they will speed up champion gain which is pissing people off.
No what is pissing them off is that someone might have something that they dont and they are too damn lazy to put the time in. I dont begrudge anyone for having a ton of CP's or vr14, they put in the time to get them and they deserve it. Now all you whining about the xp potions are shooting yourselves in the foot, with the xp pots you could get on even ground with them but you are too worried about it giving someone that is already ahead of you an advantage. I really hope Zos tells all of you to go *** in a bucket and does what they want to with this, they have already listened to the whiners "casuals" enough to screw the game over as it is.
Because someone putting the time in to grind those CPs can't use XP potions as well to achieve an even bigger advantage?
You really think XP potions are going to help you in any way against those players?
The only thing XP potions do, is drive away the people who do not want P2W, in order to cater to a much smaller audience of Credit Card warriors & misled super casuals, who think their money is going to help them.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The amount of people who have it in their head that these are p2w is a very insignificant number. So much so that if they all left the game, it wouldn't even register on ZOS's metrics.
Funny how every other poster thinks he represents majority, without the foggiest whether that is true or not. Go vote if you think so:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159514/xp-boost-potions-poll-voice-your-opinion-huge-poll/p1Edited by DDuke on March 21, 2015 1:42PM0 -
Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Life is not fair. Suck it up.
It is perhaps because of this that everybody playing by the same rules is a major attraction of games in general. Usually, when people try to use leverage outside of the game rules it's called cheating. That's what these potions are, really: legalised cheats/exploits.
Edited by Muizer on March 21, 2015 1:50PMPlease stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Life is not fair. Suck it up.
It is perhaps because of this that everybody playing by the same rules is a major attraction of games in general. Usually, when people try to use leverage outside of the game rules it's called cheating. That's what these potions are, really: legalised cheats/exploits.
To add, in other competitive environments there's an element called fair play. So while life itself is not fair (and that is a good thing actually), hobbies & sports should aspire to be so.Fair competition
To enjoy the fruits of success it is not enough to win. Triumph must be scored by absolutely fair means and by honest and just play.
Sport without doping
Someone who takes drugs cheats. Someone who cheats ruins the game. Someone who ruins the game cannot be played with.
Equality
Competing on equal terms is essential in sport. Otherwise performance cannot be measured properly.
Integrity
Being honest and having strong moral principles are essential to fair play. Practicing sport within a sound ethical framework is vitally important if you aim to be a true champion.
http://www.fairplayinternational.org/fairplay/the-essence-of-fair-play#.VQ13IY6sXIc0 -
LordSkyKnight✭✭✭✭✭Life is not fair. Suck it up.
It is perhaps because of this that everybody playing by the same rules is a major attraction of games in general. Usually, when people try to use leverage outside of the game rules it's called cheating. That's what these potions are, really: legalised cheats/exploits.
You know something funny. The people who love spending extra cash to get an advantage always seem to drop to such baseless statements. Such as the statement you quoted for your post.
Edited by LordSkyKnight on March 21, 2015 2:02PM"And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all."
- Matt Firor0 -
Mountain_Dewed✭✭✭http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159514/xp-boost-potions-poll-voice-your-opinion-huge-poll#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159182/screenshot-50-experience-booster-zos-can-we-get-a-confirmation-or-further-details#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159213/to-all-of-you-who-think-exp-boosting-potions-are-pay-to-win-youre-wrong#latest
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Rhazmuz✭✭✭God forbid ZOS makes some money... Surely they should run and update ESO out of pure goodwill??!Rhazmuz - Nord DK tank
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Ley✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not complaining all day on forums = more time to play eso
more time to play eso = faster exp gain
faster exp gain = more cp
more cp = stronger character
stronger character = win!
The people who have convinced themselves that exp boosts are p2w will not be convinced otherwise.
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