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Should ZOS and ESO dabble in Mature Content?

  • Kaynlor
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    I think gamers want to be given the same respect that followers/readers/viewers of other media art forms are given. I choose to buy an age restricted product, movie, book, television show, the label tells me what to expect, nobody should be under any illusions about what is on offer, don't expect unicorns and rainbows or some virtual Narnia.

    The most ridiculous example of overbearing censorship I have seen in games was in the Stolen Memory mission of Mass Effect2. After breaking into a private art collection I noticed the famous "naked" statue of Michelangelo's David had suffered some considerable damage to it's underpants region in transit. As an art lover, I found it offensive that an image of one the greatest artworks in human history had been mutilated in order to pander to the moral minority, The Eight forbid that these people enter an actual museum, fig leaves for the statues most probably.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf
    From about 1530, the developing reaction to Renaissance freedoms and excesses that led to the Council of Trent also led to a number of artworks, especially in churches or public places, being altered to reduce the amount of nudity on display. Often, as in the famous case of Michelangelo's The Last Judgement, drapery or extra branches from any nearby bush was used. For free-standing statues this did not work well, and carved or cast fig leaves were sometimes added, such as with the plaster copy of Michelangelo's David displayed in Victorian era London.[3] The Adam and Eve panels on the Ghent Altarpiece, already equipped with fig leaves by Jan van Eyck, were simply replaced with 19th-century panels copying the figures but clothed. Many of these alterations have since been reversed, damaging some of the statues.
  • Wing
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
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  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Kaynlor wrote: »
    I think gamers want to be given the same respect that followers/readers/viewers of other media art forms are given. I choose to buy an age restricted product, movie, book, television show, the label tells me what to expect, nobody should be under any illusions about what is on offer, don't expect unicorns and rainbows or some virtual Narnia.

    The most ridiculous example of overbearing censorship I have seen in games was in the Stolen Memory mission of Mass Effect2. After breaking into a private art collection I noticed the famous "naked" statue of Michelangelo's David had suffered some considerable damage to it's underpants region in transit. As an art lover, I found it offensive that an image of one the greatest artworks in human history had been mutilated in order to pander to the moral minority, The Eight forbid that these people enter an actual museum, fig leaves for the statues most probably.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf
    From about 1530, the developing reaction to Renaissance freedoms and excesses that led to the Council of Trent also led to a number of artworks, especially in churches or public places, being altered to reduce the amount of nudity on display. Often, as in the famous case of Michelangelo's The Last Judgement, drapery or extra branches from any nearby bush was used. For free-standing statues this did not work well, and carved or cast fig leaves were sometimes added, such as with the plaster copy of Michelangelo's David displayed in Victorian era London.[3] The Adam and Eve panels on the Ghent Altarpiece, already equipped with fig leaves by Jan van Eyck, were simply replaced with 19th-century panels copying the figures but clothed. Many of these alterations have since been reversed, damaging some of the statues.

    Exactly, cultural regression. Censorship, restriction of freedom of expression etc......
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  • GreySix
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    I'm fine with the way it is.
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  • doggie
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    I remember in Age of Conan on the beta testing of "Dead mans hand", the player was told to investigate missing hookers from the brothel, you learn that all the hookers were pregnant at the time they went missing. You investigate and you find this tribe of half men / half ape in the jungle, they've kidnapped the pregnant hookers, put them in cages, and waiting for them to give birth because their favourite food is younglingsoup.

    That quest didn't make it to live, but the cages and apes are still in the solo dungeon.
  • eliisra
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    I'm no fan of oversized *** everywhere, booty shots, topless giggles and splatter. I'm not a teenage boy (or one at heart).

    If you pay attention there's already a fair bit gruesomeness in ESO. It's just not in your face, rather creeps up and surprises you. Go visit the meatbag catapult factory in Cyrodiil, for example. You're surrounded my bloated, carved and tortured bodies. Or the quest where hagravens suck out peoples eyeballs.

    Anyway, if they can add more mature content while still keeping it stylish and intelligent, I wouldn't oppose. Just dont want the game to be some cheap fan service.
  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Don't get me wrong I still enjoy the game but would enjoy it more if it was at least at the same "darkness" level as Skyrim or even Fallout which were not really that dark.

    Maybe we should change the emphasis of the post from mature content, as the word mature is loaded with all kinds of baggage to sophisticated intelligent and diverse, really need something fresh to liven up the grind and generic quests.
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  • Iago
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    They won't dabble in mature content afterall they felt the need to remove moonsugar and sweet rolls from the game.
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  • tengri
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    However... for me in this context "mature content" does not necessarily mean more pixel pron.
    Or more "boob-windows" on suits for that matter...
  • Mordack
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    I don't care either way but I'll admit it would be kinda funny to see Crown Store costumes based on the clothing you could buy in Daggerfall. :p
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  • Naor_Sarethi
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    a 2D naked girl costume yes please xD.

    No :<
  • ashlee17
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    Eso already has plenty of "mature" content.
    Read the conversations.

    If you need over sexualization watch pornography.
    If you need more gore play a horror game.
    There is no shortage of either on the Internet.
    I would hate to see this game devolve into a poor imitation of either.

    Sex and gore is not what this game is about. (thankfully)

    Elder scrolls online has stories and gameplay that runs deeper than graphic visuals and that is part of what makes the elder scrolls online rare and precious.
    Edited by ashlee17 on March 21, 2015 1:54AM
  • bloodenragedb14_ESO
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    i remember the strip club in morrowind......the source of my furry fetish i think
  • Tabbycat
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    i remember the strip club in morrowind......the source of my furry fetish i think

    Ah Suran's House of Earthly Delights. That was certainly a bit shocking to stumble upon the first time around.

    I think the game is fine as is but, as long as nothing breaks lore, I don't mind.

    I draw the line at naked people running around. Unless it's naked Nords. That would be fine.

    As for blood and gore, I think if added it should be toggleable much like you can toggle grass on and off. Although perhaps with a few settings of gore because perhaps one person likes a bit of blood splatter and another person enjoys body parts flying through the air. And too much gore may cause another person's computer to throw a fit. Plus you have to take into consideration how much additional lag would be added if the game has to render all this blood and body parts being flung about. Can you imagine PvP in Cyrodiil if they were to add all this blood and gore that some of you seem to want? By the way, I think you guys would make great Vampires and Werewolves.
    Edited by Tabbycat on March 21, 2015 1:47AM
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  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Do you think these issues arise because TESO has an identity crisis as the OP stated it seems to be walking the line between two ratings along with combining RPG elements with MMO. It is where it is and its stuck with a mature rating so it might as well embrace it and use this as an opportunity to evolve the game. Less Oliver Cromwell Puritan tyranny and more imagination. Tamriel does not need a Lord Protector. The Eight save us from righteous indignation.
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  • SG_Celerrimus
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    This entire time, the poll has stayed with a 73% yes and 25% stay the same.
  • Majic
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    No, the game's content theme is fine the way it is.
    For Mature Audiences Only

    ESO has plenty of problems, but a lack of "mature content" isn't one of them.

    Players who want more "adult" content won't stop playing if it's absent, but a large percentage of potential players not represented here either wouldn't want to or be able to play ESO if it contained too much. That's not just on a "family" level, because there are also significant legal restrictions on such content in a surprisingly large number of countries.

    ESO really doesn't need to narrow its marketability or appeal, thus more "mature" content is a losing proposition for the game, no matter how much some of us might want it.
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  • Arato
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    DanniBoi wrote: »
    This game is very M for what I have seen so far, people just want nudity for what I am seeing here. Why is there the need for nudity? There is plenty of strong themes in this game to keep adding that supposed mature content/nudity, because that is what most people apparently want. I do not want to see people naked ruining around, enough with those unnecessary "costumes"

    The game should have been rated T as it stands now. Enemies die in one piece with no blood, there's only TALK of darker subject matter like cannibalism, torture, drug addiction, etc, but it's never really experienced.

    It's like PG13 movies boasting about how much gun violence they have and the camera cuts away from all the kills.
  • Arato
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Majic wrote: »
    For Mature Audiences Only

    ESO has plenty of problems, but a lack of "mature content" isn't one of them.

    Players who want more "adult" content won't stop playing if it's absent, but a large percentage of potential players not represented here either wouldn't want to or be able to play ESO if it contained too much. That's not just on a "family" level, because there are also significant legal restrictions on such content in a surprisingly large number of countries.

    ESO really doesn't need to narrow its marketability or appeal, thus more "mature" content is a losing proposition for the game, no matter how much some of us might want it.

    We just want the same level of visceral content as Skyrim really.

    No more, no less.

    Currently we have less.
  • Glurin
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    I vote yes, but only if it fits. I'm voting for mature content. Not "mature" as in random crap aimed at hormone driven teenagers that society says they shouldn't be watching but they do anyway.

    It's all about the context.
    Edited by Glurin on March 21, 2015 6:16AM
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  • Nadijeh
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    I think they should, they have the rating anyways.
  • Tyx
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Glurin wrote: »
    I vote yes, but only if it fits. I'm voting for mature content. Not "mature" as in random crap aimed at hormone driven teenagers that society says they shouldn't be watching but they do anyway.

    It's all about the context.

    I see this like you.
    If ESO aims to have the same setting/feeling as AoC it would be wonderful. But I really don't wont to see Tera like armor and half-nudity. This would be immersion breaking.
    "Dark" mature content: great!
    Soft-*** content for 14 year olds: please not!
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  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    I agree with Arato, I think a lot of players just want the same level of maturity as Skyrim. It was great to hunt down the serial killer of Windhelm who was collecting body parts from women for his necromantic ritual and finally take the creep out. Also the weirdo necromancer in the ice cave who was abducting young women, murdering them and binding their souls to his will to be used as his guards and "companions". I think he was also having "relations" with his Draugr slaves. I loved wielding the sword of justice upon these vile wretches. Depth, purpose and just cause. Taste my steel, villain!!! Oh just remembered, Kids ordering assassination hits and a kid vampire assassin in Skyrim.
    Edited by ThirtySevenCoins on March 21, 2015 8:41AM
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  • Spottswoode
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    Arato wrote: »
    Nirn isn't a crapsack world or a dark fantasy world. There's plenty of death and darkness, but the world isn't over run by evil flooding everywhere. They should probably turn it up or down a little here and there.

    The single player games have more blood and gore, more vulgar language (such as Molag Bal's nickname in the House of Troubles), and Daggerfall even had topless females.

    That wasn't a refutation on my part. I was merely stating we should not turn it up to eleven just because a) there is a demand for it and b) we have the rating space for it.
    I regret to inform a lot of you of this, but 1994 is never going to happen again. You will not be allowed to kill and eat children in any large scale game release ever again. The media watchdogs will not allow it. Much as I would like to see this game get turned a little darker, I don't want this game involved in a media witch hunt. (I'm sure a lot of you remember the Hot Coffee incident.) I`m all for turning the dial up somewhat, but this game should not attempt to push the bar.
    Edited by Spottswoode on March 21, 2015 7:29AM
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  • Fat_Cat45
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    They sort of went into a darker tone with the new Coldharbour tutorial. Guy getting impaled on spikes, less lighting, and better threats from Molag Bal. Hopefully that's a preview of things to come. I'd like to see something grotesque like the bodies hanging in the towers in Oblivion gates from TES 4
  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Fat_Cat45 wrote: »
    They sort of went into a darker tone with the new Coldharbour tutorial. Guy getting impaled on spikes, less lighting, and better threats from Molag Bal. Hopefully that's a preview of things to come. I'd like to see something grotesque like the bodies hanging in the towers in Oblivion gates from TES 4

    Or the introduction of a new super villain voiced by Christopher Walken? Any suggestions for fantasy voice artists?
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    Ride out of Fort Ash towards the milegate and their is a burnt dismembered corpse hanging from rope... I think they are using the mature bit when they feel it adds to the game.

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  • TheShadowScout
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    Indeed, it would be wonderful is ESO went for a mature content level equal to the other TES games. Perhaps with a bit of "classic fallout 1&2" thrown in. Right now it feels a bit too "disarmed" in that regard...

    Its also true that too much would lessen the game. I am reminded of some Tv series who started adding unneccesssary scenes just to let them have an excuse for more gore and nudity. Not that showing either is bad - when it really fits the story at hand. Not when you make up excuses with your story to be able to fill your sex&violence quota.

    As for the media watchdogs... just look at some Tv series, game of thrones comes to mind... for me, that one has just the right mix. Doesn't go out of their way to show something like Spartacus-B&S occasionally did, but doesn't shy away from touching upon it either.
    I often find it a pity that the game industry seems to be more loath to go there then other entertainment branches, likely still following the "computer gamesa re for kids" stigma. Not that this ought to be an issue with the current rating, yes?

    (Also, yes, I too greatly enjoyed the kid vampire assassin in the dark brotherhood. Not that it was an original concept, but it added a nice darker touch to the already dark... brotherhood. Especially considering in what kinds of targets she would most logically specialize...)
  • ThirtySevenCoins
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    Yes, ESO should include more 'Mature' content and make full use of its current ratings.
    TheShadowScout, spot on. It's about the intelligent use of mature content not puerile content. Nobody wants trash.
    Edited by ThirtySevenCoins on March 21, 2015 8:33AM
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  • Seraphyel
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    There is not even "immature" content, how should they even think of mature content?
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