I agree @sigsergv xp boosters should only affect a small portion of the player base. Cyrodiil has so few players globally that it's really irrelevant. And are there really that many of us that give a toss about trials and leader boards? Nobody needs Champion Points for any regular content. My advice is pretend Champion Points don't exist and DO NOT purchase these boosters. Don't pay Zos anything until we get real content.

sigsergv wrote: »

Why are you people so obsessed with experience boosters and some other stuff like that?

If you are not a part of 20-min-trial elite minmaxers you most probably will never be among them. It's actually doesn't matter how much XP/CP do you have if you cannot play effectively. Experience boosters just lift some limits but don't change proportions. There is a lot of places where you can play and enjoy even without XP/CP that elite minority people have. There will be always some kind of grind, and there will be always players using grind spots.

P.S. I'm not talking about Cirodiil because it's so broken right now, even without CP-overpowered players and XP-boosters.

I swear people just whine to whine, its something new each week and now with everyone being able to post here its going to get worse, any troll with an account, its open season....

sigsergv wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

sigsergv wrote: »

It's simple, P2W is convenience for people who don't play much, sure. But it's also used by every single other player to get a leg up. It widens the gap between the top and the rest to the point where you're either force to participate in P2W to keep up, or have to settle with being an underdog. It isn't fair because it extorts everyone in the long run.

So what? Today we have so called “elite”, and XP potions will not bring you close to them, they just so far away so these boosters/etc are just not relevant. XP won't provide you best gear, won't teach you correct rotation to deal decent damage.

These "elite" will also be using these, widening the gap, which is what my post was saying and you know it is. So you think we should just say "to hell with it" and let the gap become a chasm?

If they work like the XP boosters in GW2 I think it would be ok.

They give +50% XP from kills, which sounds amazing and/or P2W (depending on your opinion) at first. But in practice...they're nice to have if you get them free but not worth buying because they're simply too much hassle to use vs. free methods of levelling.

The best way to use them is to go into some out of the way corner of a high level map and kill random things no one would usually bother touching. But the reason no one would normally bother fighting them is the only thing they give you is XP. Alternatively you can go to World vs. World (their version of Cyrodiil) and get XP at about the same rate, whilst also getting drops and doing something much more interesting. Or stay in PvE and do world bosses or maps with long event chains. (Most of the XP from these methods comes from completing events rather than from kills. Doing WvW or PvE maps with the booster might be slightly better than normal, but not enough to make a noticeable difference.)

So in practice the only difference between people who buy boosters and people who don't is that the first group spent money to get less loot for their time.

sigsergv wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

These "elite" will also be using these, widening the gap, which is what my post was saying and you know it is. So you think we should just say "to hell with it" and let the gap become a chasm?

I'm fine with it. As I told, “elite” players are far away, they live in another dimension with DSA/Trials and they will be always there. There is a gap already and it's huge, and XP boosters just make it a bit wider. Crafting progression is much more important and even with booster you cannot progress clothing for example to be able craft 8-traits items. Also XP will not give you more skillpoints.

What game are you playing?? Crafting progression (except Enchanting) is easy. Do the daily writ, deconstruct everything, done! I've hit level 50 in mutiple crafts on multiple characters no problem.

I am 100% against P2W - i.e. items in the crown store that are better than in game.
I am not against P2L (pay to level) - i.e. items in the crown store that expidite your game progress; however, anything that increases the rate of experience gained post VR1 will marginalize the Champion System. So ask yourself, do you want the store to sell VR14, 3600 CP characters?? If not, then XP buffs post VR1 are just the slipery slope to that.

Danikat wrote: »

What if the potion only worked for characters below level 50?

That way it could be an alternative to grinding for new players wanting to catch up and those who have levelling several characters and are sick of it, but wouldn't help with getting CPs.

That is even worse. Pre Veteran questing is actually the part of the game that is enjoyable without grinding.
I would make it V1+ only because *that* is the part where you sink a lot of time into leveling and the quests are boring as hell.

I imagine it's often the same people who were predicting the game would fail who are now predicting it will go P2W. A hater's got to have something to hate...

There is nothing about getting XP faster that is p2w.

They just have to decouple bonus XP from base XP that is used for CP acquisition or deactivate XP bonus once VR14 is hit. Problem solved.

I for one do appreciate any bonus to XP that I can get my alts to VR14 as fast as possible. Otherwise I would have to wait until they remove that stupid system... meaning I would have to quit for like a year...

Hey. At least its not Archeage.


-Archeage P2W palyer who may return to ESO

DDuke wrote: »

Skjoldur wrote: »

There is nothing about getting XP faster that is p2w.

They just have to decouple bonus XP from base XP that is used for CP acquisition or deactivate XP bonus once VR14 is hit. Problem solved.

I for one do appreciate any bonus to XP that I can get my alts to VR14 as fast as possible. Otherwise I would have to wait until they remove that stupid system... meaning I would have to quit for like a year...

Not just VR14, but VR1.

Your XP between VR1-14 also counts towards Champion Points (in fact, doing quests on these alts is one of the fastest ways to grind them).

Yep, but it is not important how fast you get them, because the amount will be the same. Potentially even less, because with bonus XP you will finish it with less Enlightenment.

The only way to "exploit" this, would be to level alts to vr1 just to get the vr1-14 CP... that seems somewhat time consuming. Deactivating XP bonuses for this would be stupid: After all, VR leveling still does take to long, especially from 10-14.

DDuke wrote: »

Ok, so clearly you have some deep-rooted hatred against "elite -minmaxers".

Too bad for you, the hardcore audience is required to keep a MMO alive. The moment you introduce P2W to a game, it loses every ounce of respect from competitive gamers, which leads to less subscribers, less youtube/twitch coverage and ultimate failure of the game.

P2W leads to nothing but separating hardcore players & hardcore players with lots of money (much smaller group). Eventually, the bigger group leaves the game due to inability to compete, while the smaller credit card warrior group stays around as demigods, destroying hordes of casual players all by themselves (must be fun for you & your friends to get destroyed by a single player).

If this is an ideal direction for a MMO for you, I don't know what to say.

I just don't see elite players, they are from another universe. Yes, there is some ratings etc, they are there and I'm fine with that, I'm OK in my universe without Trials/DSA. There must be a place for all kinds and XP boosters definetely won't change anything. Even if I buy that “P2W” potion I will be outside, you cannot buy a place among “elite” who invest skills and time in the game.

Hardcore players are already separated from other players, and that's fine, every game has clusters of players. You can grind CP instead of paying, pay by time not by money.

sigsergv wrote: »

Why are you people so obsessed with experience boosters and some other stuff like that?

If you are not a part of 20-min-trial elite minmaxers you most probably will never be among them. It's actually doesn't matter how much XP/CP do you have if you cannot play effectively. Experience boosters just lift some limits but don't change proportions. There is a lot of places where you can play and enjoy even without XP/CP that elite minority people have. There will be always some kind of grind, and there will be always players using grind spots.

P.S. I'm not talking about Cirodiil because it's so broken right now, even without CP-overpowered players and XP-boosters.

I love when guys like this tell me how I should be thinking and how I should be playing a game. Must be from wow

DDuke wrote: »

I will try this one more time, I promise I'll give up if you still don't get it:

"Casual" Player A - doesn't buy potions or grind -> falls behind drastically in power and becomes a "loser"

"Casual" Player B - buys potions, doesn't grind -> becomes stronger than Player A, but still falls behind in power and becomes a "loser" (not as bad of a loser as Player A though)

"Elite" Player C - doesn't buy potions -> becomes stronger than Player A & stronger/equal with Player B, but still is a loser because of:

"Elite" Played D - buys potions -> becomes a demigod compared to Player A & B, and significantly stronger than Player C. He is the winner.


I hope you can realize after this that it isn't something that only separates casual & hardcore players even more, it also separates hardcore players & rich hardcore players, which is wrong on so many levels.

Only way one could still enjoy the game after this, is if one a) enjoys being a loser or b) happens to be rich

What do you mean saying “loser”? People are pointing at you shouting “Look, he has just 75 CP, such a loser”? Remember, we're not talking about Cyrodiil, because it's a different pain. And also who is a winner? Trials leaderboard top? Top CP? Top AP?

sigsergv wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

I will try this one more time, I promise I'll give up if you still don't get it:

"Casual" Player A - doesn't buy potions or grind -> falls behind drastically in power and becomes a "loser"

"Casual" Player B - buys potions, doesn't grind -> becomes stronger than Player A, but still falls behind in power and becomes a "loser" (not as bad of a loser as Player A though)

"Elite" Player C - doesn't buy potions -> becomes stronger than Player A & stronger/equal with Player B, but still is a loser because of:

"Elite" Played D - buys potions -> becomes a demigod compared to Player A & B, and significantly stronger than Player C. He is the winner.


I hope you can realize after this that it isn't something that only separates casual & hardcore players even more, it also separates hardcore players & rich hardcore players, which is wrong on so many levels.

Only way one could still enjoy the game after this, is if one a) enjoys being a loser or b) happens to be rich

What do you mean saying “loser”? People are pointing at you shouting “Look, he has just 75 CP, such a loser”? Remember, we're not talking about Cyrodiil, because it's a different pain. And also who is a winner? Trials leaderboard top? Top CP? Top AP?

I think @DDuke means that you'll be asked for how many CP you have? Less than 500? Too bad, you're not strong enough to complete this challange and group with you probably wipe multiple times before killing final boss. Who want group which wipes in every minor boss?