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Race changes
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Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Here is all the reason you need for allowing a Race change
Argonian Nightblade
You can change your Race but only to Orc, your class has to stay the same....NA Server - Kildair0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I only see one kind of person whining and it's not the people who are in favor of race changes.
Then take the blinkers off. You don't think the repeated threads on the subject "B-but I optimized my race for my class and now it is unoptimized" fits the same pattern? Here's a hint, yes they do.
And for the record, I am all for the removal of combat affecting passives from Races so that, with regards to min/maxing, race has no impact. At that point we stop needing a race change option because with regards to class balance all races will be identical and the choice of which will be entirely down to personal/aesthetic choice. That said I still don't think race change should be an option.Grow thicker skin and stop fear mongering over little changes.
If this hadn't been an observed effect then this would be a valid point. It has been so it isn't.Edited by Iluvrien on March 19, 2015 12:21AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Here is all the reason you need for allowing a Race change
Argonian Nightblade
Have one. Enjoy playing her.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
theweakminded✭✭✭Probably been said before... just remove vet ranks and this problem is almost null0 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hmm, I want a race change but I would be switching from a fotm race to a supposedly gimp race, lol. now that I have the adventurers pack I want to pick the race I wanted to play instead of the one I had to play to group with my friends. . .
-Wing
Edited by Wing on March 19, 2015 5:05AMESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.0 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭15 dollars a change would be fair or however many crowns that would be, but don't really care either way other then nothing is off the table for crown store such has that.0 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »It's hilarious reading people's objections to this 'it's lore breaking' or even better 'it will ruin my immersion...!'
1) Zos really should offer this, even if it's a one off after they changed the racials so dramatically (compounded by the soft cap removal).
2) If you're not planning on using it yourself it will not affect you in the slightest (unless you're terrified you'll lose your 'edge' in PvP... But it will make Zos a boatload of cash to reinvest in the game. Everyone's a winner!
You say it's hilarious but you don't offer a reason why. Let me give you a reason why I don't think it's hilarious : I like variety and some persistent aspects of character identity (like class and race). I also like that characters have to earn their status.
Let me give you another reason why I'm against it : you want to pay money to have better stats than other players. You're not even arguing for a more level playing field. You literally want to pay for an advantage over others.
How about you give some real reasons, instead of saying 'this won't affect you' when clearly, it will.
I don't expect to pay money for it - It should be free! As a result of these huge changes!
Pretty sure you've changed and remorphed skills since 1.6 came?
Why have you done this? You shouldn't, as an advocate of character identity you should be sticking to the skill decisions you chose in the first week. As you are in favour of asking me to stick to the skill passives i chose in the first 10 minutes of the game. I feel it is only right that you should never re-morph any skills ever. If you aren't in favour of me being able to change 4 dam passives why are you allowed to change your entire load out?
You are allowed to change skills and stats because things change - Why is this different for the 4 racial passives ZOS? The premise on which I selected them no longer exists due to your changes.
Personally I want a ZOS response from this now.
Edited by Spangla on March 20, 2015 6:51AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can understand those that was affected by the change to racials, like if altmer(me) suddenly was changed from max magicka to max stamina for some reason, that would ruin it for me and Id very much like a racial change. I support it.
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Skafsgaard✭✭✭✭Seeing as we now will get XP potion shortly after ZOS nerfed xp gain - I think we will gain race change soon, and it is also the reason why ZOS mixed up the racial passives.The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited supports hundreds of players on screen at once in an open world fight for control of Cyrodiil. Get ready for the most intense online PvP experience ever created, with The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.
Yes, I am ready...
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AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty sure you've changed and remorphed skills since 1.6 came?
Why have you done this? You shouldn't, as an advocate of character identity you should be sticking to the skill decisions you chose in the first week. As you are in favour of asking me to stick to the skill passives i chose in the first 10 minutes of the game. I feel it is only right that you should never re-morph any skills ever. If you aren't in favour of me being able to change 4 dam passives why are you allowed to change your entire load out?
You are allowed to change skills and stats because things change - Why is this different for the 4 racial passives ZOS? The premise on which I selected them no longer exists due to your changes.
Personally I want a ZOS response from this now.
Troll fail deluxe... There's a huge difference between retraining Your skills, and changing Your race.1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Troll fail deluxe... There's a huge difference between retraining Your skills, and changing Your race.
Not least because new skills only open up as you progress and actually use them. Racials are entirely different. Skills are an incremental process that is inherently dynamic as you move through the game. Racials are not.Edited by Iluvrien on March 20, 2015 9:31AM0 -
Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭To promote transparency. May I suggest that if you are going to post in a race debate, you state your character race - class combination.0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To promote transparency. May I suggest that if you are going to post in a race debate, you state your character race - class combination.
You mean to promote ad hominem?
If someone has a race-class profile that is currently considered "optimized" then any promotion of Race Change will be seen as wanting to keep their edge.... and if they stand against Race Change then the cry will be that "Of course you don't want it, you don't need it!"
If someone doesn't have a race-class profile that is considered "optimized" then as a promoter of Race Change they will be told "Well, of course you want it. Your combination sucks!" whereas if they stand against Race Change then the suggestion will be that they are some kind of "noob" who would want it if they just understood their class a bit better than they should l2p.
...those were just examples but honestly, posting that information adds nothing to the discussion.
Either the idea stands or falls on its own merits. Who is standing for/against it has nothing to do with the matter.2 -
Madamova✭✭✭Race change doesn't make sense. Just start a new character and be what you want to be.
My main is Altmer who does lots of damage with fire, but since healers are in high demand for group dungeons - I started Argonian character who I will use mainly for healing.
Character development and progression is there for a reason.2 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just for the record - I play a Nord Templar in Heavy armour and two-handed weapon, going mostly as a tank-dps-self-healing hybird. And no, I don't want race change.0 -
Rair.Kitani✭✭✭I'm Khajiit NB (stamina DPS/ Tank) and I dont want to change my race, I just love my kitten too much.
A year ago i thought i choosed a race which favors physical damage
But but now i realize that beside the cool look, there is no reason to roll Khajiit for ANY spec in PVE
6% crit compared to 10% stam means nothing after removal of softcaps, and if you look at imperials it justs rediculous.Race change doesn't make sense. Just start a new character and be what you want to be.
My main is Altmer who does lots of damage with fire, but since healers are in high demand for group dungeons - I started Argonian character who I will use mainly for healing.
Character development and progression is there for a reason.
You better stick to your Altmer for healing, Argonians only have a bonus for "Healing received"Edited by Rair.Kitani on March 20, 2015 12:53PM0 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭Pretty sure you've changed and remorphed skills since 1.6 came?
Why have you done this? You shouldn't, as an advocate of character identity you should be sticking to the skill decisions you chose in the first week. As you are in favour of asking me to stick to the skill passives i chose in the first 10 minutes of the game. I feel it is only right that you should never re-morph any skills ever. If you aren't in favour of me being able to change 4 dam passives why are you allowed to change your entire load out?
You are allowed to change skills and stats because things change - Why is this different for the 4 racial passives ZOS? The premise on which I selected them no longer exists due to your changes.
Personally I want a ZOS response from this now.
Troll fail deluxe... There's a huge difference between retraining Your skills, and changing Your race.
Please - tell me the difference between I'm struggling to see. Racials - 4 Passive skills thats it
You have no point or argument.
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Race change doesn't make sense. Just start a new character and be what you want to be.
My main is Altmer who does lots of damage with fire, but since healers are in high demand for group dungeons - I started Argonian character who I will use mainly for healing.
Character development and progression is there for a reason.
How about no - I have a life
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Troll fail deluxe... There's a huge difference between retraining Your skills, and changing Your race.
Not least because new skills only open up as you progress and actually use them. Racials are entirely different. Skills are an incremental process that is inherently dynamic as you move through the game. Racials are not.
Like armour passives? Yet they can still be reset. Sorry you have no point.
a passive skill is a passive skill.
It is frankly irrelevant what you think about race changes - It needs to either be offered or races need to be balanced.
You would have to be a moron to think that the races are balanced. If you are in favour of races that aren't balanced and not in favour of race changes then I think there is something wrong with you.
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AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You would have to be a moron to think that the races are balanced. If you are in favour of races that aren't balanced and not in favour of race changes then I think there is something wrong with you.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Races0 -
Keepercraft✭✭✭Race change doesn't make sense. Just start a new character and be what you want to be.
My main is Altmer who does lots of damage with fire, but since healers are in high demand for group dungeons - I started Argonian character who I will use mainly for healing.
Character development and progression is there for a reason.
How about no - I have a life
ESO lifeStill waiting for Sithis.0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Like armour passives? Yet they can still be reset. Sorry you have no point.
You mean the ones whose effect magnitude is dependent on what you are wearing at the time? It is a fundamentally different mechanic. On this basis I do actually have a point, see below.a passive skill is a passive skill.
No, it isn't. Dependent passive skills are different because they are dependent. Racial passives aren't the same because they act irrespective of your current armour, weapons or skills. They are a static bonus to your character. Sure, you can decide not to take advantage of them by, for example, not slotting a single fire based ability as a Dunmer, never drinking a potion as an Argonian or never using elemental attacks as an Altmer but the effect of the bonus itself does not change with respect to your choice. The armour skills are different because they do.It is frankly irrelevant what you think about race changes - It needs to either be offered or races need to be balanced.
I suggest the removal of the combat effects of Races in a post on this page of this thread. This is one avenue by which Racials might be balanced... and you think there may be something wrong with me.
[Edit: Dialed back the language on the basis of an assumption of good faith.]Edited by Iluvrien on March 24, 2015 8:46AM0 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭I have the imperial edition but I play a DK Orc, do you think I care too much?
The passives are important, but not too much, be happy with you char, that's it.
Racials are not so op for no one, we are all in the same situation.0 -
guybrushtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Just for the record - I play a Nord Templar in Heavy armour and two-handed weapon, going mostly as a tank-dps-self-healing hybird. And no, I don't want race change.
This pretty much sums it up. You obviosuly don't care about optimizing your character, which is your prerogative and absolutely fine in itself. Nobody will force you into it. Now please don't try to force your playstyle onto those who want to do so.0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »Just for the record - I play a Nord Templar in Heavy armour and two-handed weapon, going mostly as a tank-dps-self-healing hybird. And no, I don't want race change.
This pretty much sums it up. You obviosuly don't care about optimizing your character, which is your prerogative and absolutely fine in itself. Nobody will force you into it. Now please don't try to force your playstyle onto those who want to do so.
That's got nothing at all to do With it. It is the fact that I don't wanna see Messages like "Tank wanted for Xxxxxxx, Imperial DK only!" or "Healer wanted for Xxxxxxxx, Breton Templar only!" - elitism in this game is bad enough (and damaging to the game's reputation) as it is0 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭
That's got nothing at all to do With it. It is the fact that I don't wanna see Messages like "Tank wanted for Xxxxxxx, Imperial DK only!" or "Healer wanted for Xxxxxxxx, Breton Templar only!" - elitism in this game is bad enough (and damaging to the game's reputation) as it is
The imbalance in racials already exists, suddenly allowing players to change the race of their characters isn't suddenly going to make people realize, "Hey, we can be even bigger elitist c*ts now."
On the list of problems that aren't going to be created by this suggestion, that one is up there.0 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭
That's got nothing at all to do With it. It is the fact that I don't wanna see Messages like "Tank wanted for Xxxxxxx, Imperial DK only!" or "Healer wanted for Xxxxxxxx, Breton Templar only!" - elitism in this game is bad enough (and damaging to the game's reputation) as it is
The imbalance in racials already exists, suddenly allowing players to change the race of their characters isn't suddenly going to make people realize, "Hey, we can be even bigger elitist c*ts now."
On the list of problems that aren't going to be created by this suggestion, that one is up there.
How about just remove racials or allow you to choose 4 passives from the pool.
I cannot understand how it is ok for one updated to destroy the synergy of the race/class that you chose and invested 9 months in.
Anyone who disagrees with this is one of 3 things.
1, Lucky because update did not do this to their char
2, Weird because they think re-rolling is an option - (Who the hell has time for that)
3, Vindictive as a result of option 1 and seeking to maintain superiority.
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AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How about just remove racials or allow you to choose 4 passives from the pool.
How about http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Races0
