Vile Na server zone chat

UrQuan · March 2015

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

EU chat is clean.

Maybe having a greater number of distinct cultures playing on the same server makes it harder for trolls to come up with universally effective garbage to spew.

phreatophile · March 2015

Report or ignore. Don't waste time engaging with someone who's already made their lack of character and good taste obvious.

gurgnir · March 2015

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

/ignore....working as intended...no need to turn off chat. What do you do in the real world when your hear vulgar/ absuive language do you cover your ears and ignore the world ? Or do you simple ignore the one using said language ? The latter of these two is obviously the most logical.

If someone is behaving inappropriately, I prefer to question their behaviour than ignore it.

In the context of ESO, using /ignore might silence the upsetting individual(s) but it won't make the issue go away for others. Sure, there's no guarantee that challenging the individual(s) involved will discourage them from acting like that in future, but at least by challenging it you're letting the person (and any others witnessing the situation) know that their behaviour is causing upset and therefore unacceptable. Surely it's better to try and address an issue than run away from it, right?

Or should we just ignore sexists, homophobes, xenophobes and all sorts of other abuse, because it's the 'logical' way to deal with it?

In the context of this thread, I think OP was correct when offering support to a person that challenged abusive players. I think it was wrong that people gave OP grief for doing this. I think it was wrong that people told OP to turn zone chat off. And I think it's wrong that you suggest we ignore issues rather than address them.

cyqa · March 2015

The amount of times I have used /ignore has decreased immensely as I've progressed through the game, thankfully. I don't care about swearing but I really don't like to see derogatory comments. As someone said earlier: it's a game, but we're still real people.

I was recently in Auridon helping a friend who just started playing, and I was really pleased that the zone chat wasn't that bad at that particular time. People were helping newbies without being rude about it. That's nice to see.

I'm not really the type to engage because I've very rarely seen someone go, "You know what, you're right. I was way out of line and I'm sorry I made that comment", unfortunately. So I just screenshot the comment and report, ignore and move on.

Daraugh · March 2015

I report and ignore. I never bother confronting the person since they're just trolling for attention. Besides, it's not my business to confront anyway, that's what the report function is for, to help reduce useless confrontation.

I also think it's hilarious that the OP's statements keep getting edited by the forum mods for use of a word that some people say is acceptable. Oh irony, thou art a heartless (snip)

Tavore1138 · March 2015

thelordoffelines wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

I dont think swearing in zone chat deserves a report. You gave a profanity filter, an ignore button, and the ability to turn off zone chat for a reason.

It still deserves a report.

I swear quite regularly among my friends. Doesn't mean I run down the street yelling profanities.

No it doesnt deserve a report. If someone says something you dont like you have many options to remove those statements from your view.

Yes, and you can still report the person for violating the chat rules. Your ability to ignore their immaturity doesn't grant them free license to break those rules.

I'm pretty sure swearing in zone chat is NOT against the rules. And why should it be when you have an ignore button, a profanity filter, and the ability to turn of zone chat.

ZOS would argue according to the CoC (my bolding):

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.7 You may not disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms, message forums or games with vulgar language, abusive behavior, multiple key returns or posting large images in an attempt to disturb other users. Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], bumping and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

themizario · March 2015

I love zone chat. All the LFG and WTS with the occasional perverted remark about someone's mother keeps things lively. Oh yeah and the recruitment spam...oh I love recruitment spam.

Tavore1138 · March 2015

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

Carafina34 wrote: »

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

Fact of the matter is I believe in freedom of speech, maybe because I'm American, but restricting what people say is not a good thing, giving up personal freedoms for a more political correct world is a completely backwards and archaic way of thinking. Just my 2 cents.

Freedom of speech is about the ability to say whatever you want (with some restrictions: there are always restrictions) without government censorship or retribution. Period.

If you play in a private playground, freedom of speech doesn't apply in that playground. The owners of that playground can put whatever restrictions they want on what people can and cannot say, and can punish people who don't follow the rules by banning them from the playground, or otherwise restricting what they can do in the playground.

It's the concept, and it should be applied to all playgrounds real or virtual. The rules have been set by the owner, they have even given us tools to manage this playground. Freedom of speech is given to the player by the developers and should be respected by the players. I would understand more if this was wizard 101 which is full of minors, but this is a mature rated game, so it comes with the territory. In the end ZoS being an American company should understand and sympathize, and I feel they do because we been given the tools to manage this playground.

So if I respect their right to call me a B***H coz i do not have an extra leg, then dont I have a right to be respected in turn for finding it offensive when someone calls my sex a derogatory term. I wouldnt accept it in the real world, no court would accept it (sexual discrimination), so why would I accept it in a pixilated game.

In the real world i could walk away, kinda like mute, but i would still say something, or report it if the person persisted after explaining I found it offensive and insensitive.
And don't try to tell me in the real world in the states that sexual discrimination is allowed, coz it aint.

Your missing the point. You have every right to be offended just as they person in zone chat has every right to say what they want. You have all the options available to you to deal with the situation. You can send them a whisper voicing your opinion, you can slash ignore them, you can report them, what you don't have the right to do is prevent others from saying what they are going to say. I completely agree that ZoS has the right to police their game any way they would like, no one is arguing that point. Report them and let ZoS deem if they need to bring the ban hammer or not. But people are trying to take matters into their own hands here, telling other subscribers what is acceptable and what is not. You have ever right to voice your concern and speak your mind. Go ahead and flame that troll in zone chat, use wit to beat them at their own game. But by the nine do not add more restrictions to the limited freedom of speech we have already.

As per my post above you are simply mistaken - ZOS clearly set out a list of things that cannot be said in their privately owned servers and since the people of the USA decided democratically that the rights of companies superseded your rights to free speech you would have to amend your laws to change it back before your argument could stand up.

You signed up to this Code of Conduct before you were allowed into the game and did so again when they dropped 2.0 (assuming you are still playing) so you agreed to it and probably thus should be bound by your word.

Personally I am not unsympathetic to the right to free speech but I also feel that people who use that 'right' simply to be unpleasant to other people are scum who should not be ignored but should be called out and challenged publicly for their behaviour by anyone with any decency as I personally try to do on the rare occasions I see this on the EU server.

Egonieser · March 2015

Never have I seen this on EU zone chats. Some friendly banter and jokes, but nothing you described. In fact, EU community in this game seems like one of the most mature ones I've seen in a MMO. 2nd comes LoTRO.
Now, i have no idea about US server, but then again, i have no plans visiting it anytime soon.

Saturn · March 2015

I play on the DC side of NA server and I rarely see any kind of abusive chat in /zone, mostly it is just trolling or crazy talk or the usual two people having a private conversation for public display.

I personally think it is unavoidably, just like every MMO is bound to have some elitist ***, liars, people trying to scam you and other kinds of filth.

I have special chat tabs to disable /zone so when it becomes undesirable to read I can turn it off. If you want a proper forum of people to converse with find a big guild with some form of leadership that steps in when it becomes too much. In a guild the people that act out of line can be removed, which limits the amount of filth to a minimum

Sinthrax · March 2015

Always people that think they have the right to say what they want. Always people that think they have the right to tell you what to say. I say turn off zone chat and that is the best solution for both. He can continue to say what he wants and you don't have to hear it. I would bet that is part of the reason they added the feature in the game.

Islyn · March 2015

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Rated "M" for mature. I personally don't say vile stuff in zone chat, but I realize peoples morals and personalities are different. I try not to push my values on others and start reporting people if they don't fall into what I consider socially correct. Perhaps turn on profanity filter or ignore chat?

Since when does 'Mature' equate to acting like a brat?

Also if we are using Mature card here then no one who acts opposite to that should be allowed. If 'M' is taken to the letter then please do ban all children as they are for the most part, the ones who do this.

Some things mature, others rot.

Hes saying people like you should be mature and ignore them. Someone else stated here that people have different morals and one person doing something that you disagree with does not deserve a report. If something someone does in a game bothers you that much maybe you shouldn't be playing online games or be online at all.

(prejudice and harrasment being the only exception and it looks like OPs case was more in those categories).

I do ignore. Right after I report.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2015

I report it and let ZOS sort it out.

Rosveen · March 2015

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

EU chat is clean.
Apart from the occasional friendly racewar. Bosmer are hippies and Argonians are stoners. You can't deny that.

Yeah. Worst thing I saw yesterday was a few people complaining about the Germans, but this was quickly stifled. And anyhow, they'll get used to it soon enough, DC is flooded with German roleplayers.

UrQuan · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

With that out of the way, let me share why I left ESO within the first 30 days and didn't come back until f2P.
*snip*

Yeah, you might want to go and actually read the Code of Conduct. Specifically:

Code of Conduct wrote:

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

Whether something may not be offensive or objectionable to everyone is irrelevant. If a "reasonable person" may find it objectionable (and all of your examples could be considered objectionable by a reasonable person) then it's against the Code of Conduct, and if people report it (which someone probably will) can get you banned.

Obscure · March 2015

Rosveen · March 2015

I always thought maturity included civility and respect for other people.

Psychobunni · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

First off, there is no such thing as the "right to free speech" in regards to privately owned and operated establishments/activities. Being an American, I really find it laughable how many American public education twits don't understand the First Amendment does not apply to private places like: inside my home, inside a restaurant, in a bowling alley, or in a video game. It applies strictly to Congress being unable to make laws restricting your speech. A video game developer can restrict your speech as much as they want, they make the rules in their private playground ( and no, being open to the public for consumption does not constitute it no longer being private, before some nit tries that angle ).

With that out of the way, let me share why I left ESO within the first 30 days and didn't come back until f2P.

There were people making crass jokes in zone chat, I decided to join the fun. I made a joke basically involving a live baby being buried at the bottom of a barrel full of dead babies and having to eat its way out.

Disgusting? Of course. It was disgusting when I and the other 2nd graders used to tell what we termed the "grosser than gross" jokes. "What's grosser than gross? A barrel full of dead babies. What's grosser than that? A live one on the bottom? What's grosser than that? It has to eat its way out."

So some schmuck reported me. I got an email from ZOS declaring they would revoke my chat ability permanently ingame if they get another report. I emailed them back and politely told them where to stick their threat and immediately unsubbed. How nice of them to make the game free for me now, I'll consider the apology accepted.

You want to ban m ability to talk ingame because I'm running around yelling :"hang the n*****s" ( which i have not so put the button back where you found it ), be my guest. THAT is hate speech and should be banned. Bad jokes from 2nd grade are not.

Telling a sick joke or yelling "b**ch" over and over however is not. Those are things that are annoying or offensive to YOU but not necessarily offensive to everyone. And for the poor feminist who got her trip triggered, "b**tch" is not a term solely used for the female gender, has not been for a very, very long time.

Devs give you the profanity filter and ignore functions SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE ANSWERING STUPID "HE CALLED ME A ***!" "SHE MADE A SICK JOKE I FOUND OFFENSIVE!" REPORTS ALL DAY LONG.

Use the tools for what they are for: for you to ignore what YOU don't like.

Save the reporting for the times the situation merits it.

*Disclaimer: no dead babies, dead or deader, were harmed in the writing of this post.

Assuming that 1- all that was truth and 2-Not your attempt at screw the rules, nonchalant attitude....can I haz your stuff when you get 2nd notice?

UrQuan · March 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

I always thought maturity included civility and respect for other people.

Well, if you're talking about actual maturity rather than the rating on a game, yes.

Obscure · March 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

I always thought maturity included civility and respect for other people.

Yes, and that applies everywhere you go in the real world... However:

Zorvan · March 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

Assuming that 1- all that was truth and 2-Not your attempt at screw the rules, nonchalant attitude....can I haz your stuff when you get 2nd notice?

1.Yes it is and 2. No you may not. lol

UrQuan · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

With that out of the way, let me share why I left ESO within the first 30 days and didn't come back until f2P.
*snip*

Yeah, you might want to go and actually read the Code of Conduct. Specifically:

Code of Conduct wrote:

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

Whether something may not be offensive or objectionable to everyone is irrelevant. If a "reasonable person" may find it objectionable (and all of your examples could be considered objectionable by a reasonable person) then it's against the Code of Conduct, and if people report it (which someone probably will) can get you banned.

Then remove the profanity filter and /ignore function, as it appears the real issue is some people are obviously too dim-witted to use tools correctly as provided and therefore the tools are ineffective and a waste of development, so ZOS should just start throwing out the money for 24 hour ingame GMs to handle all the cases of butthurt and imaginary pixellated distress. Gonna need to sell a lot more tokens to afford that for long.

I personally find the profanity filter offensive, as it assumes I'm a little girl with too tender sensibilities to hear words which are spoken and heard quite regularly in real life.

Don't say I didn't warn you when you get yourself banned.

Zorvan · March 2015

World of Warcraft and LEague of Legends. Two of the biggest successes. What do they have in common with each other? They both vie for the title of single-most toxic mmo chat.

Guess where both those games would be if they were busy running off every single person who offended some other person and got reported.

Carafina34 · March 2015

@Zorvan Just beacuse a behaviour is prevelant doesnt mean it is right. The zone/global chat should be as clean as possiable. I also dont like censor ship. However, I and so many others, have the right to not be immersed in abusive language. And just because there is a filter doesnt mean it is ok.

As a previous post said, a bullet proof vest does not make it ok to shoot anyone.

Also, language can be harmful and upsetting to some, but not saying the words or saying them in a private chat channel isnt harming or infringing a persons liberty in any way. Swear, cuss, all you want, just do it privately and dont inflict it on the masses who most likely dont share that particular sense of humor and viewpoint. And no I dont see my reporting bad offensive language as inflicting MY viewpoint on anyone. The TOS are there for all to read and prove along with my OP comments being snipped, that ZOS doesnt find that language publicly acceptable either.

Rosveen · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I always thought maturity included civility and respect for other people.

Well, if you're talking about actual maturity rather than the rating on a game, yes.

What else would I be talking about? It's regrettable that people often use a game's M rating to justify behavior befitting a hormonal teenager.

Zorvan · March 2015

Carafina34 wrote: »

@Zorvan Just beacuse a behaviour is prevelant doesnt mean it is right. The zone/global chat should be as clean as possiable. I also dont like censor ship. However, I and so many others, have the right to not be immersed in abusive language. And just because there is a filter doesnt mean it is ok.

As a previous post said, a bullet proof vest does not make it ok to shoot anyone.

Also, language can be harmful and upsetting to some, but not saying the words or saying them in a private chat channel isnt harming or infringing a persons liberty in any way. Swear, cuss, all you want, just do it privately and dont inflict it on the masses who most likely dont share that particular sense of humor and viewpoint. And no I dont see my reporting bad offensive language as inflicting MY viewpoint on anyone. The TOS are there for all to read and prove along with my OP comments being snipped, that ZOS doesnt find that language publicly acceptable either.

Then again, remove the profanity filter and /ignore function and hire 24 hour GM's to ban peole who offend other people until there are no people left to offend. Then the game closes, problem solved.

See, having the profanity filter and /ignore function sends the apparently erroneous message that offended players are expected to help themselves.

But being able to report people so they can be banned sends the message you seem to adhere to, ZOS is expected to get rid of any person you find "offensive".

So, either or. Either people are smart enough to use tools provided to keep the bad men at bay, or people require a schoolteacher with a ruler to chase away the scaries.

Guess what? Everyone offends someone. Enjoy the ban when it's your turn.

You know what this makes me miss? All the times my little sister would tell on something I'd done, laugh when I got punished, and then cry when she was also punished for being a tattletale.

Carafina34 · March 2015

error, my pc went odd and started copy pasting replys

Carafina34 · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

Carafina34 wrote: »

@Zorvan Just beacuse a behaviour is prevelant doesnt mean it is right. The zone/global chat should be as clean as possiable. I also dont like censor ship. However, I and so many others, have the right to not be immersed in abusive language. And just because there is a filter doesnt mean it is ok.

As a previous post said, a bullet proof vest does not make it ok to shoot anyone.

Also, language can be harmful and upsetting to some, but not saying the words or saying them in a private chat channel isnt harming or infringing a persons liberty in any way. Swear, cuss, all you want, just do it privately and dont inflict it on the masses who most likely dont share that particular sense of humor and viewpoint. And no I dont see my reporting bad offensive language as inflicting MY viewpoint on anyone. The TOS are there for all to read and prove along with my OP comments being snipped, that ZOS doesnt find that language publicly acceptable either.

Then again, remove the profanity filter and /ignore function and hire 24 hour GM's to ban peole who offend other people until there are no people left to offend. Then the game closes, problem solved.

See, having the profanity filter and /ignore function sends the apparently erroneous message that offended players are expected to help themselves.

But being able to report people so they can be banned sends the message you seem to adhere to, ZOS is expected to get rid of any person you find "offensive".

So, either or. Either people are smart enough to use tools provided to keep the bad men at bay, or people require a schoolteacher with a ruler to chase away the scaries.

Guess what? Everyone offends someone. Enjoy the ban when it's your turn.

I dont want or expect anyone to be banned. I feel you are completely missing the point here.

Zorvan · March 2015

Carafina34 wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

Carafina34 wrote: »

@Zorvan Just beacuse a behaviour is prevelant doesnt mean it is right. The zone/global chat should be as clean as possiable. I also dont like censor ship. However, I and so many others, have the right to not be immersed in abusive language. And just because there is a filter doesnt mean it is ok.

As a previous post said, a bullet proof vest does not make it ok to shoot anyone.

Also, language can be harmful and upsetting to some, but not saying the words or saying them in a private chat channel isnt harming or infringing a persons liberty in any way. Swear, cuss, all you want, just do it privately and dont inflict it on the masses who most likely dont share that particular sense of humor and viewpoint. And no I dont see my reporting bad offensive language as inflicting MY viewpoint on anyone. The TOS are there for all to read and prove along with my OP comments being snipped, that ZOS doesnt find that language publicly acceptable either.

Then again, remove the profanity filter and /ignore function and hire 24 hour GM's to ban peole who offend other people until there are no people left to offend. Then the game closes, problem solved.

See, having the profanity filter and /ignore function sends the apparently erroneous message that offended players are expected to help themselves.

But being able to report people so they can be banned sends the message you seem to adhere to, ZOS is expected to get rid of any person you find "offensive".

So, either or. Either people are smart enough to use tools provided to keep the bad men at bay, or people require a schoolteacher with a ruler to chase away the scaries.

Guess what? Everyone offends someone. Enjoy the ban when it's your turn.

I dont want or expect anyone to be banned. I feel you are completely missing the point here.

Except that's what those reports do. Perhaps you are completely missing my point here.

Jules · March 2015

Gets a lot better in vet zones. People who spam zone chat with hateful impatience generally don't have enough patience or dedication to level a max toon. Zone chat in crag on EP NA is basically people LFG / WTS with the occasional convo. No biggie.