Exp potions

Lionxoft · March 2015

Ashigaru wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ashigaru wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

They have already said that XP potion will be in the store.

Source plz?

Im done if thats the case.

If you noticed the xp changes last week, as in they lowered them across the board, i am guessing that this is the reason, with the 10 percent bonus for subs and then throw in xp potions you should be almost close to where we were xp wise 2 weeks ago, the ones i saw were 2hr/50 percent with a 7200 second cool down on them and they are supposed to stack with rings of mara/sub bonus

What did they lower? XP that I've been getting has been the same as always. They also specifically stated that the 10% was a bonus to what was standard pre-1.6, not a way to "return" to those standard values.

Also, is an XP potion really P2W? Just because someone is getting XP faster than you, doesn't mean they will be more powerful than you, they just cap out faster.

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Yes the xp was lowered by a huge margin in areas and various mobs also. No xp pot is not pay to win at al, i would bet dollars to doughnuts that the people complaining of the idea are casual players which would need it more.

Also threatening to leave really means nothing now since its B2P lol

"XP Boosters" in this game equal power and it's paid with cash. XP determines your power progression through the end game and progresses your Champion Rank. 70% cumulative cash bought bonus xp? That's huge.

Also, a b2p game still needs players playing it. Just because it's b2p doesn't mean it's immune from the negatives that are caused by community attrition.

HeroOfNone · March 2015

We'very already discussed what to call these... skooma

Huntler · March 2015

It's funny that for some reason casuals think the hardcore players are somehow not going to get an edge from this as well and it is only going to benefit casuals. Tickles me.

vovus69 · March 2015

200 crowns each - no deal

Lionxoft · March 2015

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Wow in that case im done with this game.

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I for one am for exp potions... I have a job.

Convenience items are nice for folks with limited time on their hands like yourself. I don't think that is the problem at all and I understand your point of view however the power discrepancy this will cause between competitive players is what is the huge problem. Competitive players will be essentially forced to have this cash paid buff on them at all times otherwise they will fall behind.

The Champion System passives are very strong and it's ranks are your progression once you hit max level. Paying for a way to progress beyond 50 is the problem at hand. That is my opinion though and I personally wouldn't have a problem with this at all if it didn't boost champion xp but it does unfortunately.

PKMN12 · March 2015

IF this happens, i bet you in less then a year, this game has a cash shop as bad as LOTRO or SWTOR, maybe even one as bad as PErfect World international.

HeroOfNone · March 2015

And only way I can see this benefiting casuals is if it were like the inspiration system and had about a 20 hour cool down.maybe think of it like a leveling hang over.

vovus69 · March 2015

CP passives are crap. You need at least 120 points in each constellation to get at least something useful. And we are talking here about 25-30% of all your ability values. I don't think that this will be a problem. Whoever is grinding 24/7 will be ahead of the rest anyway

But difference will not be big.

Lionxoft · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

CP passives are crap.

I'll tell you now that this is not true at all.

PKMN12 · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

CP passives are crap. You need at least 120 points in each constellation to get at least something useful. And we are talking here about 25-30% of all your ability values. I don't think that this will be a problem. Whoever is grinding 24/7 will be ahead of the rest anyway But difference will not be big.

You do not know much about MMO's do you, 25-30% is MASSIVE. That basically = P2W right there, no argument.

vovus69 · March 2015

Relax - you can reshuffle the sets and get the 25-30% increase in some abilities. This is not massive. But if you want to believe in p2w - it is up to you.

Bloodystab · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Relax - you can reshuffle the sets and get the 25-30% increase in some abilities. This is not massive. But if you want to believe in p2w - it is up to you.

Yeah, everyone change items on the fly.

Omg spell is flying my way - Put Spell Resist items, then i change to Stamina to Sprint and dodge two more hits. After that i go Max Health and Crit Resist to tank that ZERG.

Seems legit to me.

Lionxoft · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Relax - you can reshuffle the sets and get the 25-30% increase in some abilities. This is not massive. But if you want to believe in p2w - it is up to you.

Ok. Here's what we're going to do. See if you can get into a competitive trial group without wearing any gear and speccing no champion passives. Also, use a weapon that has significantly less damage. To cap it off use gear that is well below your VR.

Let us know when you find a group that is willing to carry you to earn their top spot on the leaderboards.

vovus69 · March 2015

Nope we are not

I am not playing in groups and not doing pvp. I am playing in a way which I enjoy. So you can cry all what you want - pvp mob is probably the most whining minority I know of on this forum. Sometimes it is even funny

PKMN12 · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Relax - you can reshuffle the sets and get the 25-30% increase in some abilities. This is not massive. But if you want to believe in p2w - it is up to you.

again, realize this is an MMO, it does not work that way, you cannot simply change THAT fast and on the fly, nor should ANY GAME EVER be expecting that for you. Also, you DO realize the people who payed money can also do that and STILL DO BETTER.

This is P2W, no exceptions, there is literally no real argument against it NOT being P2W if the exp potions work on CP or if the CP system works the way it does.

vovus69 · March 2015

Hey, I am not saying in the battle

I said that reshuffling sets you can get +25-30% in some abilities. and this will not give you any massive advantage. Example - change from Song of Lamae + Magica Furnace to Seducer + Soulshine and you will have resists +30+40% and magica +20+25%. And what? It is roughly the same. So if you will collect ALL 3600 CP - you will be moderately better. But if you have a diff in 50-100 CP - it is nothing.
And yes - those who pay will do better. This is the rule. Look around.

PKMN12 · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Hey, I am not saying in the battle I said that reshuffling sets you can get +25-30% in some abilities. and this will not give you any massive advantage. Example - change from Song of Lamae + Magica Furnace to Seducer + Soulshine and you will have resists +30+40% and magica +20+25%. And what? It is roughly the same. So if you will collect ALL 3600 CP - you will be moderately better. But if you have a diff in 50-100 CP - it is nothing.
And yes - those who pay will do better. This is the rule. Look around.

P2W is a sin that should be punished and no, not every game is like that, Those that are are shunned. League of LEgend is not P2W at all, yet makes a MASSIVE amount of money, GW2 is doing pretty well, and while it does have small exp boosts, not only are they not as massive as here, but there is nothing like this games CP system in GW2.

BBSooner · March 2015

When the crown store was first announced I was really up in arms against xp bonus', their implications towards P2W, etc. Gotta say, at this point in time I'm pushing my 5th toon through VR, and really finding a hard time caring about increased XP being P2W. I realize my current mindset is jaded from the VR grind, but carry on fighting the fight.

vovus69 · March 2015

I am still waiting for the game which will allow not only donate but also get money out of the game in RL money. This will be a hit and I would be there in a sec. But so far it is all other way around

farrier_ESO · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

I have to say I'm impressed by that tooltip message.

Having it *stop the timer on log-off* is pretty awesome from ZoS. It's been one of my big grumbles about this kind of thing in other MMOs, and a significant part of why I never bought anything like that in LotRO. I wonder whether log off is per-character - that is, if you change alts and do a bunch of inventory management, will that not count toward the timer? that wold be really nice.

I'm fine being a slow player - I'm still only VR6, after all this time.
I'll keep my subscription and rings of mara, but doubt I'll ever buy this, since I never really grind for XP.

PKMN12 · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

I am still waiting for the game which will allow not only donate but also get money out of the game in RL money. This will be a hit and I would be there in a sec. But so far it is all other way around

IT was called Diablo 3's Auction house, and yeah, the game fell flat on its face becuase of it. The moment they got rid of it was the moment every said teh game actually got playable

UrQuan · March 2015

farrier_ESO wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

I have to say I'm impressed by that tooltip message.

Having it *stop the timer on log-off* is pretty awesome from ZoS. It's been one of my big grumbles about this kind of thing in other MMOs, and a significant part of why I never bought anything like that in LotRO. I wonder whether log off is per-character - that is, if you change alts and do a bunch of inventory management, will that not count toward the timer? that wold be really nice.

I'm fine being a slow player - I'm still only VR6, after all this time.
I'll keep my subscription and rings of mara, but doubt I'll ever buy this, since I never really grind for XP.

I would expect that the timer will work the same way that the timers work on food. In other words, only the time that you are actually logged on with that particular character counts.

Of course, that's assuming that this isn't some special account-wide potion. If consuming one potion gives all of your alts an XP boost, then it would be different.

Lionxoft · March 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

When the crown store was first announced I was really up in arms against xp bonus', their implications towards P2W, etc. Gotta say, at this point in time I'm pushing my 5th toon through VR, and really finding a hard time caring about increased XP being P2W. I realize my current mindset is jaded from the VR grind, but carry on fighting the fight.

Once Vet ranks are gone we welcome you back to the light side.

Who knows when that will be but I feel ya and understand how mind numbingly monotonous getting through VRs can be with multiple characters. I don't think that xp boosts are the way to go though as some grinds haven't been completely eliminated.

With that said it's possible to get to VR14 from lv1 without touching Craglorn in 3 days. Pretty sure that grind hasn't been nerfed either.

Say no to p2w :P

farrier_ESO · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

I would expect that the timer will work the same way that the timers work on food.

Oooh, I didn't know food worked like that, either. Seems a whole lot more worth eating now. Thanks!

vovus69 · March 2015

Yep, food and drink has the same timers, so this should be fine

UrQuan · March 2015

farrier_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I would expect that the timer will work the same way that the timers work on food.

Oooh, I didn't know food worked like that, either. Seems a whole lot more worth eating now. Thanks!

Yes, this is one of the reasons why food is so good! Mmmm, delicious food...

Obscure · March 2015

I got the insider scoop on how to craft XP potions!

XP Potion Alchemical Ingredients:
- Pay Money
- Pay More Money
- Pay Even More Money
- Cloud Mist (unconfirmed)

Kidding aside I hate the concept, that people hate the concept of levelling, so much that we do everything we can to shorten the process by grinding and buying boosters.

Me thinks if the process was fun and exciting no one would want to make it be over faster. Ever see those crappy chick flicks where the line comes out like "I wish it could stay like this forever."...yeah that's something no MMO player ever said about being "level 4" or any level that wasn't Max level for that matter.

LEVELING SUCKS SO HARD PEOPLE WILL LITERALLY PAY GOOD MONEY JUST TO MAKE IT BE OVER FASTER.

That's like people being willing to pay EXTRA at the movie theatre to have the PRIVILEGE of watching the movie in FAST FORWARD.

...What...the...***!?

Shadesofkin · March 2015

It's a 2 hour cool down, you're not quaffing them all the time. I'm not happy about a 50% increase in exp gain but I'm not so mad that I'll quit.

Lionxoft · March 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

It's a 2 hour cool down, you're not quaffing them all the time. I'm not happy about a 50% increase in exp gain but I'm not so mad that I'll quit.

If it functions similarly to other consumables the cooldown starts after first consumption. 7200 seconds is 2 hours. The temporary paid 50% bonus xp buff lasts for 2 hours. This means you can actually drink one every 2 hours. You can essentially keep a 100% up time of this buff.

Wulverine · March 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

I am still waiting for the game which will allow not only donate but also get money out of the game in RL money. This will be a hit and I would be there in a sec. But so far it is all other way around

It's already exists and has been active for the last 12 years. It's called Project Calypso and is an MMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropia_Universe