Exp potions

GreySix · March 2015

Troneon wrote: »

Wow in that case im done with this game.

Sweet. Send me your stuff, since you won't be using it.

Thanks.

vovus69 · March 2015

Yep. I know - really *** outcome. Not worth it.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

Troneon wrote: »

Wow in that case im done with this game.

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Can I have all your gold and stuffs? I will erect a monument in your honor. And we will mourn your loss.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

@Enodoc

XP->CP->Power.

There is no cap in the champ system and xp bonuses apply additively pre and post lv50. Well, there is a cap (3600 points) but it's pretty far off in the distance and a lot of the passives are imbalanced in regards to DR. That cap is also adjustable to allow future progression. The xp pots are showing 50% bonus xp for 2 hours in the in-game tooltip that is floating around. Granted, that's subject to change unless we don't say anything. The original statement made by ZOS was altered to not guarantee that these will be obtainable by in-game means as opposed to their original guarantee.

My guess is this will be their money maker. It's a bummer that power is already planned to be sold on the cash shop. I guess there's an exception to the rule and xp pots are that exception. I'm sure people will disagree with me in some form but paying to get extra crit or what not is definitely p2w and a lot of those champion passives are VERY strong.

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

OMG 50% no Freakin way.. I am shocked..

Dazin93 · March 2015

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Natjur · March 2015

10% exp bonus for 2hrs would never sell (if it was for 2 days maybe)
50% exp bonus for 2hrs, might sell
100-200% exp bonus for 2hrs.... they would sell well.

Fine line between convenience and buy to win.

What I class as convenience, you would class as buy to win

Lionxoft · March 2015

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Dazin93 · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Understand your pov, but my time is worth far more than anything they would charge for exp/ap boosts. It would be a small price to pay to have an enjoyable character to play.

PKMN12 · March 2015

Dazin93 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Understand your pov, but my time is worth far more than anything they would charge for exp/ap boosts. It would be a small price to pay to have an enjoyable character to play.

so you are saying ruining the game is a small proce to pay? then you are part of the problem with F2P/B2P games.

Lionxoft · March 2015

Dazin93 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Understand your pov, but my time is worth far more than anything they would charge for exp/ap boosts. It would be a small price to pay to have an enjoyable character to play.

As a PvP player, I gather that suggestion from your signature and previous post, you would understand that power in PvP is relative to those you are fighting. The people that play 12-14 hours a day with this xp boost at a 100% up time will still roll over anyone that this "convenience" item is supposedly aimed at.

Theosis · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

....

With that said it's possible to get to VR14 from lv1 without touching Craglorn in 3 days. Pretty sure that grind hasn't been nerfed either.

Say no to p2w :P

were does one learn to do this?

Shadesofkin · March 2015

Thing is, I'm really confused by where this came from, I was literally just on the PTS and there's nothing like this there.

dafox187 · March 2015

it was obviously just some hater with the power of photoshop we have nothing to worry about in ZOS with eso i know lots are mad at them [why?] but i think this game will be great by update 10

Lionxoft · March 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Thing is, I'm really confused by where this came from, I was literally just on the PTS and there's nothing like this there.

It was an item code from in-game. When someone links you an item it is actually a corresponding ID.

dafox187 wrote: »

it was obviously just some hater with the power of photoshop we have nothing to worry about in ZOS with eso i know lots are mad at them [why?] but i think this game will be great by update 10

Not photoshop whatsoever but your comment about update 10 is fun

Shadesofkin · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Thing is, I'm really confused by where this came from, I was literally just on the PTS and there's nothing like this there.

It was an item code from in-game. When someone links you an item it is actually a corresponding ID.

dafox187 wrote: »

it was obviously just some hater with the power of photoshop we have nothing to worry about in ZOS with eso i know lots are mad at them [why?] but i think this game will be great by update 10

Not photoshop whatsoever but your comment about update 10 is fun

I'll take your word for it, but that seems like a bit much the more I think about it and so I was a tad suspicious (plus I was on the PTS and didn't see anything like that).

Zershar_Vemod · March 2015

I find it funny that people thought this wouldn't go P2W in some form after TESO downgraded to B2P.

PKMN12 · March 2015

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I find it funny that people thought this wouldn't go P2W in some form after TESO downgraded to B2P.

Thing is, they do not have to. Secret World went B2P, and is not P2W. GW2 was ALWAYS B2P, still not P2W, LOL is F2P, still not P2W. off the top of my head, 3 different games that each have their own way of getting money without making themselves P2W.

But you are right, should not have expected anything more than what is clearly going to happen from this company.

Dazin93 · March 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Understand your pov, but my time is worth far more than anything they would charge for exp/ap boosts. It would be a small price to pay to have an enjoyable character to play.

so you are saying ruining the game is a small proce to pay? then you are part of the problem with F2P/B2P games.

It is ruining it perhaps from your perspective, but from mine it would open up more possibilities.

Dazin93 · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

I hope they put similar AP potions in the crown store as well. It would be great for leveling up alliance skill lines on alts.

Say "No" to selling/buying power.

Understand your pov, but my time is worth far more than anything they would charge for exp/ap boosts. It would be a small price to pay to have an enjoyable character to play.

As a PvP player, I gather that suggestion from your signature and previous post, you would understand that power in PvP is relative to those you are fighting. The people that play 12-14 hours a day with this xp boost at a 100% up time will still roll over anyone that this "convenience" item is supposedly aimed at.

To a certain extent I agree with you, yet the champion point system is a system of diminishing returns so I don't think the gap in attributes/characters skills would be as wide as you think. Of course experienced PvP players and long time players will always hold an advantage, but allowing more casual players a way to remain competitive, at least in terms of their character, would be beneficial to the game both in PvE and PvP in my opinion.

Enodoc · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ashigaru wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

They have already said that XP potion will be in the store.

Source plz?

Im done if thats the case.

If you noticed the xp changes last week, as in they lowered them across the board, i am guessing that this is the reason, with the 10 percent bonus for subs and then throw in xp potions you should be almost close to where we were xp wise 2 weeks ago, the ones i saw were 2hr/50 percent with a 7200 second cool down on them and they are supposed to stack with rings of mara/sub bonus

Also, is an XP potion really P2W? Just because someone is getting XP faster than you, doesn't mean they will be more powerful than you, they just cap out faster.

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@Enodoc

XP->CP->Power.

There is no cap in the champ system and xp bonuses apply additively pre and post lv50. Well, there is a cap (3600 points) but it's pretty far off in the distance and a lot of the passives are imbalanced in regards to DR. That cap is also adjustable to allow future progression. The xp pots are showing 50% bonus xp for 2 hours in the in-game tooltip that is floating around. Granted, that's subject to change unless we don't say anything. The original statement made by ZOS was altered to not guarantee that these will be obtainable by in-game means as opposed to their original guarantee.

My guess is this will be their money maker. It's a bummer that power is already planned to be sold on the cash shop. I guess there's an exception to the rule and xp pots are that exception. I'm sure people will disagree with me in some form but paying to get extra crit or what not is definitely p2w and a lot of those champion passives are VERY strong.

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

That cap of 3600 is still there though, and because of the Champion System's diminishing returns, the closer you get to it, the less each increment is worth. I personally would only really consider something as P2W if it gave a permanent advantage, and this doesn't.

Saying that... 50%?! I'm sure ZOS stated more than once that XP boosters would be 10%...

PKMN12 · March 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ashigaru wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

They have already said that XP potion will be in the store.

Source plz?

Im done if thats the case.

If you noticed the xp changes last week, as in they lowered them across the board, i am guessing that this is the reason, with the 10 percent bonus for subs and then throw in xp potions you should be almost close to where we were xp wise 2 weeks ago, the ones i saw were 2hr/50 percent with a 7200 second cool down on them and they are supposed to stack with rings of mara/sub bonus

Also, is an XP potion really P2W? Just because someone is getting XP faster than you, doesn't mean they will be more powerful than you, they just cap out faster.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

@Enodoc

XP->CP->Power.

There is no cap in the champ system and xp bonuses apply additively pre and post lv50. Well, there is a cap (3600 points) but it's pretty far off in the distance and a lot of the passives are imbalanced in regards to DR. That cap is also adjustable to allow future progression. The xp pots are showing 50% bonus xp for 2 hours in the in-game tooltip that is floating around. Granted, that's subject to change unless we don't say anything. The original statement made by ZOS was altered to not guarantee that these will be obtainable by in-game means as opposed to their original guarantee.

My guess is this will be their money maker. It's a bummer that power is already planned to be sold on the cash shop. I guess there's an exception to the rule and xp pots are that exception. I'm sure people will disagree with me in some form but paying to get extra crit or what not is definitely p2w and a lot of those champion passives are VERY strong.

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

Saying that... 50%?! I'm sure ZOS stated more than once that XP boosters would be 10%...

yeah, because they definitely have not lied and made false promises before......

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Yea that kinda settles things for me.
It's clear now what kind of people they are targeting and it's not me.
Not wishing you good luck ZOS cause i really hope this fail is going to hurt you and make you wake up.
Hopefully before the game is gone.
And maybe when you've realized how many people you've screwed over, i might resub again, but i suppose at that point it won't be worth it anymore.
Might just as well wait for ES VI... and pray that Bethesda finds someone else to work with.

What they advertise and what they deliver is worlds apart.

Enodoc · March 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ashigaru wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

They have already said that XP potion will be in the store.

Source plz?

Im done if thats the case.

If you noticed the xp changes last week, as in they lowered them across the board, i am guessing that this is the reason, with the 10 percent bonus for subs and then throw in xp potions you should be almost close to where we were xp wise 2 weeks ago, the ones i saw were 2hr/50 percent with a 7200 second cool down on them and they are supposed to stack with rings of mara/sub bonus

Also, is an XP potion really P2W? Just because someone is getting XP faster than you, doesn't mean they will be more powerful than you, they just cap out faster.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

@Enodoc

XP->CP->Power.

There is no cap in the champ system and xp bonuses apply additively pre and post lv50. Well, there is a cap (3600 points) but it's pretty far off in the distance and a lot of the passives are imbalanced in regards to DR. That cap is also adjustable to allow future progression. The xp pots are showing 50% bonus xp for 2 hours in the in-game tooltip that is floating around. Granted, that's subject to change unless we don't say anything. The original statement made by ZOS was altered to not guarantee that these will be obtainable by in-game means as opposed to their original guarantee.

My guess is this will be their money maker. It's a bummer that power is already planned to be sold on the cash shop. I guess there's an exception to the rule and xp pots are that exception. I'm sure people will disagree with me in some form but paying to get extra crit or what not is definitely p2w and a lot of those champion passives are VERY strong.

Watched a stream yesterday that exhibited it and here's the tooltip for the "XP Booster". AKA P2W in a glass.

Saying that... 50%?! I'm sure ZOS stated more than once that XP boosters would be 10%...

yeah, because they definitely have not lied and made false promises before......

I agree. I don't remember any lies, just some unpopular last-minute design decisions.
...

Oh wait, you were probably being sarcastic. In which case, I would love to see sometime one of these so-called "lies" or "false promises" that people keep complaining about, as I do not like someone's integrity being challenged without proof. Not here though; I don't want to derail a thread on XP potions with comments on ZOS' integrity.

DDuke · March 2015

People talking about "diminishing returns" & "small differences", so I guess I'll just quote myself from another thread (damn, the 50% estimate was pretty accurate wouldn't you say

)

This is the difference between 750 & 500 CPs for a stamina build:
-5.3% Stamina Costs Spells/Abilities

+4.5% Stamina Regeneration

+5.1% more Healing Reduction

+5.8% Light/Heavy Attack Damage

+9% Physical Critical Strike damage

+5.9% Armour Penetration

+1.2% Spell Resistance

-6.9% DoT damage taken

-5% Poison/Disease/Magic damage taken

-5% Flame/Frost/Shock damage taken.

When killed, heal Allies within 8m by X

50% reduced Gathering times

Better items from Treasure Chests

15% chance to return X damage to attacker when blocking a melee attack, 5 second cooldown

You don't have to be a genius to notice these aren't small differences.
In fact, these are equal to dozens of set bonuses from gear, which would make purchasing these boosters basicly the same as purchasing some uber gear with billion set bonuses.

How is this not P2W to (some) people?

Rosveen · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Govalon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

They have already said that XP potion will be in the store.

Source plz?

Im done if thats the case.

It was in the latest road a head. I edited the link in my previous post a little late but here it is again:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151496/experience-boost-potion-announced-today/p1

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february

"As such, I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point, as this kind of shortcut (spending less time to gain experience) is classified as a convenience. That way, you still have the choice of purchasing them with crowns or in-game gold."

The "Road Ahead" article was updated. See the revision below.

As such, I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point, as this kind of shortcut (spending less time to gain experience) is classified as a convenience. We're still discussing what convenience items we'll also make available for purchase in-game with gold. Nothing is defined yet, though

Source:
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february

From now on I will be running WinDiff on every statement made by ZOS regarding topics that have significance to me to check for inconsistencies or undocumented alterations.

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They edited the Road Ahead and didn't even document it? Wow. That's a new low. I'm glad I lost all my trust in their official statements months ago, otherwise I'd be pretty angry right now.

As for the potion itself, bad idea. However, it doesn't affect me personally because I'd be miles behind anyway even with normal progression.

Khaldar · March 2015

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

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10% XP potion is not worth leaving the game in my opinion. If was larger I could understand, but 10% that is not that sizeable of an advantage to give up on all my toons and the time I have invested.

The only thing that would make me leave the game is if they sold something in the store as advertised and nerfed it to death without offering the crowns returned. Then I would give them the middle finger lol...

PKMN12 · March 2015

Khaldar wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories]

10% XP potion is not worth leaving the game in my opinion. If was larger I could understand, but 10% that is not that sizeable of an advantage to give up on all my toons and the time I have invested.

The only thing that would make me leave the game is if they sold something in the store as advertised and nerfed it to death without offering the crowns returned. Then I would give them the middle finger lol...

They are 50% xy boosts in reality not 10%

Khaldar · March 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Khaldar wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories]

10% XP potion is not worth leaving the game in my opinion. If was larger I could understand, but 10% that is not that sizeable of an advantage to give up on all my toons and the time I have invested.

The only thing that would make me leave the game is if they sold something in the store as advertised and nerfed it to death without offering the crowns returned. Then I would give them the middle finger lol...

They are 50% xy boosts in reality not 10%

If they are indeed an actual 50% boost by themselves, then it will only take 3 members of this community to scream nerf and they will do so. This staff has conditioned the gamers to whine about anything and they will change it (Legit XP grinding spots, CS Pots, Classes, Light Armor, etc, etc...).

PKMN12 · March 2015

Khaldar wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Khaldar wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories]

10% XP potion is not worth leaving the game in my opinion. If was larger I could understand, but 10% that is not that sizeable of an advantage to give up on all my toons and the time I have invested.

The only thing that would make me leave the game is if they sold something in the store as advertised and nerfed it to death without offering the crowns returned. Then I would give them the middle finger lol...

They are 50% xy boosts in reality not 10%

If they are indeed an actual 50% boost by themselves, then it will only take 3 members of this community to scream nerf and they will do so. This staff has conditioned the gamers to whine about anything and they will change it (Legit XP grinding spots, CS Pots, Classes, Light Armor, etc, etc...).

none of those get them money.

Khaldar · March 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Khaldar wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Khaldar wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

If they sold exp potions in the store.

I would leave the game.

Not worth playing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories]

10% XP potion is not worth leaving the game in my opinion. If was larger I could understand, but 10% that is not that sizeable of an advantage to give up on all my toons and the time I have invested.

The only thing that would make me leave the game is if they sold something in the store as advertised and nerfed it to death without offering the crowns returned. Then I would give them the middle finger lol...

They are 50% xy boosts in reality not 10%

If they are indeed an actual 50% boost by themselves, then it will only take 3 members of this community to scream nerf and they will do so. This staff has conditioned the gamers to whine about anything and they will change it (Legit XP grinding spots, CS Pots, Classes, Light Armor, etc, etc...).

none of those get them money.

Crown Store pots