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suggestion: please don't let veteran 14 steal-farm mobs of non-veteran-14-players
Xandryah
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i have noticed that many veteran 14 players go to places (BAnkorai in the north) to gain xp for champion points, many just steal the mobs of other players, that also try to kill those mobs (farming). this behavior is very very disturbing, some go in groups to farm and just grab and steal other players mobs , already engaged in a fight.
as far as i know , the xp is distributed according to the damage done during the fight...
can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?
in swtor for instance, the player that damaged a mob or a group of mob first will get the experience after a successful out-of-combat...maybe you can adopt that for the last zone in every faction (Bankorai for AD -players).
Thank you for any change in this direction and making the game pleasant for every one.
Xandryah
as far as i know , the xp is distributed according to the damage done during the fight...
can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?
in swtor for instance, the player that damaged a mob or a group of mob first will get the experience after a successful out-of-combat...maybe you can adopt that for the last zone in every faction (Bankorai for AD -players).
Thank you for any change in this direction and making the game pleasant for every one.
Xandryah
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jluceyub17_ESO✭✭✭Unfortunately due to the nerfs of XP in Craglorn, the final Caldwell's Gold zone is the only area left for v14's to do effective grinding. They have just as much a right as you do to killing those mobs and the XP is currently set up to give full credit to anyone who significantly contributes to the kill. Your suggestion would lead to even more griefing with grinders running around shooting every mob hoping other people will handle the kill and gift them xp.7
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✭There's noplace else for V14's to go. Zoning into Craglorn now costs you 50k exp.
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭Vr 14's going to non veteran levels and stealing kills for exp? nope they won't get any in non vet levels. If they are killing things in non vet levels - they are griefing which you can report.4 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you ask me (and be nice about it), I will stop my farming and grinding for you to kill some NPCs for a quest. ESO need to support all the play styles including grinding and farming. Well this what happens when ZOS nerf the good grind spots and forced the players to other areas.3 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wait, are you saying that they're doing this in non-vet zones, or are you referring to the veteran versions of the zones?
I don't understand why VR14s would do this in non-vet zones, as I don't think they'd get any XP for it...
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Pausekey✭✭✭Wait a minute, if a VR 14 went to any non vet zone other than Coldharbour, they would get no experience. So either the OP's complaint has no merit, or he is complaining that VR 14s are farming mobs in a VR 10 zone, which is nothing odd or unusual.
Edit: Or VR 5 zone, depending on faction.Edited by Pausekey on March 18, 2015 9:24PM4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you were already trying to kill a mob as you state and help to kill it you still get XP.
So how is that "stealing"?Edited by TequilaFire on March 18, 2015 9:20PM0 -
tinythinker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i have noticed that many veteran 14 players go to places (BAnkorai in the north) to gain xp for champion points, many just steal the mobs of other players, that also try to kill those mobs (farming). this behavior is very very disturbing, some go in groups to farm and just grab and steal other players mobs , already engaged in a fight.
So... no, because:Vr 14's going to non veteran levels and stealing kills for exp? nope they won't get any in non vet levels.
Edit: Based on a closer read it looks like the OP may have just forgotten to put in "non-veteran-14-zones" and instead wrote "non-veteran-zones". As always, a quick glance is often not enough to understand what someone is trying to convey. Was not paying close enough attention/skimming.
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✭i have noticed that many veteran 14 players go to places (BAnkorai in the north) to gain xp for champion points, many just steal the mobs of other players, that also try to kill those mobs (farming). this behavior is very very disturbing, some go in groups to farm and just grab and steal other players mobs , already engaged in a fight.
as far as i know , the xp is distributed according to the damage done during the fight...
can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?
in swtor for instance, the player that damaged a mob or a group of mob first will get the experience after a successful out-of-combat...maybe you can adopt that for the last zone in every faction (Bankorai for AD -players).
Thank you for any change in this direction and making the game pleasant for every one.
Xandryah
Don't worry, it won't take long for a ZOS nerf in a hot fix and then they won't be doing this. If ZOS would improve the XP where it SHOULD be this wouldn't be an issue either. PVP, V12+ Dungeons, Trials and Craglorn all need proportionate XP as they should because THEY ARE THE END GAME CONTENT....
ZOS, IF YOUR NOT GOING TO GIVE NEW CONTENT, THEN INCREASE THE XP FOR DOING THE SAME OLD END LEVEL CONTENT WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS....NA Server - Kildair7 -
jluceyub17_ESO✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »i have noticed that many veteran 14 players go to places (BAnkorai in the north) to gain xp for champion points, many just steal the mobs of other players, that also try to kill those mobs (farming). this behavior is very very disturbing, some go in groups to farm and just grab and steal other players mobs , already engaged in a fight.
So... no, because:Vr 14's going to non veteran levels and stealing kills for exp? nope they won't get any in non vet levels.
I think OP's post makes it pretty clear he's an AD player complaining about V14's coming into Bangkorai (second to last sentence specifically). Which makes this:
very applicable. BRING BACK THE LOL BUTTONI would pay a 1000 crowns for a LOL button.Edited by jluceyub17_ESO on March 18, 2015 9:27PM4 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭LOL - ^^This. I would pay my 3K crowns for that damn LOL button right now. This is ridiculous. WTF gives anyone the right to try and regulate how someone else plays? At this point, we are all financially vested into this game (or else we wouldn't be able to post) So how is it that anyone, like the OP, can think that their money entitles them to something special in the way of game play? And how can someone "steal" XP? Is that even possible? And with the introduction of the Justice System, wouldn't you get a bounty for "stealing"? And if you don't, then isn't it technically legal to do? I am really confused.
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Well yeah, he says that, but he also says this:jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »I think OP's post makes it pretty clear he's an AD player complaining about V14's coming into Bangkorai (second to last sentence specifically).
So I have no idea which scenario he's actually talking about...can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭It's the non-veteran-zones that makes the whole thing fishy. Which is why I posted what I did.0
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »If you were already trying to kill a mob as you state and help to kill it you still get XP.
So how is that "stealing"?
Because the exp ends up being lower if two ungrouped people both get credit rather than a single player or a grouped duo. And in aoe situations you may not be able to damage all of the mobs significantly enough while you are still rounding them up, so it's easy for someone else to swoop in and steal the kills. Happens all the time, actually.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but the person doing the "stealing" also gets reduced XP so all is fair.
Just too much QQ about this lately.2 -
tinythinker✭✭✭✭✭
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Well yeah, he says that, but he also says this:jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »I think OP's post makes it pretty clear he's an AD player complaining about V14's coming into Bangkorai (second to last sentence specifically).
So I have no idea which scenario he's actually talking about...can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?It's the non-veteran-zones that makes the whole thing fishy. Which is why I posted what I did.
If the OP meant non-vet zones -- as it was written in the body of the text -- then it makes no sense to talk about vets stealing XP from lower level players. I suspect that the OP just left out "14" and intended to write "non-vet 14 zones" in the body of the text.
In any case, to the larger and more substantial point, during the last "ESO Live!" it was suggested that they were going to look at XP gains outside of questing to provide more/better ways to earn championship points. Of course, if and when any changes will be made are matters of conjecture at this point.
Until then many VR12-VR14 players will go wherever they can to grind XP. Increasing the values for XP for mobs in Craglorn Delves and Veteran Dungeons or granting (more) XP from their associated repeatable quests/pledges makes more sense than introducing a system for "protecting kills" since the former makes the latter unnecessary. Finding a way for PvPers to gain more XP directly in Cyrodiil or adding a way to gain extra enlightenment or earn championship points from doing PvP activities would also help.
Edited to add: OK, well, they are going to be increasing XP gains in Cyrodiil.Edited by tinythinker on March 18, 2015 11:48PM❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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pugyourself✭✭✭✭i have noticed that many veteran 14 players go to places (BAnkorai in the north) to gain xp for champion points, many just steal the mobs of other players, that also try to kill those mobs (farming). this behavior is very very disturbing, some go in groups to farm and just grab and steal other players mobs , already engaged in a fight.
as far as i know , the xp is distributed according to the damage done during the fight...
can you please change that for veteran players 14 in non-veteran-zones, so that those greedy veteran 14 players don't go farming like this and to avoid this mis-behavior?
in swtor for instance, the player that damaged a mob or a group of mob first will get the experience after a successful out-of-combat...maybe you can adopt that for the last zone in every faction (Bankorai for AD -players).
Thank you for any change in this direction and making the game pleasant for every one.
Xandryah
They may also be there picking up missed sky shards. What would you have them do when encountering a mob? They have a right to fight them. If they helped you with a mob by throwing a shot your way say thanks instead of complaining.4 -
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✭This is what happens when ZoS nerfs the crap out of VR11-13 mobs. There's no place on the landscape for VR14 players to kill normal mobs for full exp, so they invade the VR10 zone to at least get 75% of a kill.
DSA also gives proper exp still, but you cant really grind that casually.
Anyway, not surprised it's impossible to quest at certain VR10 locations now. But what to do? Craglorn mobs gives same exp as trash in Coldharbour. They really need to sort this, but I expect the "solution" will be nerfing monster exp in VR10 zones to lol.3 -
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✭✭Bangkorai for me is vr10 zone. Yes people do steal mobs from time to time (one of my pet hates). Other times comes down to bad timing, with 2 or more players arriving at the same spot & attacking mobs.
VR14 need places to grind for champion points. Craglorn is not a good place due to the xp nerfs.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)2 -
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✭✭✭✭I laugh at your claim on those mobs. I was there before you and already claimed them.2 -
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✭Sorry OP, it's the nature of the game, I get the frustration since I'm busy trying to level through Cadwells Silver at the moment, but I don't think it's reasonable to suddenly deny anyone the ability to farm just because it's inconvenient to us.0 -
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✭✭What a funny thread. No one really knows what the OP is complaining about, and OP has not been back to clarify. I can't imagine a vet chasing mobs in their home (non-vet) alliance, since they should not be getting XP. But if they happen to be there completing quests or chasing achievements, they have every right to do so. OP, either set us straight, of don't worry about it, mobs will respawn.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
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Avindra✭✭Vr 14's going to non veteran levels and stealing kills for exp? nope they won't get any in non vet levels. If they are killing things in non vet levels - they are griefing which you can report.
It is actually not a non-vet area, I think he meant to say non craglorn.
Bangkorai is a vet 10 area for AD players which is where ZOS has forced them to get XP.Edited by Avindra on March 19, 2015 2:33AM0 -
Avindra✭✭This is what happens when ZoS nerfs the crap out of VR11-13 mobs. There's no place on the landscape for VR14 players to kill normal mobs for full exp, so they invade the VR10 zone to at least get 75% of a kill.
DSA also gives proper exp still, but you cant really grind that casually.
Anyway, not surprised it's impossible to quest at certain VR10 locations now. But what to do? Craglorn mobs gives same exp as trash in Coldharbour. They really need to sort this, but I expect the "solution" will be nerfing monster exp in VR10 zones to lol.
Then the Vet14s can move onto the vet 9 zones0 -
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✭✭Vr 14's going to non veteran levels and stealing kills for exp? nope they won't get any in non vet levels. If they are killing things in non vet levels - they are griefing which you can report.
It is actually not a non-vet area, I think he meant to say non craglorn.
Bangkorai is a vet 10 area for AD players which is where ZOS has forced them to get XP.
If this assumption is correct, then it follows that as a DC doing Caldwells Gold now, I should not be killing mobs? Am I supposed to stand by and let them kill me? Craglorn is NOT the home of VR14s, or should be we trying to kick out everyone who's not VR14 there? More thought should have been put into the creation of this thread. It's nonsense.
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Aren_Liore✭✭✭But, the lol button was used to troll people... I much prefer they bring back the respectable "disagree" button we had during beta. As far as people grinding on my mobs, I don't really care unless they are preventing me from doing a quest (which has never happened to me) Because unless you are trying to grind too, you still get credit for the kill as long as you placed a single hit on them (as far as I know) so there's really nothing to complain about.
If they are truly preventing you from progressing, ask them nicely to not necessarily stop what they are doing, but ask them to help you. A lot of people are nice enough to stand down and let you get a few hits in before melting the mobs.2 -
Xandryah✭✭✭Hello
thank you for the many comments, most of you have written quite a lot of your thoughts, i appreciate it very much
i thought my discussion would probably be a hopeless case and i would only earn some short LOL-kind of comments; i was wrong
Anyway, i think, probably, i just wanted to appeal to some behavior, because it's not nice and decent to steal mobs from players that are already engaged in a fight. Yeah, everyone has right to grind/farm, but not to steal other players mobs once a fight has begun (especially). It's a virtual world, but some behaviors just have a real life impact.
I can understand if playing with some teenagers, but when playing with adults, younger or older, people probably expect something else..
Cheers, bye
Xandryah
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