Anybody else disappointed by the Crown Store's offerings?

Chuggernaut · March 2015

I'm actually glad its not like the DDO version of the Crown Store. Keep it mostly cosmetic I say

Rosveen · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

Kulrig wrote: »

I find it laughable that people are comparing a B2P cash shop with F2P cash shops. Of course F2P cash shops like Rift or SWTOR are going to be more extensive, they've been around for years. That's also their entire source of income, and have to accommodate for the large percentage of people buying little or nothing yet still clogging their servers and running up their electric bills. Meanwhile, ESO has the benefit of every single player having to buy a copy of the game.

Also keep in mind that most F2P games have either been built from the ground up on the idea that cash shop revenue is going to support the game, thus a larger amount of development time and resources go into making goodies for the shop, or were previously subscription based games that had to go the F2P route to survive thus had to put quite a bit of time and effort into making goodies for the shop.

So considering the fact that every single player is spending at least $60 to play ESO because there isn't even a demo or trial version, they have enough revenue to support themselves for a while off of that. They'll also get quite a bit of income whenever they release DLCs, so really the shop has no need to be anywhere near as well stocked as an F2P game's shop would be. That said...

Moar costumes plz.

A one-time purchase of a box does not keep a game alive. You know who keeps the game alive in this system? The same people as in full F2P games: the cash shop whales. So TESO better throw it's Captain Ahab skivvies on and start chasing Moby *** before it's too late.

They censored the name of one of the greatest American novels.

I love the forum censor, I really do. It's almost as funny as when it censored one of the provisioning ingredients.

SantieClaws · March 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

If they implement male and female versions, we should be free to choose the one we prefer. I feel this is important to point out. If the force me into a dress, I'm not buying.

Oh totally. Both versions should be there in the store and we should have the choice to buy one or both - not be automatically assigned one or the other.

Lestorn · March 2015

Did it occur to you that this was actually the best course of action to take?

Stop and think about this for a moment. You're a year old MMO, that until now has been pay to play game. You needed to transition over, to a buy to play model, with an optional subscription fee, that gives you slight bonuses. You know that you have a history of poor releases, or massive glitches in your products that have to be patched over, almost instantly.

So you now have options. You release this massive change, and an overwhelming store, that could backlash, *** up horribly, and leave you having to take the game offline for a day or two to isolate, and correct the problem, do a rollback, and make sure everyone got their crowns returned so they could purchase what they want.

OR, you could release a VERY minimalistic store, knowing your history with changes, and releases, and feel almost no blowback if something goes wrong, meaning that if it does, it will be far easier to deal with, and almost promise a smoother transition, then add stuff over time.

I think this was the best road to take.

UrQuan · March 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

Kulrig wrote: »

I find it laughable that people are comparing a B2P cash shop with F2P cash shops. Of course F2P cash shops like Rift or SWTOR are going to be more extensive, they've been around for years. That's also their entire source of income, and have to accommodate for the large percentage of people buying little or nothing yet still clogging their servers and running up their electric bills. Meanwhile, ESO has the benefit of every single player having to buy a copy of the game.

Also keep in mind that most F2P games have either been built from the ground up on the idea that cash shop revenue is going to support the game, thus a larger amount of development time and resources go into making goodies for the shop, or were previously subscription based games that had to go the F2P route to survive thus had to put quite a bit of time and effort into making goodies for the shop.

So considering the fact that every single player is spending at least $60 to play ESO because there isn't even a demo or trial version, they have enough revenue to support themselves for a while off of that. They'll also get quite a bit of income whenever they release DLCs, so really the shop has no need to be anywhere near as well stocked as an F2P game's shop would be. That said...

Moar costumes plz.

A one-time purchase of a box does not keep a game alive. You know who keeps the game alive in this system? The same people as in full F2P games: the cash shop whales. So TESO better throw it's Captain Ahab skivvies on and start chasing Moby *** before it's too late.

They censored the name of one of the greatest American novels. I love the forum censor, I really do. It's almost as funny as when it censored one of the provisioning ingredients.

lol I noticed that too... Just call it Moby Richard.

Zorvan · March 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

Kulrig wrote: »

I find it laughable that people are comparing a B2P cash shop with F2P cash shops. Of course F2P cash shops like Rift or SWTOR are going to be more extensive, they've been around for years. That's also their entire source of income, and have to accommodate for the large percentage of people buying little or nothing yet still clogging their servers and running up their electric bills. Meanwhile, ESO has the benefit of every single player having to buy a copy of the game.

Also keep in mind that most F2P games have either been built from the ground up on the idea that cash shop revenue is going to support the game, thus a larger amount of development time and resources go into making goodies for the shop, or were previously subscription based games that had to go the F2P route to survive thus had to put quite a bit of time and effort into making goodies for the shop.

So considering the fact that every single player is spending at least $60 to play ESO because there isn't even a demo or trial version, they have enough revenue to support themselves for a while off of that. They'll also get quite a bit of income whenever they release DLCs, so really the shop has no need to be anywhere near as well stocked as an F2P game's shop would be. That said...

Moar costumes plz.

A one-time purchase of a box does not keep a game alive. You know who keeps the game alive in this system? The same people as in full F2P games: the cash shop whales. So TESO better throw it's Captain Ahab skivvies on and start chasing Moby *** before it's too late.

They censored the name of one of the greatest American novels. I love the forum censor, I really do. It's almost as funny as when it censored one of the provisioning ingredients.

rofl I just noticed that.

Crica · March 2015

I liked the black panther pet, it doesn't have anything in it that appeals to me beyond that, i'm not dissapointed that it does not, but if ZoS wants my cash, adding really cool DYEABLE costumes WITHOUT MASKS would def get me to toss my money at the screen!

Breg_Magol · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

It's over guys and gals, no reason to complain about it anymore. majority of us love the game and unfortunately they don't care how we have been treated or care if we stay or go. They have taken the MMORPG players and threw us under the bus so they could get more people in the game.

OK ... the guy feels let down, gypped even ... obviously the ZOS made choices that moulded the game into something far from BigM's expectations.

Continuing forward ...

BigM wrote: »

I will still give the game great reviews only because I love it. But that same review will cover how we were treated by the company with untruth's from beta to present. Then end the review to just say yep you need to buy the game and play it you won't be sorry.

................................ ??

Whatch-you-sayin' there BigM?
Are you trying to befuddle me? Surely if you still love the end result it stands to reason that ZOS must have made the right choices to get the game to this state?

Hurbster · March 2015

There are already enough commenters on sites like MassivelyOP with their knives out for this game without Zenimax flooding the crown store with tat. For myself I'm expecting it to gradually turn into something like store in The Secret World. Plenty of clothes/costumes, mounts, pets and maybe a few xp boosts aimed at the high level grinding.

UrQuan · March 2015

Breg_Magol wrote: »

the guy feels let down, gypped even

I'd guess you're not aware of it, but that's actually a racist term.

cabbageub17_ESO · March 2015

I'll say this about the crown store, the preview function is the best I've ever seen.

PKMN12 · March 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

The only things that would be worth while now would be XP bonus potions. I'm not in any rush to get CP so I will wait until there's worthwhile DLC content to use crowns on.

NO, THAT IS A BIG SLIPPERY SLOPE. This game SHOULD ONLY have the slection of stuff that they have at the moment. They should ONLY have mounts, costums, and pets. NOTHING ELSE OR IT RISKS GOING P2W.

Kulrig · March 2015

Put my post in a spoiler tag because it was long. Anyway...

A few things. B and F 2P are far removed from each other because different expectations go with each. In one, the customer is putting forth some money up front in order to play at all. In the other, any money spent does not influence whether or not one can play. Some F2P games may restrict content and severely limit what free players can accomplish, but almost the entire game is available for no cost whatsoever (for the ones worth playing, at least).

Second, I actually forgot SWOTR was at one point a sub based game. The transition happened so fast that in hindsight my mind pinned it as something akin to Neverwinter. My bad. As for Rift, at first I was heartbroken when they announced the F2P transition because it had the potential to go so horribly wrong. But they did probably one of the best transitions in the industry, and I applaud the fact that you still have to earn the best stuff by actually playing the game unlike NWO.

Third, online games have been kept alive from one-time sales long before the advent of cash shops. Examples that come to my mind include Warcraft 2 and 3 as well as the Diablo and Starcraft series. Guild Wars also did well for itself with one time purchases, but they also released a lot of expansions (and good reason to buy each) so that really helped in keeping it afloat.

Reliance on cash shops for income replaces reliance on expansions, so in the end we get more character customization options and greater ability to "catch up" but less actual content. I would totally rather have to buy an expansion every year or two than see a well stocked cash shop, because more expansions means more content. It means more things to do, more things to see, more reasons to keep playing. Cash shop just means that I can look a bit more spiffy or have a different pet, which does little to keep me long term. And depending on how much the game pushes the shop, for example Neverwinter, I just play it for a little bit and then find something else that isn't reminding me to buy something every few mobs.

I can't deny that cash shops have become a major force in online gaming nowadays, to the point where even B2P and subscription based games employ them, but to say that a cash shop for a B2P game should be as well stocked on day one as a F2P cash shop that has had years to evolve is ludicrous. That said...

Moar costumes plz.

Edit: Fixing formatting problems

Kulrig · March 2015

Jeez that post came out garbled. Can't edit it either.

... I really have to learn to stop posting drunk.

MikeMoss · March 2015

Hi

I feel pretty much the same, I have 4.700 Crowns and I did by one costume pack so my new character doesn't run around looking like a peon, but otherwise I don't see anything to spend it on.

Maybe I'll buy one of the weird mounts, I'll still have a lot of Crowns left and since I'm a subscriber more to come.

But really what can the sell, more outfits?

I don't really see where this is going, in The Secret World I used my points to buy new content at regular intervals.
And clothes were fun because there was no specific look, you could dress like anything but that doesn't really work with ESO.

Mike

drschplatt · March 2015

Haha, I felt the same way. I logged in, opened the crown store and thought, "That's it?"

Guess I can save my crowns up from subbing and eventually buy something cool if it ever comes out. I'd probably spend crowns on silly fluff items for housing, different horse tack, wacky seasonal costumes, store specific emotes (juggling, fire breathing, robot dance, moonwalk, break dancing, etc), intractable fun items (snowballs, water balloons, lantern, torch, oven mitts, bag of coins) or roll playing gear (world specific tabards, fireworks, etc).

Kragorn · March 2015

I think the Store is terrible, there's nothing in in that remotely interests me.

Now, I'm not saying that's why it's 'terrible', clearly it's an entirely personal view however if *I* can't find anything I'd want to pay $$$ for neither will a good number of others. At most I could see maybe spending some of the Ks of Crowns I have on a guar mount, and probably the cat pet (the small Housecat not the absurdly huge panther!), but after that, nothing.

This is bad because the Store is clearly ZOS main hope for a revenue stream going forward and as such the lack of enticing stuff at launch doesn't bode well.

Let's not get into the facile P2W argument, B2P/F2P IS about P2W, it's down to one's own definition of win whether the line is drawn acceptably or not. The fact is at launch there's nothing of any real value after the initial novelty has worn off.

I fully expect the Store to get stuffed in June, but given the number of subscriptions will only go down from now on then the Store needs to replace that revenue and it's current stock ain't gonna do that!

seaef · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You don't want a guar mount? You should get a guar mount...

Some toons don't look very good on guars, I must say. I really wanted to want one.. but I don't yet.

I'll be checking them out with my imperial DK tonight.. but my barbie doll (princess) looking toons look MUCH better on a horse. Or maybe a Senche lol

My Argonian savage looks great on a guar mount

I think a guar would be better on a spit, roasting over a fire. I'll ride my horse.