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Iago wrote: »

Skafsgaard wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

I disagree with race change allowing it gives players an easy out. If your racialis or class were changed then find a way to make your character work in the new system or roll another. Having everything handed to you will not do any good for you ass person in the long run.

Moral of.the story be happy with what you have and make it work.

I see these replies a lot - I always fail to see the argument, for sure if it was a single player game I would agree, but then you wouldnt need to spend around 6-9 months in PvP land to get certain skills.

And it's not 'an easy' out, it saves us doing WHAT WE HAVE DONE ALREADY?!?

So you just want something handed to you because you don't want to put in the work on a new charachter.

Then simply find a way to make you character work.

Actually i put the work in researching race and class and came up with the best combo.....

Then it was changed. I am not willing to reroll a character to essential change 4 skills.

Tell me why am i allowed to change other skill points but not racial skill points when they make a major change?

It's bs

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Here.

so helpful.

Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »

It's hilarious reading people's objections to this 'it's lore breaking' or even better 'it will ruin my immersion...!'

1) Zos really should offer this, even if it's a one off after they changed the racials so dramatically (compounded by the soft cap removal).

2) If you're not planning on using it yourself it will not affect you in the slightest (unless you're terrified you'll lose your 'edge' in PvP... But it will make Zos a boatload of cash to reinvest in the game. Everyone's a winner!

You say it's hilarious but you don't offer a reason why. Let me give you a reason why I don't think it's hilarious : I like variety and some persistent aspects of character identity (like class and race). I also like that characters have to earn their status.

Let me give you another reason why I'm against it : you want to pay money to have better stats than other players. You're not even arguing for a more level playing field. You literally want to pay for an advantage over others.

How about you give some real reasons, instead of saying 'this won't affect you' when clearly, it will.

gurgnir wrote: »

Skafsgaard wrote: »

paying to change a race is not about paying to get better stats, it's about levelling the playing field. A lot of ppl are stuck with poor race choice, since the game and your experience of it has changed so much. Relolling (typo but fun so I left it in ) is not really an option as a PvP player, since there're some powerful bonuses (passives) and cool active abilites that you have to unlock first - and believe me it's not comparable to levelling a weapon line and getting the last skill morphed. IF they had Alliance Rank bound to account - I could be convinced to reroll and just focus on levelling the stuff I need (but would still have to collect mages book 2nd time around JUST for meteor..) this is basically the problem, this game is not alt friendly and rerolling isnt something that's on the table. See I dont enjoy my journey from 1-v14 - I feel calm and relaxed at v14. Ppl play mmo's different - and tbh, if I wanted real immersion or lore i would never play online..

So I cant really see the fuss about not being able to (like me) go stamina or if some is stuck with a nord and they dont want to tank, jsut dps.. let them change for gods sake - whats the problem? With race change stats will be evened out - and yes, all will be able to afford the 25 bucks - its basically a sub period of which they dont have to pay now anyways - can use it on a race change and all wins - no?

Or do you have the OP imperial race and dont want ppl on ur lvl?

But I really won't support an argument which is reducible to : 'I want to pay money to have better stats than other players'.

If people argued instead for a reduction in the benefits of racial bonuses then I'd support it. It's a good and fair suggestion.

For ref, my main is an Argonian healer.

As it is now, it is those who shelled out for Imp edition or Explorer pack that PAYS to have better stats... with race change it's even for all, so you see - you have no argument there.

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i have explorer pack, and have the option to pick 'the perfect race' for my build, this is bascially p2w - I don't understand you cannot see this?

Skafsgaard wrote: »

As it is now, it is those who shelled out for Imp edition or Explorer pack that PAYS to have better stats... with race change it's even for all, so you see - you have no argument there.

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i have explorer pack, and have the option to pick 'the perfect race' for my build, this is bascially p2w - I don't understand you cannot see this?

Yeah, I won't dispute nor have I disputed that the paywalled Imperial race is powerful. At the moment the Imperial appears to have certain advantages for certain builds. But a person still has to create and level up an Imperial character if they want to have that advantage. They have to earn it. They don't get the advantages at level 1. They can't just buy a potion from the crown store to change their VR14 Argonian into an VR14 Imperial.

Anyway, the key phrase here is: "at the moment". The racial bonuses will almost definitely change. New FOTM races will emerge after a racial rebalance. It always happens.

So after the next rebalance - when new race/build combinations become more powerful than others - is it right that end-game players who are willing to pay for a race change get to enjoy the advantages over endgame players who aren't willing to pay?

Because that's what will happen if people are allowed to pay to change their race. After every patch, when racials are rebalanced and new FOTMs emerge, those that are willing will pay and get the advantage. Those that aren't willing, well, they can re-roll (or find a way to make their existing build work) or live with the penalty. That's if they aren't already running a fotm combination.

I'm OK with people re-rolling or finding a way to make builds works, provided they put the effort in. I don't like the idea of people being able to buy a race-change potion every time the racial bonuses get tweaked, so they can be running the most optimised build with the minimum amount of effort.

If the game is truely supposed to be play as you like, the zos should add a racial passive pack to the crown store. This pack would allow the racial passives to be selected on a points basis from a list. The points costs could include cost reduction for specific passives (mostly fluff) for specific races. Thus an Argonian healer might be able to change his passives to healing delivered, max magicka, and magicka regeneration.

The trick would be in the costs, the implementation of mutually exclusive passives, and the flexibility to allow combinational passives (ie 3% max health and fire resistance).

But let's be honest, that is just a pipedream.

@Clutch lol. Yeah maybe... except the champion system sits on top of the racial passives and does not replace them.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Clutch lol. Yeah maybe... except the champion system sits on top of the racial passives and does not replace them.

Well they're not supposed to, they're meant to counter balance. Bringing you back in-line, not get rid of one stat and replace it with another. Take Vamps for example, there's the option to add resistance to fire which helps improve their survivability.

I was going to put up a rant against this, put i will just wait and see what the devs will do. It's their game and their vision and if this is really going where i think it will go, then no amount of care for the elder scrolls series, lore or dedication to the game will change that path.

I won't level another character. I have an Argonian VR14 sorc and NB. Way too much time invested to start over. More importantly, I'd rather stab my eyes out then see the content a fifth time.

I'll pay for a race respec. However, I would rather ZoS rebalance the passives. If they don't, the Argonian race will vanish like Dwemer. Except for the 2 Argonian roleplayers in Riften...

Now would be a good time, before free players get to invested in their races.

seanvwolf wrote: »

Personally, I think that if you are that upset about the direction the importance of racials are playing, then you can't be upset when someone turns around and says, "You nerfed my class. I want the ability to choose a different class." I myself wouldn't move heaven and earth to ask for this.

There are two classes of people here, I think:

1) Those who made a roleplay choice on looks and backstory rather than passives.
2) Those who made a choice on passives as it may benefit classes.

If you are asking to change your race now there are two responses.

1) You made a choice on roleplay other than passives. Nothing has changed. Reroll a new character.
2) Now that classes have a more balanced (skewed to magicka) selection of magicka and stamina based options, your passives as they exist still allow you to lean on them to some degree. Nothing significant has changed. Reroll a new character.

I"m not trying to be mean. Just being a realist. The game changes. Parts move. If ZOS has to give you the option to change virtually everything at the drop of a dollar, then where is the incentive to roll more than one character?

Browse through the forums. There are people who are wanting to change names, change appearance, change race, change class, change alliance. Perhaps ZOS should just limit us all to one character slot with 8x inventory bag and 48 hirelings, just because this morning you were a dark elf dragonknight in the Ebonhart Pact and by tonight you'll want be an Imperial Nightblade in the Daggerfall Covenant.

Your missing the point, people like me are stuck with races that leave them at a major disadvantage. A example is me, i want to dps and this is what i love doing and want to do, everything was fine in 1.5 i did over 1k-1.4k dps and I could join elite groups to do stuff like SO. After this patch i was severely screwed i cant go stam or mag I don't have resource bonus or additional resources, nothing infact i barley get any decent passives in my race its quit sad. So what now ? i should be forced to waste a entire 1-2 months to get back to the point of where i am all for a race ? of course your gonna say yes cause your completely fine you have a race that benefits you and helps you ok that's nice but its not all about you, other people want to enjoy to. It's funny id like to see you play as a argonian nightblade or a nord dps and let's see how you feel.

It's gonna happen. It's one of the few things you could repeatedly purchase, unlike costumes and mounts, so it's guarenteed source of long term income for Zenimax. It doesn't give players an advantage it just lets them change how they want to play. People who are against this have no right to be because it's a service that has no impact on the way others play the game.

If I want to play a race because it fits my play style better than the one I chose initially that's my choice. given how much the game has changed in terms of stats I think a lot of people, myself included, are rethinking their original choice of race. I didn't even have the Imperial Edition when I first purchased the game and now that I have it I really want my main to be Imperial and not a Breton. I should be allowed to switch if I want to.

AngryNord wrote: »

Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »

2) If you're not planning on using it yourself it will not affect you in the slightest (unless you're terrified you'll lose your 'edge' in PvP... But it will make Zos a boatload of cash to reinvest in the game. Everyone's a winner!

Ah, but you see, it WILL affect others, e.g. when People start requesting "LF DK Tank for <insert Dungeon name here> - only Imperials wanted!"

ugh... that sounds terrible... fully functional racism in a fictional online RPG. Wonderfun.

how would cross faction race change work if you don't have the Expl... err... Adventurer Pack?