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Explorers Pack in Crown Store - say it ain't so!

  • Varicite
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    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    It's not hard to understand. In fact, I can point to you an entire thread of people arguing against me when I said that it would be on the Crown Store. It was an inevitability from the moment they announced B2P. Of course I recognized that, even if others apparently didn't.

    ZOS did actually say that it would not be on the Crown Store. It's quoted above a few times.

    You're saying that it was the truth less than 2 months ago when ZOS said:
    Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings.

    But now it's suddenly not. And that is somehow not a lie. Gotcha.

    You're a lawyer or politician, aren't you?
  • sagitter
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    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    What? Zos said what? about Eso or about Tamriel Unlimited? because it's passed 1 year since you can buy e-pack everywhere, and there are also many videos or screenshots about pts crownstore with explorer pack in it.so i remake the question, why complaining right now???
  • Iago
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    DeathTrap wrote: »
    Apologies for the confusion on this, everyone. This was simply a miscommunication and something that was intended to be removed, but an old version of this note inadvertently got published. The gist of this note was that items currently on the web store will be moved to the Crown Store (such as the Imperial Upgrade). Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings.

    Well, so much for this. I don't appreciate blatant lies, ZOS.

    Its in the crown store right now though, instead of calling it the explorers pack it's called the adventurers pack......
    That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

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  • Gidorick
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    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    I actually have a larger problem with THIS than it being in the crown store.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • Varicite
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    sagitter wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    What? Zos said what? about Eso or about Tamriel Unlimited? because it's passed 1 year since you can buy e-pack everywhere, and there are also many videos or screenshots about pts crownstore with explorer pack in it.so i remake the question, why complaining right now???

    They said while they were working on 1.6 that it wouldn't be on the Crown Store and that shut most people up.

    During the PTS, concerns were raised again and some of us tried to point out that it was coming to the Crown store and were told that ZOS would never do something like that (lol?) to their "loyal subscribers", etc etc. But I complained quite a bit about taking a back seat to potential whales before it hit live, as well.

    So I'm not "complaining right now". I'm saying "I told you so". I'm saying "Hey look, ZOS is lying to us yet again, and we're going to defend them treating us like dirt."

    People need to wise up. ZOS is NOT your friend, they do NOT care about misleading their players, and they are most likely NOT going to tell you the truth as long as it means they can squeeze a buck from you.
  • Lionxoft
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    This doesn't affect anyone's game play except it opens up options to those who didn't have the ability to play any race, any alliance.

    The way I see it, if it doesn't affect me negatively, I don't care--I'll keep playing. Even if it means someone else can now be a Breton in AD when they couldn't before. WHO CARES! At least that person is happier to play the game. I'd rather have thousands of happier players than try to please a handful of upset people who feel entitled. I'm a pre-orderer and feel good that if I got a friend to join for the first time, they don't have to have the race restrictions and play the race they love in the alliance I am in!

    Too many people feel they are more deserving of things because they were here first, pre-ordered, etc etc etc. I'm happy I pre-ordand am happy I got to create all my characters (back at release) in one alliance of all different races and don't have to worry about restarting any characters. People who get this option from the crown store have to start from scratch which may be what ZOS is aiming for... get people to start new characters and play through the content again or simply make new players happier to be able to gain these options at an extra expense.

    Stop being dramatic people and play the game and let others play to enjoy it as well. It's everyone's game, not just yours.
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    I think that it's all of the incentives to support the game from early on have been repurposed. The initial crown transition/reward, any race in any alliance, monkey beta pet, mudcrab and the senche mount indirectly being placed on the cash shop already.

    There's a point where one might ask themselves why they pre-ordered at all or supported the game from the start or even before then? I actually don't think there has been one item earned from supporting the game that hasn't been repurposed and solicited out. We basically beta tested this game for consoles and I don't think anyone can say this launch was in any shape or form smooth and to this day it still is not.

    If the any race in any alliance were not offered in the preorder package and made out to only be available via that route then I certainly would have waited for them to get their stuff together. That first month was a pretty bad launch and the months afterwards were not much better. Not to mention the price of the game dropped down as low as $12.

    As a company, you can only make your customers feel like fools for purchasing your service or product so many times. I know for a fact that I will never give ZOS another dime. Unfortunate for them but I think they blew that opportunity for themselves.
  • RedTalon
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    Fair Price, Fair Deal..Glad they listen to suggestions from people like me on that 1000+ crowns is fair.

    Now monkey pet for 2000 crowns would be fair also
    Edited by RedTalon on March 17, 2015 1:30AM
  • LtCrunch
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    It's not hard to understand. In fact, I can point to you an entire thread of people arguing against me when I said that it would be on the Crown Store. It was an inevitability from the moment they announced B2P. Of course I recognized that, even if others apparently didn't.

    ZOS did actually say that it would not be on the Crown Store. It's quoted above a few times.

    You're saying that it was the truth less than 2 months ago when ZOS said:
    Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings.

    But now it's suddenly not. And that is somehow not a lie. Gotcha.

    You're a lawyer or politician, aren't you?

    Well technically they didn't lie. The Explorer's Pack is not in the Crown Store. The Adventurer's Pack is though. Yes it's the same thing, and ZOS was deliberately misleading, but they didn't technically lie. Why are people surprised by developers being deliberately misleading at this point? It's commonplace and nothing new. Their PR machines function in much the same way that a political campaign does(as you pointed out).

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  • LtCrunch
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    This doesn't affect anyone's game play except it opens up options to those who didn't have the ability to play any race, any alliance.

    The way I see it, if it doesn't affect me negatively, I don't care--I'll keep playing. Even if it means someone else can now be a Breton in AD when they couldn't before. WHO CARES! At least that person is happier to play the game. I'd rather have thousands of happier players than try to please a handful of upset people who feel entitled. I'm a pre-orderer and feel good that if I got a friend to join for the first time, they don't have to have the race restrictions and play the race they love in the alliance I am in!

    Too many people feel they are more deserving of things because they were here first, pre-ordered, etc etc etc. I'm happy I pre-ordand am happy I got to create all my characters (back at release) in one alliance of all different races and don't have to worry about restarting any characters. People who get this option from the crown store have to start from scratch which may be what ZOS is aiming for... get people to start new characters and play through the content again or simply make new players happier to be able to gain these options at an extra expense.

    Stop being dramatic people and play the game and let others play to enjoy it as well. It's everyone's game, not just yours.
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    I think that it's all of the incentives to support the game from early on have been repurposed. The initial crown transition/reward, any race in any alliance, monkey beta pet, mudcrab and the senche mount indirectly being placed on the cash shop already.

    There's a point where one might ask themselves why they pre-ordered at all or supported the game from the start or even before then? I actually don't think there has been one item earned from supporting the game that hasn't been repurposed and solicited out. We basically beta tested this game for consoles and I don't think anyone can say this launch was in any shape or form smooth and to this day it still is not.

    If the any race in any alliance were not offered in the preorder package and made out to only be available via that route then I certainly would have waited for them to get their stuff together. That first month was a pretty bad launch and the months afterwards were not much better. Not to mention the price of the game dropped down as low as $12.

    As a company, you can only make your customers feel like fools for purchasing your service or product so many times. I know for a fact that I will never give ZOS another dime. Unfortunate for them but I think they blew that opportunity for themselves.

    Generally people pre-order a game and continue to support a game because they enjoy it or like the direction the developers are taking it. If you honestly pre-ordered or did this or that for some small boon I don't know what to tell you except that it will keep happening to you in many other games made by many other developers.
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  • Varicite
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    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    It's not hard to understand. In fact, I can point to you an entire thread of people arguing against me when I said that it would be on the Crown Store. It was an inevitability from the moment they announced B2P. Of course I recognized that, even if others apparently didn't.

    ZOS did actually say that it would not be on the Crown Store. It's quoted above a few times.

    You're saying that it was the truth less than 2 months ago when ZOS said:
    Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings.

    But now it's suddenly not. And that is somehow not a lie. Gotcha.

    You're a lawyer or politician, aren't you?

    Well technically they didn't lie. The Explorer's Pack is not in the Crown Store. The Adventurer's Pack is though. Yes it's the same thing, and ZOS was deliberately misleading, but they didn't technically lie. Why are people surprised by developers being deliberately misleading at this point? It's commonplace and nothing new. Their PR machines function in much the same way that a political campaign does(as you pointed out).

    Oh, all of that is completely understood.

    But that doesn't mean that at least one person won't hop on top of a soap box and rouse a rabble because of their terrible ethics. : )

    I get how the world works (I'm old). It doesn't make it any less disappointing, though.
  • Ysne58
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    I'll bet you can't find a statement about the any race/any alliance never being offered again, just that the explorers pack would not be offered again.

    So they can claim they didn't lie.

    Personally I think people should be allowed to play any race any alliance without having to pay extra.

    I am also offended by the misleading, sneaky behavior when they change it to adventurers pack and changed the pet. This is something they keep on doing time, after time, after time. I really, really wish they would up their integrity standards.
  • Gidorick
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    Brandalf wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    This doesn't affect anyone's game play except it opens up options to those who didn't have the ability to play any race, any alliance.

    The way I see it, if it doesn't affect me negatively, I don't care--I'll keep playing. Even if it means someone else can now be a Breton in AD when they couldn't before. WHO CARES! At least that person is happier to play the game. I'd rather have thousands of happier players than try to please a handful of upset people who feel entitled. I'm a pre-orderer and feel good that if I got a friend to join for the first time, they don't have to have the race restrictions and play the race they love in the alliance I am in!

    Too many people feel they are more deserving of things because they were here first, pre-ordered, etc etc etc. I'm happy I pre-ordand am happy I got to create all my characters (back at release) in one alliance of all different races and don't have to worry about restarting any characters. People who get this option from the crown store have to start from scratch which may be what ZOS is aiming for... get people to start new characters and play through the content again or simply make new players happier to be able to gain these options at an extra expense.

    Stop being dramatic people and play the game and let others play to enjoy it as well. It's everyone's game, not just yours.
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    I think that it's all of the incentives to support the game from early on have been repurposed. The initial crown transition/reward, any race in any alliance, monkey beta pet, mudcrab and the senche mount indirectly being placed on the cash shop already.

    There's a point where one might ask themselves why they pre-ordered at all or supported the game from the start or even before then? I actually don't think there has been one item earned from supporting the game that hasn't been repurposed and solicited out. We basically beta tested this game for consoles and I don't think anyone can say this launch was in any shape or form smooth and to this day it still is not.

    If the any race in any alliance were not offered in the preorder package and made out to only be available via that route then I certainly would have waited for them to get their stuff together. That first month was a pretty bad launch and the months afterwards were not much better. Not to mention the price of the game dropped down as low as $12.

    As a company, you can only make your customers feel like fools for purchasing your service or product so many times. I know for a fact that I will never give ZOS another dime. Unfortunate for them but I think they blew that opportunity for themselves.

    Generally people pre-order a game and continue to support a game because they enjoy it or like the direction the developers are taking it. If you honestly pre-ordered or did this or that for some small boon I don't know what to tell you except that it will keep happening to you in many other games made by many other developers.

    I think you may have hit on something here. If players felt the direction of the game was adequate and just, perhaps the upset over these little things would not be so fervent.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

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  • Iluvrien
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    There's a point where one might ask themselves why they pre-ordered at all or supported the game from the start or even before then? I actually don't think there has been one item earned from supporting the game that hasn't been repurposed and solicited out. We basically beta tested this game for consoles and I don't think anyone can say this launch was in any shape or form smooth and to this day it still is not.

    If the any race in any alliance were not offered in the preorder package and made out to only be available via that route then I certainly would have waited for them to get their stuff together. That first month was a pretty bad launch and the months afterwards were not much better. Not to mention the price of the game dropped down as low as $12.

    As a company, you can only make your customers feel like fools for purchasing your service or product so many times. I know for a fact that I will never give ZOS another dime. Unfortunate for them but I think they blew that opportunity for themselves.

    This. I was pretty excited for this game. Actually I was really excited. However even I would have been able to temper my enthusiasm to get stuck in if there hadn't been this pre-order exclusive on offer. I bought it at that time for that reason. There is definitely a case to be made for the idea that it should never have been offered in this fashion, that any-race-any-faction should have been available to everyone from the start (perhaps with an in-store upgrade like the IE), but the point is that t wasn't.

    It was touted as a pre-order exclusive. Posts have been quoted showing that it was intended to remain as such. Now it isn't. So my original reason for pre-ordering the game, struggling through the early bugs and bot issues is no longer valid. Nor is yet another one of ZOS's assertions. So why didn't I just wait a few months and have a much more polished (and enjoyable) starting experience? Because I believed ZOS. I won't be making that mistake again.
  • UrQuan
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Ashigaru wrote: »
    Keron wrote: »
    Is it or is it not available on crown store? Just yes or no, based on NA crown store offers on live.

    Its called the Adventures Pack NOT explorers pack, it has the all faction thing but i dont know if anything else was offered in the explorers pack. What does it really matter though, they have lied to us numerous times and nobody has really seemed to let it bother them or is this just a case of i am special and nobody should have what i have kind of thing?

    It has every single item that the Explorer's Pack had ("Any Race, Any Alliance", "Pact Treasure Maps", "Covenant Treasure Maps", "Dominion Treasure Maps", "Coldharbour Treasure Map") except the Vermillion Scuttler.

    Instead of the Scuttler, the "Adventurer's Pack" comes w/ a Bantam Guar pet, which is actually cooler imo, but that's completely subjective.

    Basically, they changed the 1 pet and now it's the all-new, never-before-seen Adventurer's Pack!

    It's totally different now, guys. Not the same thing at all. /endsarcasm
    Does it also have the Pledge of Mara?
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  • Isdel
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Does it also have the Pledge of Mara?

    That's Imperial Edition only.
  • Gidorick
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    Ashigaru wrote: »
    Keron wrote: »
    Is it or is it not available on crown store? Just yes or no, based on NA crown store offers on live.

    Its called the Adventures Pack NOT explorers pack, it has the all faction thing but i dont know if anything else was offered in the explorers pack. What does it really matter though, they have lied to us numerous times and nobody has really seemed to let it bother them or is this just a case of i am special and nobody should have what i have kind of thing?

    It has every single item that the Explorer's Pack had ("Any Race, Any Alliance", "Pact Treasure Maps", "Covenant Treasure Maps", "Dominion Treasure Maps", "Coldharbour Treasure Map") except the Vermillion Scuttler.

    Instead of the Scuttler, the "Adventurer's Pack" comes w/ a Bantam Guar pet, which is actually cooler imo, but that's completely subjective.

    Basically, they changed the 1 pet and now it's the all-new, never-before-seen Adventurer's Pack!

    It's totally different now, guys. Not the same thing at all. /endsarcasm
    Does it also have the Pledge of Mara?

    The Pledge of Mara was an Imperial Edition feature and yes... the Imperial Edition from the Crown Store does indeed come with the Pledge of Mara.

    But you cant buy it if you've already bought it.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

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  • UrQuan
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    Isdel wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    Does it also have the Pledge of Mara?

    That's Imperial Edition only.
    Is it? I thought that was the Explorer Pack... Ah, I can't keep track of which is in what. :|
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    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
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    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
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  • Keepercraft
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    lol, 1,500crowns
    Still waiting for Sithis.
  • bosmern_ESO
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    Almost everyone right now has the explorer pack, I don't see why it would be a problem.

    Yes it would be cool if they gave the people that bought explorers pack originally some additional stuff you get but stuff like that I don't mind.
    ~Thallen~
  • SlaaMM
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    Why not? The Explorer's Pack was the sole reason why I pre-ordered, but I'd be happy if it was available to everyone. It isn't Elder Scrolls if you aren't free to choose your allegiance independently of race.

    i agree
  • Zorvan
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    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Best $1.25 I ever spent!
    I've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.
  • LtCrunch
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    Brandalf wrote: »
    Varicite wrote: »
    sagitter wrote: »
    Explorer's pack can be bought in all e-key sites, everyone got it, so i can't understand why complaining about it.

    Because ZOS said they wouldn't. And then they did. Again.

    How is this hard to understand?

    It's common for pre-order incentives to be sold at some point, ZOS never said they would NEVER offer it through some other means in the future. They said at the time that it was the only way to play any race in any alliance and when that statement was made, it was the truth.

    How is that hard to understand?

    It's not hard to understand. In fact, I can point to you an entire thread of people arguing against me when I said that it would be on the Crown Store. It was an inevitability from the moment they announced B2P. Of course I recognized that, even if others apparently didn't.

    ZOS did actually say that it would not be on the Crown Store. It's quoted above a few times.

    You're saying that it was the truth less than 2 months ago when ZOS said:
    Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings.

    But now it's suddenly not. And that is somehow not a lie. Gotcha.

    You're a lawyer or politician, aren't you?

    Well technically they didn't lie. The Explorer's Pack is not in the Crown Store. The Adventurer's Pack is though. Yes it's the same thing, and ZOS was deliberately misleading, but they didn't technically lie. Why are people surprised by developers being deliberately misleading at this point? It's commonplace and nothing new. Their PR machines function in much the same way that a political campaign does(as you pointed out).

    Oh, all of that is completely understood.

    But that doesn't mean that at least one person won't hop on top of a soap box and rouse a rabble because of their terrible ethics. : )

    I get how the world works (I'm old). It doesn't make it any less disappointing, though.

    I actually completely agree, but like you say that's how it goes these days unfortunately.

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  • Varicite
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    But you cant buy it if you've already bought it.

    I was wondering about that.

    Wasted mine, as my fiance decided she didn't want to play anymore and we'd used both of our pairs on characters we played together.
  • MorHawk
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    Varicite wrote: »
    "Since the Explorer’s Pack was only available as a pre-order bonus and was not sold on our website, it will not be moving to the Crown Store. We’re going to remove this note from the patch notes to avoid any further misunderstandings."

    I'm not really misunderstanding anything here. It was marketed as a pre-order exclusive. We were told it would remain exclusive. It didn't.

    People seem to think that we have a problem w/ the pre-order exclusive bonus being available to other people. I don't have any issue w/ other people making whatever races they want on whatever faction they want. Should never have been gated behind an exclusive bonus in the first place, tbh.

    Just to avoid further misunderstandings, I don't have a problem w/ others having the bonus. I have a problem w/ being straight up lied to.

    +1. Glad to hear it's not just me.
    Observant wrote: »
    I can count to potato.
    another topic that cant see past its own farts.
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  • Elijah_Crow
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    So the Pre-Order only bonus is now in the Crown Store, and it was clearly stated that this "pack" which included any race/any alliance particularly would not be in it. So they changed the name and put it in.

    Potions that you buy are more powerful than crafted potions which is completely contrary to what every interview, article, video, has always said.

    I don't get why they shoot themselves in the foot straight out lying to their player base. If your going to do something, be straight about it and don't mislead the people who got you this far.

    It's called integrity and you are clearly demonstrating that it's lacking.
    Edited by Elijah_Crow on March 17, 2015 2:24AM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Come on guys, that's not a lie, just a MISTAKE (that shows that ZOS has some real issue with their internal communication), but they have no reason to*lie* about that. Stop making big "ethical issues" out of such non-significant things... please....
  • Iluvrien
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    Come on guys, that's not a lie, just a MISTAKE (that shows that ZOS has some real issue with their internal communication), but they have no reason to*lie* about that. Stop making big "ethical issues" out of such non-significant things... please....

    Yes they do have a reason. The reason is ensuring that they have a large number of confirmed pre-orders and healthy day 1 sub numbers. Both of which are of material use to the companies involved. The reason for telling us it was exclusive in the first place was money. The reason for changing that now is the same.
  • Lethal_Instinct
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    Ya'll are complaining about:

    1. Maps - these things didn't really do much except offer an occasional upgrade here and there. It was disappointing getting gear I had no use for so I felt like sometimes these maps were a great waste anyways.

    2. Any race, any alliance - Do you REALLY care enough to pay attention to what race the person next to you is playing? Is it REALLY going to bother you to know they are one of several people who got the perk and did not pre-order? Can you even tell the difference between these people just by looking at them? Probably not. Move along.

    3. Pet - Wait.. they don't get the same pet? Pre-orderers got a different pet? OMGZWIN! I GOT A UNIQUE PET THAT SHOWS I'M A PRE-ORDERER FROM THE CROWN-STORERS! Run around with your darn scuttler if you want to feel special. But wait, that's not enough for you? Maybe you should get a unique title. Yes. Run around with Hipster [Insert player name here] as your title and claim you were cool with your any race, any alliance perk before it became popular.

    I'm out.

    *drop mic*



  • Lethal_Instinct
    Lethal_Instinct
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    Oh and for the complainers about being "lied to"--you really need to get over it. They make a statement to try to appease you then realize it is not worth it to the potential player base they could earn by offering it.

    They made a smart move not listening to the whiners. They are a business and need to make money. Lose some, gain more > please the few who are making this a big deal when it's not.

    Ok, NOW I'm out.

    *gets up from floor and kicks mic away*
  • Iluvrien
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    Ya'll are complaining about:

    [Things that were mostly not what people were complaining about]

    I'm out.

    *drop mic*

    Most people seem to be complaining about ZOS being "deliberately misleading". Again.

    I can see why you would get disgruntled though. This kind of situation seems to occur quite often. You must get very bored reading about who people don't like being misled. My apologies.
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