MissBizz wrote: »

You can stay subbed to rack up crowns and then use said crowns to purchase the DLC.. so if you ever can't (or don't want to) pay a sub for a month or two.. you will still have the same game.

Secondly, staying subbed increases $$ for ZOS in the way we want it to. They are a business, and therefore their efforts will go towards what makes them the most money. Want more crown store items? Don't sub and spend every penny you can in the crown store. Want more game content? Sub.

At what point, though, are we just being foolish for investing in a product that hasn't delivered? It's not a good enough justification to say "support ZOS with a sub to create new content so you can then pay for that new content with ZOS bucks!" I've done the "pay so the game can get better and we can get awesome stuff" for the past year. Now ZOS has changed their revenue model to one that has players paying for content when it's released, which is a more traditional development model.

Why should I extend more loyalty when my past loyalty has been met with delayed releases, rewards that can be bought by those who pay (senche mount and slaughter mask), and a loyalty 100 Crown thank you for each month subscribed?

I would have been better off if I WASN'T loyal and jumped on the bandwagon TODAY (March 16th) bought five 60 day time cards and applied them all today. Those that DIDN'T support ZOS are potentially being 'rewarded' more than those that have. At what point does a reasonable person say "enough is enough"?

I haven't decided if I'm going to subscribe to ESO:TU. I don't know if the reason "to donate money to ZOS" is enough reason for me to subscribe. At SOME point ZOS needs to step up to the plate and deliver on the promise of ESO and justify our monetary support.

If not now, when?

Crown stipend.

I think you'd be surprised how many people will fork out big bucks for cosmetic items. Maple Story.

Soulshine wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

You can stay subbed to rack up crowns and then use said crowns to purchase the DLC.. so if you ever can't (or don't want to) pay a sub for a month or two.. you will still have the same game.

Secondly, staying subbed increases $$ for ZOS in the way we want it to. They are a business, and therefore their efforts will go towards what makes them the most money. Want more crown store items? Don't sub and spend every penny you can in the crown store. Want more game content? Sub.

At what point, though, are we just being foolish for investing in a product that hasn't delivered? It's not a good enough justification to say "support ZOS with a sub to create new content so you can then pay for that new content with ZOS bucks!" I've done the "pay so the game can get better and we can get awesome stuff" for the past year. Now ZOS has changed their revenue model to one that has players paying for content when it's released, which is a more traditional development model.

Why should I extend more loyalty when my past loyalty has been met with delayed releases, rewards that can be bought by those who pay (senche mount and slaughter mask), and a loyalty 100 Crown thank you for each month subscribed?

I would have been better off if I WASN'T loyal and jumped on the bandwagon TODAY (March 16th) bought five 60 day time cards and applied them all today. Those that DIDN'T support ZOS are potentially being 'rewarded' more than those that have. At what point does a reasonable person say "enough is enough"?

I haven't decided if I'm going to subscribe to ESO:TU. I don't know if the reason "to donate money to ZOS" is enough reason for me to subscribe. At SOME point ZOS needs to step up to the plate and deliver on the promise of ESO and justify our monetary support.

If not now, when?

I suspect the response to some of this would be just like the one argued endlessly in another thread by someone we both know... namely, that our sub fee "only paid for access and nothing more" so none of the above even matters. I totally disagreed with that then and still do now, but I have to say if ZoS is looking at it like that as well? then there is truly no reason whatsoever that I can see to continue subbing other than feeling "philanthropic" for lack of a better term.... I can think of other things more worthwhile for which to donate money on a monthly basis. That being said, my sub runs into May so I will likely wait until then to decide, but I kind of doubt I will.

My feelings exactly.

Arreyanne wrote: »

There was an article in one of the money magazines about ESO going B2P and all the corporate brew haha the magazine article thought was used in the decisions. They also suggested that ZOS had this transition planned most likely before the game was even released despite the company's rhetoric that the game would never be F2P, B2P.

I have been saying that for a long time as have many others here, but not necessarily for the reasons some would think. The game was planned as a multiplatform game from the beginning and the original console launch was supposed to have taken place last summer. There were many, many articles on the net between May and August of 2014 discussing what was happening with ZoS and why was the highly promoted console launch delayed. Again it came up in December as well.

Most discussed technical reasons for the delay, yet several discussed negotiations with Sony and Microsoft over the monthly console fees (I still have links to some that were not pulled down). There is no way whatsoever that they did not know this fee would be an issue from the beginning, including Microsoft supposedly wanting a percentage of the game fees if they allowed it, which I think is where this whole thing blew up in ZoS' face. Big daddy of the market, Microsoft, is so huge it will either get its way or stand in yours --- they will win. ZoS should have played it differently but they did not. The time, money, and effort it cost them is nothing compared to the price that gamble resulted on the community's support, let alone their reputation.

Soulshine wrote: »

Most discussed technical reasons for the delay, yet several discussed negotiations with Sony and Microsoft over the monthly console fees (I still have links to some that were not pulled down). There is no way whatsoever that they did not know this fee would be an issue from the beginning, including Microsoft supposedly wanting a percentage of the game fees if they allowed it, which I think is where this whole thing blew up in ZoS' face. Big daddy of the market, Microsoft, is so huge it will either get its way or stand in yours --- they will win. ZoS should have played it differently but they did not. The time, money, and effort it cost them is nothing compared to the price that gamble resulted on the community's support, let alone their reputation.

Well said.

MissBizz wrote: »

You can stay subbed to rack up crowns and then use said crowns to purchase the DLC.. so if you ever can't (or don't want to) pay a sub for a month or two.. you will still have the same game.

Secondly, staying subbed increases $$ for ZOS in the way we want it to. They are a business, and therefore their efforts will go towards what makes them the most money. Want more crown store items? Don't sub and spend every penny you can in the crown store. Want more game content? Sub.

I have wanted more game content for the last 5 months, what has that got me? Nothing other than access to the stuff already there. I had your same thought in my head a long time ago. "Subbing will help out the game I love and the added cash steam would get us more new content". Yeah, that thought is now gone. It is a strictly business/consumer thought process going forward. ZOS will provide whatever they provide and will will choose to buy or not buy it as I please. My $15/mo x 2 accounts will stay in my pocket until I see something I deem worthy of paying for.

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Scotia wrote: »

Same thought, nothing yet in crown store to buy yet....

See thats why I am scared and a "dooms day sayer"... They cant make money on this model until they make something in the store that people want to buy...

and what do people want to buy.....?

p2w items which they need to stay top tier...

I dont want to waste a heap of time on a game that just goes p2w

league of legends made the most revenue this year with 0 pay to win items.

Only 1 reason to stay subbed. If you love the game you will support the game. Nothing more to say!

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Scotia wrote: »

Same thought, nothing yet in crown store to buy yet....

See thats why I am scared and a "dooms day sayer"... They cant make money on this model until they make something in the store that people want to buy...

and what do people want to buy.....?

p2w items which they need to stay top tier...

I dont want to waste a heap of time on a game that just goes p2w

league of legends made the most revenue this year with 0 pay to win items.

LoL is like WoW, may never happen again. Sometimes companies just get it right. I'm waiting to see if Blizzard can out do their own game. Way they have canceled one game I know of in development it may not be that easy.

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Can someone convince me to stay subbed?...

Why would I do that? I don't know you enough to dislike you that much.

I'm going to stay subbed just for the fact that i want to Support ZoS if the Crown Store ever goes B2W then ill stop playing. To me its no different then if the game never went B2P. ill keep giving money if they continue to Support the game with Quality updates that I feel is worth the sub.

Gidorick wrote: »

OTHER subscription optional games offer subscribers so much more than ZOS is offering us

Hate to bring up WoW but yea, WoW is so worth $15 you don't even have to question that.

I'm sorry but the pathetic +10% xp for subbing is a complete joke. You took away mob xp and all this does is barely put it back. +15-20% would be more agreeable. And of course an option for the whiners to turn it off if they wanted to.

RealRobD wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OTHER subscription optional games offer subscribers so much more than ZOS is offering us

Hate to bring up WoW but yea, WoW is so worth $15 you don't even have to question that.

I'm sorry but the pathetic +10% xp for subbing is a complete joke. You took away mob xp and all this does is barely put it back. +15-20% would be more agreeable. And of course an option for the whiners to turn it off if they wanted to.

Millions who have unsubscribed disagree with you on WoW.



To the OP: As a few others have said if you need convincing, then sit out a few rounds. There are plenty who will be subscribing... as yet another poster pointed out, the cost is extremely inexpensive. We will get crowns, we will get DLC, we will get loyalty rewards, and we will be helping to support the game further. Also, you can pause your membership and still have access to the game if for any reason you change your mind later.

I know that they have a lot of content planned, however I think this is a smart move on ZOS part. If they went F2P instead of B2P, yeah a lot of people would be annoyed due to we saw how *** it is when Bots , spammers, and hackers are all over the game.. F2P would be their dream come true. B2P still puts up a nice barrier to keep them at bay.

You can still be supportive of ESO by purchasing crowns when new content rolls out even if you are not subscribed --- as others have said. Either way, it's your money and your decision just as I make the decision on this with my money and others do with theirs, etc..