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Subscriber vs Non-Subscriber
Rokal
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Hail and well met, all,
Just curious if anyone knows... haven't found anything via our Google Overlords... how the XP, (adventuring, crafting, etc), will be after 3/17?
One of the mentioned subscriber benefits is more xp... but is it the xp we get NOW and non-subscribers will get less than we currently get?
Or will subscribers get MORE than is currently on "live" and non-subscribers will get xp as it is now on "live?"
I'm just wondering if non-subscribers get less, will they have to do significantly more mob grinding because quest xp won't be enough to keep your adventure levels equal to the areas you're now being lead to in the quest line. If that makes sense.
And if subscribers get more, would they eventually greater out level a quest area?
Thanks.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire
Just curious if anyone knows... haven't found anything via our Google Overlords... how the XP, (adventuring, crafting, etc), will be after 3/17?
One of the mentioned subscriber benefits is more xp... but is it the xp we get NOW and non-subscribers will get less than we currently get?
Or will subscribers get MORE than is currently on "live" and non-subscribers will get xp as it is now on "live?"
I'm just wondering if non-subscribers get less, will they have to do significantly more mob grinding because quest xp won't be enough to keep your adventure levels equal to the areas you're now being lead to in the quest line. If that makes sense.
And if subscribers get more, would they eventually greater out level a quest area?
Thanks.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire
Thank you.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭According to previous statements, nothing changes - subscribers just get a 10% boost on top of the current rates. However, the rates have been nerfed in recent months and most activities in the game don't bring enough XP to gain CP at a reasonable rate, so I'll let you draw your own conclusions.0 -
Rokal✭✭Thank you both very much.
So enough bonus to give you a little OOMPH, but not so much that you'd end up grossly out leveling your subsequent quest areas.
Cool.
I appreciate both of yours' time in answering this.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb ExtraordinaireThank you.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire0 -
psufan5✭✭✭✭XP values are pretty low when not enlightened right now
10% is nothing. Give me a reason to sub please!
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....
Is it confirmed somewhere that the bonus 10% only applies to monster kills? Otherwise having to net gain 1.3 million less xp to get from VR1 to VR14 isn't a bad deal. I suppose that distinction wouldn't matter to grinders either way, though.0 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....
10 % is 10 %... Nothing to argue about here.Bjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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XP values are the same whether you're enlightened or not. The XP requirement for one CP when not enlightened is pretty steep though, at least for those of us who don't grind.XP values are pretty low when not enlightened right now 10% is nothing. Give me a reason to sub please!
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ZOS_GaryA✭✭✭✭✭Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....
"Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value."4 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.1 -
liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”2 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thank you both very much.
So enough bonus to give you a little OOMPH, but not so much that you'd end up grossly out leveling your subsequent quest areas.
Cool.
I appreciate both of yours' time in answering this.
Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire
I already grossly out level zones!What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭liquid_wolf wrote: »Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”
Yep. I have another quote for you as well:The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.0 -
ArconSeptim✭✭✭✭
Or you die before you even start selling your real estate, why die? Because you were strugling with cleaning all those trees around your house which were covering your view.Why trees? Because you can compare them with the current system, you will need years to clear those trees to get the final result, in the mean time you can die from loung disease or something so you never see the result...0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey there @Rokal,
The XP values won't be changing for folks who do not have an ESO Plus membership. The 10% bonus from ESO Plus is a bonus on top of the current XP values.
This is pretty disingenuous considering the massive nerfs to XP lately. To say that values won't be changing is not true. They have already changed and it's been a drastic change downward. The 10% bonus will likely not even get us back to pre-nerf numbers so all I have to say is this is nice bait and switch.0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭liquid_wolf wrote: »Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”
Yep. I have another quote for you as well:The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.
You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?
The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).----
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Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »liquid_wolf wrote: »Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”
Yep. I have another quote for you as well:The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.
You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?
The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).
Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.
The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.2 -
liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭...it is not a laughing matter.
You really need to leave the game, then. When it stops being enjoyable, and when it becomes so serious that you take this tone on a forum AT a Community Support/Moderator or employee of the company... Someone who just wants to help and pass on your concerns...
Yeah... you are in way too deep.
I hate to see people go, but this is a terrible experience for you, and you seem hellbent on spreading that out as far as you can.Edited by liquid_wolf on March 13, 2015 5:16PM2 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »liquid_wolf wrote: »Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”
Yep. I have another quote for you as well:The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.
You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?
The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).
Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.
The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.
It's a game, so it's still pretty funny.
And the only things that have had their XP significantly cut were grinding spots/exploits which were abused by players.----
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Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭liquid_wolf wrote: »...it is not a laughing matter.
You really need to leave the game, then. When it stops being enjoyable, and when it becomes so serious that you take this tone on a forum AT a Community Support/Moderator or employee of the company... Someone who just wants to help and pass on your concerns...
Yeah... you are in way too deep.
I hate to see people go, but this is a terrible experience for you, and you seem to be spreading that out as far as you can.
A tired response of "leave if you don't like it" as usual. Pointing out what is a critical issue does not equal hate for the game.
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Beat me to it @Gidorick , @Rokal, they could give a -10% bonus and you would still end up outleveling content.
By the time I hit the end of zone 3, I was about a zone and a half ahead...and that's before I knew what I was doing.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »liquid_wolf wrote: »Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.
“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”
Yep. I have another quote for you as well:The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.
You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?
The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).
Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.
The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.
It's a game, so it's still pretty funny.
And the only things that have had their XP significantly cut were grinding spots/exploits which were abused by players.
This is categorically incorrect. XP for Trials and Instanced 4 man Dungeons have been significantly cut back, and it has been cited for many months. ZoS has already acknowledged elsewhere that they intend to address it - that intention and the manner in which they will address remains to be proven.
EDIT:::Confirmation in ESO live today that they know that experience for trials, SO, PvP, dungeons, is a problem and they want to improve the rate of experience we are getting to better reflect our efforts.Edited by Soulshine on March 13, 2015 8:35PM1
