Subscriber vs Non-Subscriber

Rokal

Hail and well met, all,

Just curious if anyone knows... haven't found anything via our Google Overlords... how the XP, (adventuring, crafting, etc), will be after 3/17?

One of the mentioned subscriber benefits is more xp... but is it the xp we get NOW and non-subscribers will get less than we currently get?

Or will subscribers get MORE than is currently on "live" and non-subscribers will get xp as it is now on "live?"

I'm just wondering if non-subscribers get less, will they have to do significantly more mob grinding because quest xp won't be enough to keep your adventure levels equal to the areas you're now being lead to in the quest line. If that makes sense.

And if subscribers get more, would they eventually greater out level a quest area?

Thanks.

Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire

Rosveen

According to previous statements, nothing changes - subscribers just get a 10% boost on top of the current rates. However, the rates have been nerfed in recent months and most activities in the game don't bring enough XP to gain CP at a reasonable rate, so I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

ZOS_GaryA

Hey there @Rokal,

The XP values won't be changing for folks who do not have an ESO Plus membership. The 10% bonus from ESO Plus is a bonus on top of the current XP values.

Soulshine

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

Rokal

Thank you both very much.

So enough bonus to give you a little OOMPH, but not so much that you'd end up grossly out leveling your subsequent quest areas.

Cool.

I appreciate both of yours' time in answering this.

Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire

psufan5

XP values are pretty low when not enlightened right now 10% is nothing. Give me a reason to sub please!

BBSooner

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

Is it confirmed somewhere that the bonus 10% only applies to monster kills? Otherwise having to net gain 1.3 million less xp to get from VR1 to VR14 isn't a bad deal. I suppose that distinction wouldn't matter to grinders either way, though.

BlackEar

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

10 % is 10 %... Nothing to argue about here.

Soulshine

BlackEar wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

10 % is 10 %... Nothing to argue about here.

if you think that was the point, you missed it

Rosveen

psufan5 wrote: »

XP values are pretty low when not enlightened right now 10% is nothing. Give me a reason to sub please!

XP values are the same whether you're enlightened or not. The XP requirement for one CP when not enlightened is pretty steep though, at least for those of us who don't grind.

ZOS_GaryA

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

"Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value."

Soulshine

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

"Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value."

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

liquid_wolf

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Gidorick

Rokal wrote: »

Thank you both very much.

So enough bonus to give you a little OOMPH, but not so much that you'd end up grossly out leveling your subsequent quest areas.

Cool.

I appreciate both of yours' time in answering this.

Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire

I already grossly out level zones!

kongkim

Hope there will be xp boosters in the shop that can come on top of the 10%

Soulshine

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Yep. I have another quote for you as well:

The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.

ArconSeptim

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Awesome! Because 10% of 48xp is so huge.....

"Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value."

Or you die before you even start selling your real estate, why die? Because you were strugling with cleaning all those trees around your house which were covering your view.Why trees? Because you can compare them with the current system, you will need years to clear those trees to get the final result, in the mean time you can die from loung disease or something so you never see the result...

EQBallzz

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there @Rokal,

The XP values won't be changing for folks who do not have an ESO Plus membership. The 10% bonus from ESO Plus is a bonus on top of the current XP values.

This is pretty disingenuous considering the massive nerfs to XP lately. To say that values won't be changing is not true. They have already changed and it's been a drastic change downward. The 10% bonus will likely not even get us back to pre-nerf numbers so all I have to say is this is nice bait and switch.

nerevarine1138

Soulshine wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Yep. I have another quote for you as well:

The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.

You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?

The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).

Soulshine

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Yep. I have another quote for you as well:

The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.

You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?

The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).

Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.

The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.

liquid_wolf

Soulshine wrote: »

...it is not a laughing matter.

You really need to leave the game, then. When it stops being enjoyable, and when it becomes so serious that you take this tone on a forum AT a Community Support/Moderator or employee of the company... Someone who just wants to help and pass on your concerns...

Yeah... you are in way too deep.

I hate to see people go, but this is a terrible experience for you, and you seem hellbent on spreading that out as far as you can.

nerevarine1138

Soulshine wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Yep. I have another quote for you as well:

The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.

You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?

The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).

Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.

The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.

It's a game, so it's still pretty funny.

And the only things that have had their XP significantly cut were grinding spots/exploits which were abused by players.

Soulshine

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

...it is not a laughing matter.

You really need to leave the game, then. When it stops being enjoyable, and when it becomes so serious that you take this tone on a forum AT a Community Support/Moderator or employee of the company... Someone who just wants to help and pass on your concerns...

Yeah... you are in way too deep.

I hate to see people go, but this is a terrible experience for you, and you seem to be spreading that out as far as you can.

A tired response of "leave if you don't like it" as usual. Pointing out what is a critical issue does not equal hate for the game.

Merlin13KAGL

Gidorick wrote: »

Rokal wrote: »

Thank you both very much.

So enough bonus to give you a little OOMPH, but not so much that you'd end up grossly out leveling your subsequent quest areas.

Cool.

I appreciate both of yours' time in answering this.

Take care,
Rokal, NoOb Extraordinaire

I already grossly out level zones!

Beat me to it @Gidorick , @Rokal, they could give a -10% bonus and you would still end up outleveling content.

By the time I hit the end of zone 3, I was about a zone and a half ahead...and that's before I knew what I was doing.

Soulshine

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Yeah - and if Frank Underwood had to run Trials on the paulty XP you provide I think he would tell something even more profound about your base XP rate.... it would not be pretty.

“For those of us climbing to the top of the food chain, there can be no mercy. There is but one rule: hunt or be hunted.”

Yep. I have another quote for you as well:

The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.

You're bound and determined to not have a sense of humor about this, huh?

The points being made were that kill XP is just one kind of gained XP. So yes, 10% of one kill for 48XP is only 4.8. But 10% more XP for all your kills, quests, bosses, dungeons, exploration, etc. means you're leveling 10% faster (and even more than that under enlightened).

Enlightenment is for Champion Point gain only - not for XP.

The base XP rate of this game has been repeatedly cut across all manner of activities many times over; it is not a laughing matter.

It's a game, so it's still pretty funny.

And the only things that have had their XP significantly cut were grinding spots/exploits which were abused by players.

This is categorically incorrect. XP for Trials and Instanced 4 man Dungeons have been significantly cut back, and it has been cited for many months. ZoS has already acknowledged elsewhere that they intend to address it - that intention and the manner in which they will address remains to be proven.

EDIT:::Confirmation in ESO live today that they know that experience for trials, SO, PvP, dungeons, is a problem and they want to improve the rate of experience we are getting to better reflect our efforts.