We need ability cooldowns

Rylana · March 2015

There someone said it.

It actually needs to happen to save the remaining PvP playerbase.

It will feel awful, it will hurt, but jesus... the lag. The lag would be gone forever.

Hypertionb14_ESO · March 2015

in pvp at least.. it would be an improvement to have 5second recast cooldowns..

wouldnt be the crazy skill spam it is and would actually have some light and heavy attacks.... and targeted blocking them.

omg and even strategic timing of skills!

but nope....

here comes the hate...

Juraigr · March 2015

I think we should all quit that way we won't complain about the game
LOGIC

KBKB · March 2015

Nah... It would help with the lags but would require a complete overhaul of the combat system.

Soulac · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

There someone said it.

It actually needs to happen to save the remaining PvP playerbase.

It will feel awful, it will hurt, but jesus... the lag. The lag would be gone forever.

[Moderator Note: Edited spaces per our rules on Spamming]

Imdrefan · March 2015

Go Play WoW if you want cool downs.

Observant · March 2015

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

Rylana · March 2015

Observant wrote: »

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

I dont think any piece of server hardware could handle the magnitude of what ESO is trying to accomplish. It is becoming painfully clear patch after patch that the whole fundamental system is flawed fatally. With every passing update, performance suffers more.

Button mashing I suspect is the main culprit. The object is to stop button mashing leading to client/server overload.

There is a reason latency increases precipitously prior to the server itself bogging down. Data transfer on demand is at ridiculously high levels. In no other game I have ever played has there been this much on demand immediate response to completely open ended multiplicative scaling input.

The games design is the problem, I am suggesting to change the design.

CMG138 · March 2015

No. Imagine playing a game where you only have 5 skills you can use at any given time, and they all have cooldowns. I'd go back to SWTOR if I wanted cooldowns, at least I'd get a better storyline and be able to use more abilities.

KBKB · March 2015

CMG138 wrote: »

No. Imagine playing a game where you only have 5 skills you can use at any given time, and they all have cooldowns. I'd go back to SWTOR if I wanted cooldowns, at least I'd get a better storyline and be able to use more abilities.

This.

Actually I've been casually playing swtor with a friend lately nice change to have some closed world PVP with no lag.

NukeAllTheThings · March 2015

Why not just get rid of spells all together. Turn this into a bare knuckle rumble, that would eliminate lag too. We should eliminate terrain and keeps while we are at it because I am sure that would help with lag. We need a completely flat grey plane to fight on w/ black circles as objectives that we fight bare knuckle over. No spells, no deer, no guards, no torch bugs, no wolves, no hills/rocks/castles. Just wide open spaces of 30's style boxing w/ 500 people duking it out. Available next week in the cash shop for 14,000 crowns

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

in pvp at least.. it would be an improvement to have 5second recast cooldowns..

wouldnt be the crazy skill spam it is and would actually have some light and heavy attacks.... and targeted blocking them.

omg and even strategic timing of skills!

but nope....

here comes the hate...

[*img]http://zx6r.com/attachments/zx6r/24587d1388717765-so-many-holes-flameshield.jpg[/img]

You already can and should be using all of those.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

I dont think any piece of server hardware could handle the magnitude of what ESO is trying to accomplish. It is becoming painfully clear patch after patch that the whole fundamental system is flawed fatally. With every passing update, performance suffers more.

Button mashing I suspect is the main culprit. The object is to stop button mashing leading to client/server overload.

There is a reason latency increases precipitously prior to the server itself bogging down. Data transfer on demand is at ridiculously high levels. In no other game I have ever played has there been this much on demand immediate response to completely open ended multiplicative scaling input.

The games design is the problem, I am suggesting to change the design.

So, why were games such as Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, and heck even Aion, able to handle much higher playercounts without becoming almost completely unresponsive serverside over the past 15 years then in your opinion?

It's been done before successfully. It can be done again. So I agree, #StopTheLagNotTheSkills. If you're having framerate issues, that's your PC, not server latency. And yes, with a good enough system, you can keep good framerates even in the biggest brawls in keep sieges in Cyrodiil. Source: My own rig.

Sphinx2318 · March 2015

i can tell you right now, you will lose MORE of the player base over cool downs than from the lag. period.

the best thing we can do is to be patient, @ZOS_BrianWheeler and crew are of course working on the lag issues which they naturally must by now KNOW about. not asking you to have faith....but i am asking you to try and be patient.

that said, im as mad as anyone else about the terri-lag issues in the campaigns (which has now spread outside Thornblade to other camps).

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2015

ummm.....

Dreyloch · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

There someone said it.

It actually needs to happen to save the remaining PvP playerbase.

It will feel awful, it will hurt, but jesus... the lag. The lag would be gone forever.

Ok, I'll go with this if they put in auto attack and make haste a viable thing, so I don't have to get carpal in my fingers from clicking incessantly to light and heavy attack.

Minack · March 2015

KBKB wrote: »

CMG138 wrote: »

No. Imagine playing a game where you only have 5 skills you can use at any given time, and they all have cooldowns. I'd go back to SWTOR if I wanted cooldowns, at least I'd get a better storyline and be able to use more abilities.

This.

Actually I've been casually playing swtor with a friend lately nice change to have some closed world PVP with no lag.

Voidstar still lags with only 16 people. The Makeb 4v4 (LOL!) still lags.

KBKB · March 2015

Minack wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

CMG138 wrote: »

No. Imagine playing a game where you only have 5 skills you can use at any given time, and they all have cooldowns. I'd go back to SWTOR if I wanted cooldowns, at least I'd get a better storyline and be able to use more abilities.

This.

Actually I've been casually playing swtor with a friend lately nice change to have some closed world PVP with no lag.

Voidstar still lags with only 16 people. The Makeb 4v4 (LOL!) still lags.

I can't recall Voidstar lagging, but yes you are right Makeb 4v4 is horrible.

Atreyu · March 2015

why put cooldowns? People would actually need to light attack even more and EVEN heavy attack (WOAH mindblown)

manage resource more carefully (with cooldowns skill's cost should be higher)

Use Block when it is really needed to block since with cooldowns skills would be limited

Be actually careful that you land your skills, r it would be wasted

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Rylana · March 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

I dont think any piece of server hardware could handle the magnitude of what ESO is trying to accomplish. It is becoming painfully clear patch after patch that the whole fundamental system is flawed fatally. With every passing update, performance suffers more.

Button mashing I suspect is the main culprit. The object is to stop button mashing leading to client/server overload.

There is a reason latency increases precipitously prior to the server itself bogging down. Data transfer on demand is at ridiculously high levels. In no other game I have ever played has there been this much on demand immediate response to completely open ended multiplicative scaling input.

The games design is the problem, I am suggesting to change the design.

So, why were games such as Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, and heck even Aion, able to handle much higher playercounts without becoming almost completely unresponsive serverside over the past 15 years then in your opinion?

It's been done before successfully. It can be done again. So I agree, #StopTheLagNotTheSkills. If you're having framerate issues, that's your PC, not server latency. And yes, with a good enough system, you can keep good framerates even in the biggest brawls in keep sieges in Cyrodiil. Source: My own rig.

Because all of this is caused by server side performance degradation and not our machines. Even super rigs experience the slowdowns. In some cases they CAUSE IT for others because their throughput is higher.

Zhoyzu · March 2015

Observant wrote: »

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

sums this thread up. time to move to another.

Rune_Relic · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

There someone said it.

It actually needs to happen to save the remaining PvP playerbase.

It will feel awful, it will hurt, but jesus... the lag. The lag would be gone forever.

I think I have a fix.

At the moment everyones skill gets stuck in a queue somewhere until it does its thing.
The problem is the more people around in combat the bigger and bigger this queue will get.

So......

Have a size limited queue for every player.
Any incoming beyond the queue size gets dropped
The person whose skill got dropped gets their magicka/stamina refunded (except AoE).

Now instead of waiting for all these skills to fire off in sequence or kill the server when overloaded.
The skill will fire immediately...and you will either hit or be instantly refunded.
The overload queue is eliminated.
Server performance can be throttle by the size of the queue.
If you were dropped - you got the stamina/magicka refunded to try again.
If you hit - working as expected.
Either way no more skill lag.
..and NO COOLDOWNS

bosmern_ESO · March 2015

Cool downs + 5 abilities does not work.

Gooey · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2015

Just play a sorc. We already have cooldowns on our abilities.

The only ability in the game that punishes you for spamming it. Imagine if flappy wings, impulse, blazing shield, or sap essence, cost 50% more if cast within 4 seconds...

Xsorus · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just play a sorc. We already have cooldowns on our abilities.

The only ability in the game that punishes you for spamming it. Imagine if flappy wings, impulse, blazing shield, or sap essence, cost 50% more if cast within 4 seconds...

None of those abilities let you shoot across the map and escape fights with ease.

tplink3r1 · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just play a sorc. We already have cooldowns on our abilities.

The only ability in the game that punishes you for spamming it. Imagine if flappy wings, impulse, blazing shield, or sap essence, cost 50% more if cast within 4 seconds...

Thats a fake cooldown for casuals! People who want real cooldowns should play templar.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154551/templars-focused-charge-still-has-global-cool-down

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Don't change things because their server or game engine can't handle it.
Fix what's broken instead of breaking what's working.

#StopTheLagNotTheSkills

I dont think any piece of server hardware could handle the magnitude of what ESO is trying to accomplish. It is becoming painfully clear patch after patch that the whole fundamental system is flawed fatally. With every passing update, performance suffers more.

Button mashing I suspect is the main culprit. The object is to stop button mashing leading to client/server overload.

There is a reason latency increases precipitously prior to the server itself bogging down. Data transfer on demand is at ridiculously high levels. In no other game I have ever played has there been this much on demand immediate response to completely open ended multiplicative scaling input.

The games design is the problem, I am suggesting to change the design.

So, why were games such as Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, and heck even Aion, able to handle much higher playercounts without becoming almost completely unresponsive serverside over the past 15 years then in your opinion?

It's been done before successfully. It can be done again. So I agree, #StopTheLagNotTheSkills. If you're having framerate issues, that's your PC, not server latency. And yes, with a good enough system, you can keep good framerates even in the biggest brawls in keep sieges in Cyrodiil. Source: My own rig.

Because all of this is caused by server side performance degradation and not our machines. Even super rigs experience the slowdowns. In some cases they CAUSE IT for others because their throughput is higher.

Yes, I know. My point was regarding server tech

. The listed games had the same design without problems. So why do you feel ESO cannot "due to its design" exactly, was my question.

Yusuf · March 2015

Put on heavy armor, slot dragonblood and NOTHING else, never die in a small battle. Some builds' regen could take care of the damage taken even

Deverger · March 2015

Cooldowns are not the devil, if used properly they could easily fix multiple balance issues as well as make abilities more attractive for all builds by reducing their resource cost significantly in exchange for a short (<5s) cooldown. also only certain problematic abilities would be given cooldowns

Skafsgaard · March 2015

If the torchbug hotfix hasnt fixed the lag, I think we're out of options and would have to consider this 'deal with the devil' that is CDs in ES game. (btw, i know how they work, cos I used to use toppling charge prior 1.6).