The title states everything!
You should just roll everything back so everyone is back on 70 CP and disable enlightenment until it's fixed!
@ZOS_GinaBruno
onlinegamer1 wrote: »A year from now, someone will buy ESO, install it, roll a level 1 character, get it to 50, and have 0 CP and go PvP against someone with 1000 CP.
Either the CP system has to be balanced for this scenario, or it has to be removed from the game. Worrying about an imbalance is utterly pointless, there will BE imbalance naturally as new players join the game.
Stop punishing players for playing . I could less if anyone got more then me . If they put in the time and are stronger for it , good for them . There's always gonna be a gap . That's mmos . There's already a 70 pt for new players vs vr14 . Just the way it goes .
strongoakb14a_ESO wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »A year from now, someone will buy ESO, install it, roll a level 1 character, get it to 50, and have 0 CP and go PvP against someone with 1000 CP.
Either the CP system has to be balanced for this scenario, or it has to be removed from the game. Worrying about an imbalance is utterly pointless, there will BE imbalance naturally as new players join the game.
*biting my lip here* but ill just say anyone joining a year old game expecting to level and compete with those playing for a year is either drunk, high or mentally unstable.
mhmfrogub17_ESO wrote: »Easiest thing the do is the ban anyone that used the bug for a minimum of 30 days.
What bug? The one people are crying about that there is no evidence ever actually existed?
Don't comment on things you know nothing about!
The bug did exist I have no idea if it's been fixed now, as of the 08/02/2015 late night hotfix enlightenment only last for 1 CP which is what I've personally experienced, beforehand I personally had enlightenment for 6 CP and I'm telling you, that I know players that had it for 24hrs (confirmed by them)
Go and do you trolling elsewhere!
Oh you know a guy huh? lol
You're not allowed to use "lol" on threads!
No constructive criticism from you I see, just another forum troll!
Can't respond to such a convincing argument. "I know a guy" .... damn, that's hard factual evidence!
Again forum rules you're not allowed to name people! Not my rules but the rules of the forum.
I'm telling you that I had enlightenment for 6 CP straight! And I got enlightenment more than a lot of players I was grinding with. Some players got it more than me, and as I said 1 or 2 had it for 24hrs.
How can I provide evidence I don't have access to?
But as I clearly state some of the players I was grinding with have confirmed they now have a CP rank of 150.
Mine is 96!
If you would like a screenshot of mine I'd gladly provide.
Going forward we need to ask ZOS to find a resolution to this problem, if it did truly exist? And as I state I gained E for 6CP straight, so nothing would surprise me!
As some people including myself suggested raise everyone to 100CP, and the people who have over this, nerf them to 100CP.
Methuselah wrote: »mhmfrogub17_ESO wrote: »Easiest thing the do is the ban anyone that used the bug for a minimum of 30 days.
What bug? The one people are crying about that there is no evidence ever actually existed?
Don't comment on things you know nothing about!
The bug did exist I have no idea if it's been fixed now, as of the 08/02/2015 late night hotfix enlightenment only last for 1 CP which is what I've personally experienced, beforehand I personally had enlightenment for 6 CP and I'm telling you, that I know players that had it for 24hrs (confirmed by them)
Go and do you trolling elsewhere!
Oh you know a guy huh? lol
You're not allowed to use "lol" on threads!
No constructive criticism from you I see, just another forum troll!
Can't respond to such a convincing argument. "I know a guy" .... damn, that's hard factual evidence!
Again forum rules you're not allowed to name people! Not my rules but the rules of the forum.
I'm telling you that I had enlightenment for 6 CP straight! And I got enlightenment more than a lot of players I was grinding with. Some players got it more than me, and as I said 1 or 2 had it for 24hrs.
How can I provide evidence I don't have access to?
But as I clearly state some of the players I was grinding with have confirmed they now have a CP rank of 150.
Mine is 96!
If you would like a screenshot of mine I'd gladly provide.
Going forward we need to ask ZOS to find a resolution to this problem, if it did truly exist? And as I state I gained E for 6CP straight, so nothing would surprise me!
As some people including myself suggested raise everyone to 100CP, and the people who have over this, nerf them to 100CP.
Had Enlight for 4 cp's on day 2, 1 Enlight cp on day 3 and 1 Enlight cp on monday morning before maint. the rest i grinded and finished some areas ive been putting off. 106 cp. And you want to roll me back 6 CP?
strongoakb14a_ESO wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »A year from now, someone will buy ESO, install it, roll a level 1 character, get it to 50, and have 0 CP and go PvP against someone with 1000 CP.
Either the CP system has to be balanced for this scenario, or it has to be removed from the game. Worrying about an imbalance is utterly pointless, there will BE imbalance naturally as new players join the game.
*biting my lip here* but ill just say anyone joining a year old game expecting to level and compete with those playing for a year is either drunk, high or mentally unstable.
Methuselah wrote: »mhmfrogub17_ESO wrote: »Easiest thing the do is the ban anyone that used the bug for a minimum of 30 days.
What bug? The one people are crying about that there is no evidence ever actually existed?
Don't comment on things you know nothing about!
The bug did exist I have no idea if it's been fixed now, as of the 08/02/2015 late night hotfix enlightenment only last for 1 CP which is what I've personally experienced, beforehand I personally had enlightenment for 6 CP and I'm telling you, that I know players that had it for 24hrs (confirmed by them)
Go and do you trolling elsewhere!
Oh you know a guy huh? lol
You're not allowed to use "lol" on threads!
No constructive criticism from you I see, just another forum troll!
Can't respond to such a convincing argument. "I know a guy" .... damn, that's hard factual evidence!
Again forum rules you're not allowed to name people! Not my rules but the rules of the forum.
I'm telling you that I had enlightenment for 6 CP straight! And I got enlightenment more than a lot of players I was grinding with. Some players got it more than me, and as I said 1 or 2 had it for 24hrs.
How can I provide evidence I don't have access to?
But as I clearly state some of the players I was grinding with have confirmed they now have a CP rank of 150.
Mine is 96!
If you would like a screenshot of mine I'd gladly provide.
Going forward we need to ask ZOS to find a resolution to this problem, if it did truly exist? And as I state I gained E for 6CP straight, so nothing would surprise me!
As some people including myself suggested raise everyone to 100CP, and the people who have over this, nerf them to 100CP.
Had Enlight for 4 cp's on day 2, 1 Enlight cp on day 3 and 1 Enlight cp on monday morning before maint. the rest i grinded and finished some areas ive been putting off. 106 cp. And you want to roll me back 6 CP?
Instead of jumping the gun why not put constructive input into the discussion.
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »It's been hell just grinding my way to 80 CP... I swear if I get rolled back because of a bunch of whiners I'm going to go apes--t.
So we should leave those with hundreds of CP free to roam around in PvP against those that have 80ish?
Yes. Not that gigantic an advantage anyway, mathematically. And as far as the number of people who might have been able to do it, it's probably under a hundredth of a percent of the total playerbase anyway. Ideal? Nope. But rolling back everyone would be many orders of magnitude worse.
Not that much of an advantage in PvP? Clearly you haven't looked at all the numbers and the passives. Let me introduce you to Cyro one day...
edit: By the way, for the uninitiated, there is a leaderboard in PvP that gives legendary item rewards and there's a "race" for Emperor (in theory) so a small percentage of people having an unfair advantage is a big deal.
He's spent plenty of time in Cyrodiil . Look at the numbers and how diminishing returns hit in the champion system quickly and @Attorneyatlawl is completely one hundred percent spot on.
Nope.
Actually, yes.
Given that most builds will reach what they need to have in effectiveness pretty quickly since a lot of bonuses aren't applicable to more than one or two build niches each (I don't need to do 10% more damage with my destruction staff heavy attacks if I'm a stamina 2h user for example) and the chart above.... I rest my case.
Nope
Your insightful rebuttal has won me over. I clearly was wrong.
Your case: A player with hundreds of CP (up to 500 potentially) doesn't have a significant advantage over someone with approx 80 in Cyrodiil right now.
Mine: Nope
It really doesn't require more than that.
Actually, I stated my point which is more along the lines that someone with 500 cp won't be that far behind, proportional to the effort put in to earn, a player with 2000 cp. Please don't put words in others' mouths... .
Actually you said, directly, in reply to my question asking whether it was ok to let people with hundreds of CPs roam around in PvP RIGHT NOW against those with approx 80 that, yes, it was ok and wasn't that big a deal.
There was no mention of months down the track, proportional effort or anything of the sort. 500v2000? Are you talking months in the future? That wasn't anything I mentioned but OK. That's more of a semi-viable point but wasn't the one you made. The claim you made was just wrong. So... Nope.
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
The title states everything!
What's the official word on this from ZOS?
The people with 250+ CP's are going to be far OP'd compared to everyone else!
You should just roll everything back so everyone is back on 70 CP and disable enlightenment until it's fixed!
It's going to get out of hand!
@ZOS_GinaBruno
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
This will be true no matter what kind of advancement system you will incorporate. Be it level cap increase, new raids (item progression), champion points, love potions or whatever.onlinegamer1 wrote: »A year from now, someone will buy ESO, install it, roll a level 1 character, get it to 50, and have 0 CP and go PvP against someone with 1000 CP.
Either the CP system has to be balanced for this scenario, or it has to be removed from the game. Worrying about an imbalance is utterly pointless, there will BE imbalance naturally as new players join the game.
Someone who played a year longer is always going to be progressed further. Stop taking up that argument, it proves nothing except the thoughtlessness of the poster.
If you criticise the champion point system, then criticise that the advancement is too steep in the beginning (lets say up to 1080 points, the moment you could have all passives), meaning that the benefits are actually to large per individual CP. The logarithmic progression (commonly known as "diminishing returns") is to drawn out with the way the passives are structured.
Change the passives to come in effect at 10/20/40/75 points and make the 75-pointer always something not combat related but convenience related. that would flatten out the progression curve and make it much easier for newcomers to become competitive.
All playstyles were covered, and you were never forced to play 24/7 just to keep up with the other guy. You didn't feel like a loser, if you one day went to RP in a tavern or something (and ended up with less CP than others as a result).
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
This^ keep bonuses didnt effect E at all.
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
This^ keep bonuses didnt effect E at all.
Well this is where ZOS need to speak up so everyone doesn't assume!
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
Here we go again! If it was confirmed by ZOS then it was an issue!
Shadesofkin wrote: »I can't help but feel that the same types of people who want rollbacks are just like the people who think it's ok to tell kids to be sure "not to score too much" in a sport.
CP not working properly is ZOS's problem and rollbacks aren't the solution, they need to address how CP is earned and what they intended with Enlightenment Vs. what actually happened. Enlightenment needs to either be chucked out the window completely and the CP cost lowered or it needs to be on a visible timer on the UI so that everyone knows when it is supposed to be available and how much it is worth (though those of us who use the forums know, 1 cp per day).
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
Here we go again! If it was confirmed by ZOS then it was an issue!
It never was confirmed by ZOS. Unless someone can link where it supposedly was confirmed, because I sure can't find it in the Dev tracker. Pretty sure this is just another rumour, just like the 250+ CP is a rumour. Knowing the only reason to possibly grind that much would be to show off, it would have been posted somewhere if it was the case.
The unlimited E bug has been confirmed by ZOS, it's the reason they removed Cyrodill buffs. From what I could read in other posts, it involved capturing keeps in Cyro or what ever.
So it's pretty much likely that people with that bug went to the catacombs with unlimited E and grinded their *** to more than 200CP.
Pretty sure the keep bonus was removed because of a glitch that allowed you to essentially dupe gold. Never heard of anything affecting E and can't really see how the keep bonuses could do that as they only increase XP, gold and AP gain by a % which might be problematic on it's own but doesn't affect enlightment.
Here we go again! If it was confirmed by ZOS then it was an issue!
It never was confirmed by ZOS. Unless someone can link where it supposedly was confirmed, because I sure can't find it in the Dev tracker. Pretty sure this is just another rumour, just like the 250+ CP is a rumour. Knowing the only reason to possibly grind that much would be to show off, it would have been posted somewhere if it was the case.
Methuselah wrote: »mhmfrogub17_ESO wrote: »Easiest thing the do is the ban anyone that used the bug for a minimum of 30 days.
What bug? The one people are crying about that there is no evidence ever actually existed?
Don't comment on things you know nothing about!
The bug did exist I have no idea if it's been fixed now, as of the 08/02/2015 late night hotfix enlightenment only last for 1 CP which is what I've personally experienced, beforehand I personally had enlightenment for 6 CP and I'm telling you, that I know players that had it for 24hrs (confirmed by them)
Go and do you trolling elsewhere!
Oh you know a guy huh? lol
You're not allowed to use "lol" on threads!
No constructive criticism from you I see, just another forum troll!
Can't respond to such a convincing argument. "I know a guy" .... damn, that's hard factual evidence!
Again forum rules you're not allowed to name people! Not my rules but the rules of the forum.
I'm telling you that I had enlightenment for 6 CP straight! And I got enlightenment more than a lot of players I was grinding with. Some players got it more than me, and as I said 1 or 2 had it for 24hrs.
How can I provide evidence I don't have access to?
But as I clearly state some of the players I was grinding with have confirmed they now have a CP rank of 150.
Mine is 96!
If you would like a screenshot of mine I'd gladly provide.
Going forward we need to ask ZOS to find a resolution to this problem, if it did truly exist? And as I state I gained E for 6CP straight, so nothing would surprise me!
As some people including myself suggested raise everyone to 100CP, and the people who have over this, nerf them to 100CP.
Had Enlight for 4 cp's on day 2, 1 Enlight cp on day 3 and 1 Enlight cp on monday morning before maint. the rest i grinded and finished some areas ive been putting off. 106 cp. And you want to roll me back 6 CP? Fack off.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »All playstyles were covered, and you were never forced to play 24/7 just to keep up with the other guy. You didn't feel like a loser, if you one day went to RP in a tavern or something (and ended up with less CP than others as a result).
The fix isn't to force everyone to go do X activity to grind out their "daily champion points limit". The solution is to raise other ways of gaining XP to better parity so that it is viable to do what you want such as PVP, trials, dragonstar arena, etc. and still gain solid xp towards your champion levels.