@ZOS Please STOP listening to players TOO MUCH

Seraphyel · March 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Dear Zos,

First of all, i want to thank you for giving us a game to play for years. Thank you so much that you made it a very awesome game, and you are trying all your best to make it even better. My support is on you and to this game that i have played since its launch, i proudly say, I LOVE THIS GAME!

Are you even serious?

* B2P within the first year due to poor player and critical reception (no, not because of the console version)

* Very awesome game with the worst UI and some of the most ancient gameplay mechanics in the business

* Trying all your best to make it even better when in fact everything gets worse with every update because they're all deployed without Q&A

Yeah, you got some valid points there, don't you?

If Zenimax would listen to the playerbase, they wouldn't have created the mess called ESO 1.0 (VR leveling) and at least not the CS or other things in 1.6. But they didn't listen.

Way are you even here...

Cause I like playing ESO (1-50) but want it to get better. With all of that sugarcoating ESO will never get better.

Kragorn · March 2015

Xelphos wrote: »

The main problem I see here is that most of the complainers are PvPer, and they are way more vocal than the PvEers.

This!

Eric made it clear in the 'Live' that only PVP 'balance' matters and he's prepared to sacrifice the PVE side in order to try to achieve it: he barely mentioned PVE while using PVP all the time to justify the Negate and other nerfs.

PVP is a minority interest I have no doubt, given the relatively small numbers actually engaged in Cyrodiil at any point in time compared to the numbers if the rest of Tamriel, it's aggravating the PVE game is being seriously damaged by changes due to PVP QQ.

WhiskyBob · March 2015

ZOS does not listen to their playerbase so I don't understand the topic here. They ignored every voice that said:

- We don't want B2P
- We tested CP on PTS and found it broken unfit for going live.
- 100 crowns/month is an insult
- UI needs fixing
- Many many many many unresolved bugs since launch
- Cyrodill needs fixing in tons of ways
- Crown store should never have P2W items like XP boost potions
- And many others.

Instead they focus on issues like:
- Putting a netch on their heads
- Roleplay events
- Fan Art
- Deltia
- Nerfing XP grind

You know who listens to their community? CCP (EvE Online), they have even built a monument dedicated to their players outside their HQ and what they have got in return? Steady, dedicated and mature, playerbase for over 11 years.

TagaParti · March 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Dear Zos,

First of all, i want to thank you for giving us a game to play for years. Thank you so much that you made it a very awesome game, and you are trying all your best to make it even better. My support is on you and to this game that i have played since its launch, i proudly say, I LOVE THIS GAME!

Are you even serious?

* B2P within the first year due to poor player and critical reception (no, not because of the console version)

* Very awesome game with the worst UI and some of the most ancient gameplay mechanics in the business

* Trying all your best to make it even better when in fact everything gets worse with every update because they're all deployed without Q&A

Yeah, you got some valid points there, don't you?

If Zenimax would listen to the playerbase, they wouldn't have created the mess called ESO 1.0 (VR leveling) and at least not the CS or other things in 1.6. But they didn't listen.

clearly you arent on the same plate with us.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Kragorn · March 2015

WhiskyBob wrote: »

ZOS does not listen to their playerbase so I don't understand the topic here. They ignored every voice that said:

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You know who listens to their community? CCP (EvE Online), they have even built a monument dedicated to their players outside their HQ and what they have got in return? Steady, dedicated and mature, playerbase for over 11 years.

Just because they don't do what YOU want doesn't mean what you claim it means.

Also, comparing a run-of-the-mill theme-park MMO (ESO) to the largest sandbox in the world is kind of .. pointless, isn't it?

CCP have NOTHING to do as far as what their players ask for, CCP are entirely hands-off. Yes, EVE has a hugely loyal and enthusiastic community, and probably have a great relationship with CCP (that can't be said for ESO/ZOS) but please, don't use CCP as a way of pointing out ZOS' short-comings, as you see them.

WhiskyBob · March 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

ZOS does not listen to their playerbase so I don't understand the topic here. They ignored every voice that said:

<snip|>

You know who listens to their community? CCP (EvE Online), they have even built a monument dedicated to their players outside their HQ and what they have got in return? Steady, dedicated and mature, playerbase for over 11 years.

Just because they don't do what YOU want doesn't mean what you claim it means.

Also, comparing a run-of-the-mill theme-park MMO (ESO) to the largest sandbox in the world is kind of .. pointless, isn't it?

CCP have NOTHING to do as far as what their players ask for, CCP are entirely hands-off. Yes, EVE has a hugely loyal and enthusiastic community, and probably have a great relationship with CCP (that can't be said for ESO/ZOS) but please, don't use CCP as a way of pointing out ZOS' short-comings, as you see them.

So far the concerend voices were usually right. Especially when it comes to broken CP system or PVP. And it's not my "wants" i just read the forum and see what people report. I don't pvp at all so it doesnt concern me.

And I am not comparing games (eve vs eso) but company attitude.

Flynch · March 2015

ZOS either listens to none, or listens to all. Those are their options. What they do with those options is out of the players' hands anyway.

ShadowHvo · March 2015

WhiskyBob wrote: »

ZOS does not listen to their playerbase so I don't understand the topic here. They ignored every voice that said:

- We don't want B2P
- We tested CP on PTS and found it broken unfit for going live.
- 100 crowns/month is an insult
- UI needs fixing
- Many many many many unresolved bugs since launch
- Cyrodill needs fixing in tons of ways
- Crown store should never have P2W items like XP boost potions
- And many others.

Instead they focus on issues like:
- Putting a netch on their heads
- Roleplay events
- Fan Art
- Deltia
- Nerfing XP grind

You know who listens to their community? CCP (EvE Online), they have even built a monument dedicated to their players outside their HQ and what they have got in return? Steady, dedicated and mature, playerbase for over 11 years.

I don't think you realise how subjective your entire post is. Lots of people wanted B2P from the begining, lots of us are fine with 100 crowns pr month, we got our loyality awards, and we got all of the sub time to play the game in. We're not entitled to a single dim. The 100 crowns is in fact very generous of them.

UI needs fixing? You do realise that A LOT who actually spends their time playing the game instead of visiting these forums LOVE the minimalistic UI which ESO has? We can look at the beautiful scenery and at our enemies, plan out a position and strike with effencity without having thirteen numbers appearing constantly on the screen. In fact, I personally adore it for what it is, a very immersive experience in comparison to the cluttered standard WOWesque MMO UI where you're more busy looking at your numbers than the actual fight.

Sure, you're not the only one who doesn't like those things, but at the very same time there is a *** of others who loves them and likes them. If you have a problem with the UI, download or make your own addon, simple fix. B2P is super great as it brings many new and old players to the game. Plus ESOs B2P model is the best one out there I know of. SW:TOR did a *** job by preventing free-players access to nothing but the quests and storylines. THEY CAN'T EVEN USE SOME OF THE CHAT FUNCTIONS!

ESO is a great game, and ever evolving. It has its flaws like all other games, but those will get fixed in time. (Besides Shadow Cloak and its morphs of course)

Also.. I marked something in your text with big fat letters and an underscore. I don't think you even realise the sheer size of the roleplaying community on both megaservers (Espeically NA which is insanely giant). Roleplayers are the core players who will stay because they can make their own fun in the world they roleplay in. Unlike the PvP'ers and PvE'ers who goes to the forums and whines because of the lack of content they find interest in, evne though they themselves mostly just rush through it all due to the players constant need for a race to endgame. The only exception here is really PvP'ers, they have not had a single new content appearing for them ever since the launch. We even have a whole 4 more PvE zones announced, and only 1 PvP (Imperial City).

If you don't enjoy the game then leave. Don't waste your time in a game you don't enjoy and hold no faith in. Zenimax has shown they listen A LOT of times. Frankly they're much more active with the community than any other MMO out there I've played. That includes WoW, DCUO, SWTOR, COH/COV and Wildstar.

Seraphyel · March 2015

ShadowHvo wrote: »

UI needs fixing? You do realise that A LOT who actually spends their time playing the game instead of visiting these forums LOVE the minimalistic UI which ESO has? We can look at the beautiful scenery and at our enemies, plan out a position and strike with effencity without having thirteen numbers appearing constantly on the screen. In fact, I personally adore it for what it is, a very immersive experience in comparison to the cluttered standard WOWesque MMO UI where you're more busy looking at your numbers than the actual fight.

Sure, you're not the only one who doesn't like those things, but at the very same time there is a *** of others who loves them and likes them. If you have a problem with the UI, download or make your own addon, simple fix. B2P is super great as it brings many new and old players to the game. Plus ESOs B2P model is the best one out there I know of. SW:TOR did a *** job by preventing free-players access to nothing but the quests and storylines. THEY CAN'T EVEN USE SOME OF THE CHAT FUNCTIONS!

ESO is a great game, and ever evolving. It has its flaws like all other games, but those will get fixed in time. (Besides Shadow Cloak and its morphs of course)

Also.. I marked something in your text with big fat letters and an underscore. I don't think you even realise the sheer size of the roleplaying community on both megaservers (Espeically NA which is insanely giant). Roleplayers are the core players who will stay because they can make their own fun in the world they roleplay in. Unlike the PvP'ers and PvE'ers who goes to the forums and whines because of the lack of content they find interest in, evne though they themselves mostly just rush through it all due to the players constant need for a race to endgame. The only exception here is really PvP'ers, they have not had a single new content appearing for them ever since the launch. We even have a whole 4 more PvE zones announced, and only 1 PvP (Imperial City).

If you don't enjoy the game then leave. Don't waste your time in a game you don't enjoy and hold no faith in. Zenimax has shown they listen A LOT of times. Frankly they're much more active with the community than any other MMO out there I've played. That includes WoW, DCUO, SWTOR, COH/COV and Wildstar.

It doesn't matter if some love the UI, it's a fact that ESOs UI is horrible. I am fine with those guys saying they want to enjoy the scenery, but not giving us options is just lame. Turn it off if you don't like it, that's it.

But the current UI is an utter mess and awful. You don't even see debuffs or buffs, you don't even see all possible stats in your character window, you don't see the Justice interface, you don't see nothing. There is absolutely no room for discussion about the UI. It MUST BE improved.

GW2 B2P model > ESO B2P model - you know why? GW2 delivers content for free and has no optional sub.

ESOs flaws will get fixed in time? Seriously? They couldn't fix most of them within 11 months, when do you think will they finally fix them? "In time"?

Roleplayers aren't the core players. If they would be the core players, why did Zenimax nearly nothing to cater to their loyal roleplayers?

Those 5 zones were announced 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 months ago. Did we see ANYTHING out of those zones except scenery? No. Yeah, they announced them and didn't deliver anything.

Sotha_Sil · March 2015

@TagaParti you say ZOS is listening too much -and that some people are taking advantage of it- and write a whole novel about it without giving any examples. Could you enlighten us with facts ?

JD2013 · March 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

UI needs fixing? You do realise that A LOT who actually spends their time playing the game instead of visiting these forums LOVE the minimalistic UI which ESO has? We can look at the beautiful scenery and at our enemies, plan out a position and strike with effencity without having thirteen numbers appearing constantly on the screen. In fact, I personally adore it for what it is, a very immersive experience in comparison to the cluttered standard WOWesque MMO UI where you're more busy looking at your numbers than the actual fight.

Sure, you're not the only one who doesn't like those things, but at the very same time there is a *** of others who loves them and likes them. If you have a problem with the UI, download or make your own addon, simple fix. B2P is super great as it brings many new and old players to the game. Plus ESOs B2P model is the best one out there I know of. SW:TOR did a *** job by preventing free-players access to nothing but the quests and storylines. THEY CAN'T EVEN USE SOME OF THE CHAT FUNCTIONS!

ESO is a great game, and ever evolving. It has its flaws like all other games, but those will get fixed in time. (Besides Shadow Cloak and its morphs of course)

Also.. I marked something in your text with big fat letters and an underscore. I don't think you even realise the sheer size of the roleplaying community on both megaservers (Espeically NA which is insanely giant). Roleplayers are the core players who will stay because they can make their own fun in the world they roleplay in. Unlike the PvP'ers and PvE'ers who goes to the forums and whines because of the lack of content they find interest in, evne though they themselves mostly just rush through it all due to the players constant need for a race to endgame. The only exception here is really PvP'ers, they have not had a single new content appearing for them ever since the launch. We even have a whole 4 more PvE zones announced, and only 1 PvP (Imperial City).

If you don't enjoy the game then leave. Don't waste your time in a game you don't enjoy and hold no faith in. Zenimax has shown they listen A LOT of times. Frankly they're much more active with the community than any other MMO out there I've played. That includes WoW, DCUO, SWTOR, COH/COV and Wildstar.

It doesn't matter if some love the UI, it's a fact that ESOs UI is horrible. I am fine with those guys saying they want to enjoy the scenery, but not giving us options is just lame. Turn it off if you don't like it, that's it.

But the current UI is an utter mess and awful. You don't even see debuffs or buffs, you don't even see all possible stats in your character window, you don't see the Justice interface, you don't see nothing. There is absolutely no room for discussion about the UI. It MUST BE improved.

GW2 B2P model > ESO B2P model - you know why? GW2 delivers content for free and has no optional sub.

ESOs flaws will get fixed in time? Seriously? They couldn't fix most of them within 11 months, when do you think will they finally fix them? "In time"?

Roleplayers aren't the core players. If they would be the core players, why did Zenimax nearly nothing to cater to their loyal roleplayers?

Those 5 zones were announced 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 months ago. Did we see ANYTHING out of those zones except scenery? No. Yeah, they announced them and didn't deliver anything.

It seems to me that a lot of people want every MMO to be the same. Like GW2? Then go and play that if you hate this game so much, and from your ascerbic post you clearly do.

I like ESO. I like its minimalist approach to the UI. I like the quests. I don't have endless amounts of time to play, so I log on and play as and when I can. I also don't have endless amounts of time to worry about a game and shout around everywhere about how much I hate a game.

Am I completely satisfied with the game? No. Absolutely not. As an ES title this could be so much more. Much larger delves and ruins. More spells and abilities. A much wider range of random events apart from the Dark Anchors. Lag being addressed openly. New content coming at a better pace.

But at the end of the day this is just a game for me. I have other things keeping me busy outside of my hobby. And I'm also willing to bet that all the devs and people at Zenimax have things outside of their jobs. There's only so many hours in a day that they can work.

Imagine if you will, standing in a room and being shouted at by hundreds of people all at once. Continuously. Over and over. I'm willing to bet that's how it feels working for zenimax. So many people on here shouting to have their say.

Of course, open discussion is the way to fix things. The only way. Constructive feedback over raging is the only way to go. But if a game makes you so angry, why do you play?

Ffastyl · March 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

But the current UI is an utter mess and awful. You don't even see debuffs or buffs, you don't even see all possible stats in your character window, you don't see the Justice interface, you don't see nothing.

Buffs and debuffs are shown on the character/monster models with distinct visual effects. Some effects, such as armor reduction, are shown via graphical effects on the health bar. You can check someone's de/buffs by taking a moment to observe him/her/it.

Some even believe the UI is cluttered as is and others believe it not cluttered enough. Various settings and add-ons have addressed concerns for both parties.

seaef · March 2015

KBKB wrote: »

Going to be really interesting to see how long it lasts on console if they even get a fraction of the lag we are getting in Cyrodiil.

Good thing Cyrodil is only one small part of this game then.

Since I don't PvP, that area can basically drop off the face of Tamriel for all I care.

utbackpacker911b14_ESO · March 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

Dear Zos,

First of all, i want to thank you for giving us a game to play for years. Thank you so much that you made it a very awesome game, and you are trying all your best to make it even better. My support is on you and to this game that i have played since its launch, i proudly say, I LOVE THIS GAME!

For someone like me who love this game, i would do what i could do to help this game from any harmful thing, which these days, i refer to "Players who want changes for themselves". For almost a year now, the game has been very awesome at serving its main purpose, to entertain. And it keeps on getting better because of the efforts of ZOS. Everything about the game have been properly thought of, we can see that every aspect was studied very much. Of course there will be bugs along the way, there will always be a balancing issues, but ZOS you are the best people who know it and can solve it, we are players only, and take note that players tend to think of any advantages in any game for themselves.

At first, listening to players is very good. But as time went on, players saw this oppurtunity to gain advantage over other players who arent very vocal or arent visiting the forum at all. They made use of complain threads, they are in groups, or even a guild wanting to change something in the game for their very own agenda. And it seems that ZOS is listening too much. Anything "too much" is very harmful. Please be informed ZOS, these people who are very active in this forum dont even make a good percentage of your total players in game. Most of them dont have time to visit this forum, because there are just too much fun to have playing the game.

I paid for this game, i play it a lot, and i want this game to run by noone but ZOS. I dont want to play other players' game. Actually it is not just me, more players are like me, but thyre not here in forum, maybe a few of them. ZOS please stop listening too much, it is destroying the game. You cant satisfy all these players. If you try to satisfy group A, group B will complain. If you try to change a bit for group B, group A complains. How about group C, D, and many more? It is a never-ending process to try. Let them just play your game, you have a brilliant group of people that have made this game awesome, and it will continue to get better. Just dont listen too much to outside noise.

This forum has turned into a PVP, dont be blinded by what appears to be a majority of players, theres no such thing as majority in this forum as your total players werent here. Most players here just complain, in their quest to change the game in their way, you cant silence them, but put up your shield and stand up, dont give up. You know better than any player, you are a company! Now if you listened to them, please listen to me too, and start to stop listening too much.

Thank you, and keep up the good work.
It was always a job well done from you guys!

Well,said! I shadow your thoughts 100%.

The problems with forums is that it attracts the negative people.Most people that are happy don't have a need to even browse the forums so you get a whole bunch of negative garbage that normally only pertains to a small percentage of the population.And the problem I see with this is folks that are looking into the game log onto the forums and see all the nerds raging about silliness.

Kragorn · March 2015

GrimGryphon wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Going to be really interesting to see how long it lasts on console if they even get a fraction of the lag we are getting in Cyrodiil.

Good thing Cyrodil is only one small part of this game then.

Since I don't PvP, that area can basically drop off the face of Tamriel for all I care.

Unfortunately the damage to the PVE game that is caused by PVP is already likely to be fatal, though the death will be slow and painful.

technohic · March 2015

GrimGryphon wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Going to be really interesting to see how long it lasts on console if they even get a fraction of the lag we are getting in Cyrodiil.

Good thing Cyrodil is only one small part of this game then.

Since I don't PvP, that area can basically drop off the face of Tamriel for all I care.

Man you guys are bitter. Someday you may get as you wish and it will impact your favorite part of the game in ways you never could imagine.

mhmfrogub17_ESO · March 2015

No matter what a gaming company does they will always have customers that either like or dislike something. When a company stops listening to their customers they start to fail.

Look at it like this, if 80% likes a certain thing, 15% hate it, and 5% just doesn't care one way of the other, you basically have an 85% vs 15% split when it comes to revenue since the 5% doesn't care. So what will companies normally do...they normally would rather make $85 per $100 then $15 per $100.

Psychobunni · March 2015

Xelphos wrote: »

The main problem I see here is that most of the complainers are PvPer, and they are way more vocal than the PvEers.

I think Zenimax needs to start separating PvP and PvE, Guild Wars did this. In Guild Wars if there was a skill that was balanced in PvE but unbalanced in PvP, they wouldn't just nerf it because it was unbalanced in PvP, they would make a PvP version of that skill. So when you logged into PvP that skill would covert to it's PvP version until you went back to PvE.

More this, less the other mess. I don't PVP, but have been consistently pissed off and let down over the last year because of changes to my toon(s) that literally have NOTHING to do with the game I play. Not to mention to play with my guildmates I'm pigeonholed into one faction because of the pvp story...so by round 3, I'm feeling like this is the most boring game ever and want to kill the whole faction myself.

Players have been asking for separation of the two for months and months....and yet here we(pve players) are getting nerfed to Oblivion. Contrary to OP post, in this case ZOS really needs to listen.

seaef · March 2015

technohic wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Going to be really interesting to see how long it lasts on console if they even get a fraction of the lag we are getting in Cyrodiil.

Good thing Cyrodil is only one small part of this game then.

Since I don't PvP, that area can basically drop off the face of Tamriel for all I care.

Man you guys are bitter. Someday you may get as you wish and it will impact your favorite part of the game in ways you never could imagine.

Not bitter. I just don't care at all about PvP. It's as simple as that.

mhmfrogub17_ESO · March 2015

The main problem with PvP is that it isn't balanced, if it were there would be more diversity in classes in the PvP area, as it stands now most people in the PvP area are DKs.

Psychobunni · March 2015

GrimGryphon wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Going to be really interesting to see how long it lasts on console if they even get a fraction of the lag we are getting in Cyrodiil.

Good thing Cyrodil is only one small part of this game then.

Since I don't PvP, that area can basically drop off the face of Tamriel for all I care.

LOL, my husband gets stuck hearing "I wish CRY-odiil would just burn and they would all quit" once a week too

LIQUID741 · March 2015

ZOS needs to listen to the player base when it comes to the LFG tool...its a joke.

ShadowHvo · March 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

It doesn't matter if some love the UI, it's a fact that ESOs UI is horrible. I am fine with those guys saying they want to enjoy the scenery, but not giving us options is just lame. Turn it off if you don't like it, that's it.

But the current UI is an utter mess and awful. You don't even see debuffs or buffs, you don't even see all possible stats in your character window, you don't see the Justice interface, you don't see nothing. There is absolutely no room for discussion about the UI. It MUST BE improved.

GW2 B2P model > ESO B2P model - you know why? GW2 delivers content for free and has no optional sub.

ESOs flaws will get fixed in time? Seriously? They couldn't fix most of them within 11 months, when do you think will they finally fix them? "In time"?

Roleplayers aren't the core players. If they would be the core players, why did Zenimax nearly nothing to cater to their loyal roleplayers?

Those 5 zones were announced 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 months ago. Did we see ANYTHING out of those zones except scenery? No. Yeah, they announced them and didn't deliver anything.

"It's a fact that ESO's UI is horrible." Seriously? are you going to be -that- ignorant? Just because you yourself desire a cluttered screen filled to the brink with numbers, minimaps and countdown timers for each buff does not equal a horrible UI. Download a addon which takes 2 minutes to download and then keep it at that, how hard can it be?

As for the debuffs and buffs, you actually do. There are either visual ques on screen (Which is why ESO is so much more fun, you're looking at the actual combat instead of a bunch of cooldown timers and a bunch of numbers. Ohshoot, you're looking at the bloody game!) or markers in your character sheet which showcases your buffs as well as their duration. You don't need more to play the game effectively, saying otherwise is just sheer ignorance. Because you need training wheels does not mean that the rest of us do. If you need training wheels? Go buy them on the sideline, you don't get them with the bike. Luckily for you however, such training wheels are completely free in the form of addons. You don't even have to spend a dim.

But you know what about GW2? It saw almost no content for 2 years. ESO delivered lots in only a half. Sure yes, ESO has flaws, so do every game in the entire history of MMOs. But they have fixed MANY bugs over the time since launch, especially many of the gamebreaking ones. Denying that is sheer ignorance, and quite arrogance too.

As for Roleplayers not being core players. I'll ask you to take a look at a game like LOTRO or DCUO, because I can tell you that you'll find the majority of them being roleplayers. Roleplayers can also do PvE and PvP to their hearts content, but by heart they are roleplayers, and enjoy roleplaying in the games universe. Said people don't go to the forums and shout for ability nerfs, or shout for new content every seventh week. No, these people are the ones who're in the game, enjoying it and getting the full immersive experience of acting out their characters daily lives in the wonderful world of Tamriel.

When you PvE'ers and PvP'ers decide to quit, we're the ones who're carrying the standard to the finishline. Because not only do we enjoy our time, and the time our characters has. But we also enjoy the game for what it is, instead of spending the majority of our time whining on the forums.

Zenimax is doing much for the roleplaying community, they announce almost every event which is easy accessible on the RP forums. They are great, and have a giant array of emotes for us to use. The only thing we need then is the world and our characters, the latter of which we players design ourselves. Oh and the world? Yeah, there is lots of those to choose from.

Shlankwald · March 2015

They really don't listen to their playerbase in a lot of situations.

People said buff sorcs so they nerfed them.
People complained about the new armors and they say nothing about it.
I see people saying they don't give enough attention to PvP and other people complaining they balance things too much for the sake of PvP.

You can't please everyone, I think they do more ignoring than listening half the time, but with everyone tugging the game in different directions, I can hardly blame them.

The only choices that have outraged me is when they straight up asked a guild in a meeting what they wanted then did the total opposite of that, and when they went through with the armor changes despite the many complaints from players.

Costismaros · March 2015

Xelphos wrote: »

The main problem I see here is that most of the complainers are PvPer, and they are way more vocal than the PvEers.

I think Zenimax needs to start separating PvP and PvE, Guild Wars did this. In Guild Wars if there was a skill that was balanced in PvE but unbalanced in PvP, they wouldn't just nerf it because it was unbalanced in PvP, they would make a PvP version of that skill. So when you logged into PvP that skill would covert to it's PvP version until you went back to PvE.

Plz. Stop thinking. We dont want a GW2, we need ESO.
GW is a fail game with zero content. Played for 14 months and im not going back.

Costismaros · March 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

Dear Zos,

First of all, i want to thank you for giving us a game to play for years. Thank you so much that you made it a very awesome game, and you are trying all your best to make it even better. My support is on you and to this game that i have played since its launch, i proudly say, I LOVE THIS GAME!

For someone like me who love this game, i would do what i could do to help this game from any harmful thing, which these days, i refer to "Players who want changes for themselves". For almost a year now, the game has been very awesome at serving its main purpose, to entertain. And it keeps on getting better because of the efforts of ZOS. Everything about the game have been properly thought of, we can see that every aspect was studied very much. Of course there will be bugs along the way, there will always be a balancing issues, but ZOS you are the best people who know it and can solve it, we are players only, and take note that players tend to think of any advantages in any game for themselves.

At first, listening to players is very good. But as time went on, players saw this oppurtunity to gain advantage over other players who arent very vocal or arent visiting the forum at all. They made use of complain threads, they are in groups, or even a guild wanting to change something in the game for their very own agenda. And it seems that ZOS is listening too much. Anything "too much" is very harmful. Please be informed ZOS, these people who are very active in this forum dont even make a good percentage of your total players in game. Most of them dont have time to visit this forum, because there are just too much fun to have playing the game.

I paid for this game, i play it a lot, and i want this game to run by noone but ZOS. I dont want to play other players' game. Actually it is not just me, more players are like me, but thyre not here in forum, maybe a few of them. ZOS please stop listening too much, it is destroying the game. You cant satisfy all these players. If you try to satisfy group A, group B will complain. If you try to change a bit for group B, group A complains. How about group C, D, and many more? It is a never-ending process to try. Let them just play your game, you have a brilliant group of people that have made this game awesome, and it will continue to get better. Just dont listen too much to outside noise.

This forum has turned into a PVP, dont be blinded by what appears to be a majority of players, theres no such thing as majority in this forum as your total players werent here. You know better than any player, you are a company! Now if you listened to them, please listen to me too, and start to stop listening too much.

Thank you, and keep up the good work.
It was always a job well done from you guys!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Totaly aggree with TagaPart

P.S. Even on this topic, players keap asking changes from ZOS. This is so WTF.

Elminster · March 2015

listen, imo ZO are just suits w/o a clue how to make a game fun, i think they lost their way a long time ago, just trying to save whatever is left but ended up creating a much bigger mess....

ThisOnePosts · March 2015

MMO PVPers are always crying. Imagine if half of these people played FPS games competitively? They'd throw their computers out the window. MMO PVP is cute and all, but it's hardly based on skill since it's rarely ever an even playing field. If you want real competition in gaming that's based on skill, play some of the top FPS games.

If you want to just have some fun in a casual environment, then sure MMO PVP is okay. However, stop crying about everything. I PVP and PVE in MMOs... I too always see PVPers crying on forums across many different MMOs. It's a pattern........... and hence why I won't call myself a PVPer even though I enjoy it just as much as PVE, because I don't want to be associated by name with such whiney people.

As far as ZOS listening, what they should NOT do is listen to a handful of guild leaders or players. What they SHOULD do, is incorporate some sort of in-game poll system where it pops up before loading when there is something important OR create an in-game Feedback system that can't be missed (I'm sure there are plenty of people running around who just don't want to type /feedback ---- sad yes, but still.. maybe they just feel their opinions will go unheard so promoting it more would be better).

ZOS_UlyssesW · March 2015

Hello folks.
We've removed several comments from this thread that were violating our Code of Conduct or otherwise were not in line with our Community Vision. We ask that everyone stay on topic, and refrain from personal attacks and baiting. We value and appreciate your continued feedback, but we do ask that it stays constructive. Thank you for your understanding.

Armitas · March 2015

They should listen to everyone, but they should use their own expertise and discretion on how to respond to that information.