Audigy wrote: »

I don't care much about the pace, just that actually playing the game should be rewarding and not repeatedly grinding the same dungeon or world boss.

Right now playing the game doesn't reward us at all, if we fish its a waste, if we gain achievements its a waste, if we quest its a waste while those that grind the same mob all day gain huge boni and amounts of gold. I made an achievement yesterday and it was only a new line in my journal, no reward however. Besides dye´s we have nothing to gain from playing and adventuring, which is sad.

Simply put, this.
I think I got my main to v10 after 2-3 months, then I jumped into Cyrodiil until v12 was released, and grinded in craglorn, same for when v14 was released, my second character I got to v14 in a month, I PvP'd in Cyrodiil until v1. (Was Emperor, so XP gain was ridiculous.) Then I grinded for 7 days straight in the Dwemer ruin Rkundz.

Grinding is the faster possible method of XP, and they keep smashing it. The only reason people are grinding is because, as you said @Audigy the rest of the game rewards everything with nothing. Dungeons? Barely any XP, Achievements? Barely any XP. Etc. Etc. Etc.

For my first play through I'll take my time enjoying all the discovery and stories and stuff, then on alts I'll power level and just get things done efficiently.

roechacca wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I don't care much about the pace, just that actually playing the game should be rewarding and not repeatedly grinding the same dungeon or world boss.

Right now playing the game doesn't reward us at all, if we fish its a waste, if we gain achievements its a waste, if we quest its a waste while those that grind the same mob all day gain huge boni and amounts of gold. I made an achievement yesterday and it was only a new line in my journal, no reward however. Besides dye´s we have nothing to gain from playing and adventuring, which is sad.

I understand that frustration

ESO is a great game and if I had more time I would love to put it into it, but for me a lot what we do in regards of playing isn't rewarded that well.

Progressing in the story could slowly unlock motifs that don't drop, gaining achievements could grant new crafting patterns, unlock new char enhancements like scars, tattoos or hair colors etc.

Personally and I might be alone there, playing an MMO isn't about gaining huge powers, instead its some type of unlocking new things while playing. The game we don't speak of has a huge item grind for just running the same dungeon several times, ESO now has the grind of "xp spots" and those who play the story get nada. It feels wrong, but this might only be me I don't know.

The first MMOs I played had hardly the features games have today, but they often felt like a good investment as you saw so many things. Todays MMOs are mostly focused on a simple grind mechanism, either a dungeon or a crowded mob area and hey I don't mind to kill 50 wolfs for a new piece of armor, but it shouldn't be all that I do to advance.

Still I want to point out, I have tons of fun in ESO - but I see flaws that could be fixed so easily and I wish the Devs would explain why they don't see them or what their intention is with the current "reward" system.

Panda244 wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I don't care much about the pace, just that actually playing the game should be rewarding and not repeatedly grinding the same dungeon or world boss.

Right now playing the game doesn't reward us at all, if we fish its a waste, if we gain achievements its a waste, if we quest its a waste while those that grind the same mob all day gain huge boni and amounts of gold. I made an achievement yesterday and it was only a new line in my journal, no reward however. Besides dye´s we have nothing to gain from playing and adventuring, which is sad.

Simply put, this.
I think I got my main to v10 after 2-3 months, then I jumped into Cyrodiil until v12 was released, and grinded in craglorn, same for when v14 was released, my second character I got to v14 in a month, I PvP'd in Cyrodiil until v1. (Was Emperor, so XP gain was ridiculous.) Then I grinded for 7 days straight in the Dwemer ruin Rkundz.

Grinding is the faster possible method of XP, and they keep smashing it. The only reason people are grinding is because, as you said @Audigy the rest of the game rewards everything with nothing. Dungeons? Barely any XP, Achievements? Barely any XP. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Indeed!

The game has so many cool features, but they are all forgotten somehow. But this isn't only an issue at ESO, but many MMOs. They focus on the easy access content, that can be repeated many times while forgetting everything else. MMOs are not just about grinding a dungeon or mob group to advance, they have a story, RP elements and so much more and this potential is wasted by so many if not all current MMOs.

I love leveling my chars up and I am still not done and I am happy like a kitten for every new thing I discover So many achievements were done, yet nothing came as a reward. Achievements are so interesting in todays MMOs, but from my point of view they are not used to their full potential as a alternative progression like now with the CS, where achievements play no role at all.

i just dont understand why people dont like the system just because they cant be at the end of it. we dont actaully need ANY mor cp then 100, all content is playable.... you dont need 3600 cp its turnes the whole game soloable... just take the little bost and stop complaining the end isnt in sight.

I actually don't care about progression. I care about gameplay.