Thanks to this stupid system I am now forever on 0 gold.....

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2015

ginoboehm wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Deactivate it in setting it seems it does work for healing too. Beside of that in 10min you will see 5000posts with :then don't heal anyone in a town. I had the same problem (well I paid the gold) because after I died and respawned at a shrine my heals I did before I die went off

Actually for the hell of it I just tested this yesterday when a friend on my team had forgotten he had a huge bounty and came back to town. He was getting his teeth knocked out by a pair of guards, and I felt he needed the help so I gave him a little breath of life. I had a gut feeling this would give me a problem with the law (and it did). I will note that I have the setting not to accidentally kill people in my gameplay options. So yes you can rack up a bounty healing fugitives, regardless of what your settings are. Be careful out there healers.

P.S.: Luckily it was the end of my gaming session and I knew where the thieves guild safe house was. I managed to charge my way there and dive to safety without a problem. It helps to be prepared.

Roechacca · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Might want to feedback that in game as well.

To be perfectly honest I haven't done so because a lot of feedback was given on this on PTS, and I haven't yet had it cause a problem for me personally. I just recognize that it is a problem, it is going to give some people bounties through no fault of their own, and it does make "just don't heal in towns" a really stupid thing to say.

The Devs ignored it in PTS and I said there'd be complaints on live . I even heard person say just don't do quests in town . That's not game breaking at all ....

Zershar_Vemod · March 2015

Good thing you can get at least 10k gold/day via fencing.

ginoboehm · March 2015

TehMagnus wrote: »

I got 300k bounty before figuring out it was prolly the stupidest mistake I ever did. I now have 0 gold on me & gotta wait 22 days for the bounty to disapear and I only blame one person: myself.

There is also one person to blame for what happen to you, and he'll be looking right back at you when you look into a mirror.

if that was your stupidest mistake you ever did your life must be boring as hell.
i got a bounty because i was resurected at a wayshrine and my heals went off i tried to trigger before i died but hey people who want a opt out are all stupid ....

Dreamo84 · March 2015

Crime doesn't pay.

ThisOnePosts · March 2015

It's times like these when I really miss that "LOL" button.

TehMagnus · March 2015

ginoboehm wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

I got 300k bounty before figuring out it was prolly the stupidest mistake I ever did. I now have 0 gold on me & gotta wait 22 days for the bounty to disapear and I only blame one person: myself.

There is also one person to blame for what happen to you, and he'll be looking right back at you when you look into a mirror.

if that was your stupidest mistake you ever did your life must be boring as hell.
i got a bounty because i was resurected at a wayshrine and my heals went off i tried to trigger before i died but hey people who want a opt out are all stupid ....

Once again, if you didn't push the opt out button in the user interface you can only blame yourself. As for my life being boring I dno 't see the relation, it can also mean I usually don't make idiotic mistakes :-)

Tavore1138 · March 2015

While it is a bug and I sympathise with those getting caught by it.... at the same time a bug that stops people spamming healing springs all over every damn town is one we might want to keep.

Messy1 · March 2015

If you heal someone being a criminal you are in fact an accomplice so just use common sense. Even if you "accidentally" heal someone killing people it shouldn't set you back that much gold, but if it does then it is a bug and needs to be addressed.

ItsMeToo · March 2015

Just use pots to heal, while you're in town.

Sacadon · March 2015

So I get that you dug yourself a hole rather quickly before you realized, but it's distorted to say you can't play now. Just play with the bounty till it wears off. I've been playing just fine with 30K+ bounty.

Xelphos · March 2015

27k? Thats pocket change compared to my bounty.... 1 million.

Roechacca · March 2015

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Crime doesn't pay.

It does in this game

http://youtu.be/wFU6JiE7Okk

fougerec99b16_ESO · March 2015

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

would probably help if the toggle that prevents you from accidentally killing an NPC also informed players that it does not prevent you from healing other players and if they are flagged as "outlaws" that you will be also .

The part where it states "NPCs" would indicate that the toggle has no effect on other player characters to me.

DanielMaxwell · March 2015

fougerec99b16_ESO wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

would probably help if the toggle that prevents you from accidentally killing an NPC also informed players that it does not prevent you from healing other players and if they are flagged as "outlaws" that you will be also .

The part where it states "NPCs" would indicate that the toggle has no effect on other player characters to me.

true but not everyone will make that connection so having the description give more info about what it does and does not do would be helpful.

There would still be players who will toggle off attacking NPCs and still not comprehend that if they heal a "flagged" player they will be "flagged" also .

newtinmpls · March 2015

I must be missing something. Why would someone "need" to AoE heal in a public area? If its part of a dungeon or quest, then is the person not in a limited environment (building, specified area)?

Never mind the whole guard thing, I find the public heals and whatever thing it is that makes your hands glow and you run fast with "light trails" to be hugely annoying because the visual-heavy effects screw up my computer's processing time. With so many people having lag issues, I originally thought that people would knock it off out of courtesy.

Well now they have another reason.

egosumacunnus · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Good, idiots that spam heals at the bank huddle need to die. If you want attention try your mummy or daddy.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2015

That sucks. I'm currently wasting gold trying to figure out builds.

Gidorick · March 2015

I think the mechanic makes sense. It prevents people from supporting mass murderers without having any type of penalty.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2015

What people basically are saying is they like spamming heals in town to lag everyone out and make themselves look cool. Now they cant do that anymore.

BigM · March 2015

Yeah I hate people that go around healing everyone. Wish they would put something in game where we are allowed to kill those people with out any action taken on us from guards. I would look at it not as a crime but duty to your town!

GreySix · March 2015

Seravi wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

This^^

Don't cast spells or heal in town. They were banning folks before the update over spell spamming in towns so I would imagine this is part of a larger plan to make sure that stops.

Yeah, I called it "hot-dogging" like NFL players like to do after scoring. IMO, it was stupid and distracting to see players hot-dogging all over town.

Funny to see that it can be punished now.

UrQuan · March 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I must be missing something. Why would someone "need" to AoE heal in a public area? If its part of a dungeon or quest, then is the person not in a limited environment (building, specified area)?

Yes, you are missing something. Something that I already brought up in this very thread:

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Every one of the quests I was talking about in that post involves combat in an area where other players could be involved in justice system activities, and could be fighting guards or civillian NPCs. Not everyone has a good self-heal that will only target yourself. For a lot of builds your only (or most effective) options for healing are heals that auto-target, or are AoEs.

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I must be missing something. Why would someone "need" to AoE heal in a public area? If its part of a dungeon or quest, then is the person not in a limited environment (building, specified area)?

Yes, you are missing something. Something that I already brought up in this very thread:

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Every one of the quests I was talking about in that post involves combat in an area where other players could be involved in justice system activities, and could be fighting guards or civillian NPCs. Not everyone has a good self-heal that will only target yourself. For a lot of builds your only (or most effective) options for healing are heals that auto-target, or are AoEs.

I actually can't think of many (if any) quests that have you fighting enemies in towns which are not running a separate instance (or that just have you go in to a house for it). And we weren't seeing people spamming their healing spells in town before this because of altruism.

Digiman · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Really? That is pretty harsh. I think the bounty decreases over time though.

As for abilities best tip is TO NEVER USE THEM IN TOWN EVER!

Common sense really.

starkerealm · March 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I actually can't think of many (if any) quests that have you fighting enemies in towns which are not running a separate instance (or that just have you go in to a house for it). And we weren't seeing people spamming their healing spells in town before this because of altruism.

Werewolf in Daggerfall. Bloodthorne Cultist in Daggerfall. Finding Werewolves in Aldcroft (with bonus points that they may mixed in around killable civilians), villain's right hand man/disposable mook in Evermore. Zombie in Riften... and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's a ton more I'm not thinking of.

Oh, bonus points in that the Werewolf in Daggerfall will be right after you start the game as a new player. Since a lot of players seem to miss the quest pointing to Stros M'kai.

radiostar · March 2015

At least Justice pvp hasn't hit yet.

Revenant_Spartan · March 2015

Problem is quite simple - if you disable it (even only for AOE) criminals will get their buddies to spam aoe heals. Might not be the most effective but the system will be abused.

For me it wouldn't work any other way than from what we have now. It might not be perfect but it's better than the alternative.

GreySix · March 2015

radiostar wrote: »

At least Justice pvp hasn't hit yet.

Hope it does soon.

That's the one time I'd dive face-first into PvP, so I could ruthlessly hunt down and terminate criminal scum.

starkerealm · March 2015

Revenant_Spartan wrote: »

Problem is quite simple - if you disable it (even only for AOE) criminals will get their buddies to spam aoe heals. Might not be the most effective but the system will be abused.

For me it wouldn't work any other way than from what we have now. It might not be perfect but it's better than the alternative.

Well, the system now offers trolls a hilarious new tool to mess with players. Most in town quest combat happens in back alleys and away from NPC guards. By necessity, really. So, now, all you need to do is rack up a huge bounty, go into stealth, and hide close to one of those spawn points, and wait for a player to "accidentally" pick up a bounty for healing you...