Thanks to this stupid system I am now forever on 0 gold.....

glitchmaster999 · March 2015

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

ginoboehm · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Deactivate it in setting it seems it does work for healing too. Beside of that in 10min you will see 5000posts with :then don't heal anyone in a town. I had the same problem (well I paid the gold) because after I died and respawned at a shrine my heals I did before I die went off

Wildfires · March 2015

Goodbye enjoy the next game.

Govalon · March 2015

Woah. That is some serious bad luck right there. You won't be forever in debt though. The bounty will get lower when time passes and you are not doing anything illegal. It works even if you are logged out. I had something like 3k bounty when I logged off last night and it was all gone in the morning.

kongkim · March 2015

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

glitchmaster999 · March 2015

Govalon wrote: »

Woah. That is some serious bad luck right there. You won't be forever in debt though. The bounty will get lower when time passes and you are not doing anything illegal. It works even if you are logged out. I had something like 3k bounty when I logged off last night and it was all gone in the morning.

If it goes down with time that is awesome, thank you for that. Still stupid system, worst part was I died while in a load screen to a tavern so there was nothing I could do.

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

Well I just logged on to test this system and used my refreshing path to run around not knowing that random people could walk over it and screw over your day. Didn't even know about the heal system.

ginoboehm wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Deactivate it in setting it seems it does work for healing too. Beside of that in 10min you will see 5000posts with :then don't heal anyone in a town. I had the same problem (well I paid the gold) because after I died and respawned at a shrine my heals I did before I die went off

I have it disabled and it still went off.

Also I can't use a shop to sell anything, my armor is all broken and I can't repair, im actually stuck, who the hell designed that?

bellanca6561n · March 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

Our word for the day is......Empathy!

Empathy is the capacity to understand what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, ie, the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes.

Thanks for playing

eliisra · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Well I just logged on to test this system and used my refreshing path to run around not knowing that random people could walk over it and screw over your day. Didn't even know about the heal system.

Good to know, I often use Refreshing Path on my NB's in cities to move around a bit faster

Had no clue a skill could trigger a massive bounty, because a criminal stepped in it. My understanding was that disabling NPC attack would prevent this, 100% stupid proof. But If you got a bounty anyway, than something is wrong, sounds like a bug.

Guess I have to switch to Rapid Manoeuvre.

Seravi · March 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

This^^

Don't cast spells or heal in town. They were banning folks before the update over spell spamming in towns so I would imagine this is part of a larger plan to make sure that stops.

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

bellanca6561n wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

Our word for the day is......Empathy!

Empathy is the capacity to understand what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, ie, the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes.

Thanks for playing

Empathy is about understanding the other person's situation. Doesn't mean that you have to think their situation is indicative of the norm or requires changes in the system.

The OP has learned a valuable lesson about not spamming abilities in town. And this system works exactly as intended.

TehMagnus · March 2015

I got 300k bounty before figuring out it was prolly the stupidest mistake I ever did. I now have 0 gold on me & gotta wait 22 days for the bounty to disapear and I only blame one person: myself.

There is also one person to blame for what happen to you, and he'll be looking right back at you when you look into a mirror.

Mathius_Mordred · March 2015

Can someone please clarify what is going on here, and is it not affected by setting the Prevent Innocents in gameplay settings?

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Can someone please clarify what is going on here, and is it not affected by setting the Prevent Innocents in gameplay settings?

The OP is randomly spamming a healing spell in cities, and criminals are walking across it. He is then flagged for helping the criminal.

Edit: Based on a later post in the thread, it sounds like the damage aspect of this ability is probably hitting a guard as well. In general, the lesson here is to not spam abilities in town.

Rosveen · March 2015

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Can someone please clarify what is going on here, and is it not affected by setting the Prevent Innocents in gameplay settings?

It is affected. What's going on is that the OP logged in, didn't enable innocent protection and started testing his skills in town.

It's unfortunate and there should be a pop-up upon logging in for the first time about disabling the system, but if it stops a few people from casting AoEs all over the place in the future, then I love it.

Elloa · March 2015

It's really important to leave the criminal alone, and not help them! Unless you want to be a criminal of course!

This is totally Lore friendly and anti-exploit.

daemonios · March 2015

Seravi wrote: »

Don't cast spells or heal in town.

But... how will I build up Ultimate??

/sarcasm

Mathius_Mordred · March 2015

So does this mean that even with innocents protected, if you heal a person with a bounty then you yourself gain a bounty?

Roechacca · March 2015

Way to hold to that hippocratic oath Doc . You may not have money but Ya got street cred .

Sinbaar · March 2015

Don't heal in towns. Don't spam aoe in towns. Simple as that. If you do, log off, or go elsweyr (...hahaxD) where no guards are arround. Thats it

tplink3r1 · March 2015

Thats what you get for being a criminal.

Islyn · March 2015

OP is so full of LOL :-D

Darlgon · March 2015

As a wise Bosmer once told me: "Did you buy your invisibility potions from a Bandarri?"

Or, as another one told me: "You are just not very good at this, are you?"

I now leave almost all my gold in the bank when I go on a crime spree. After all, how is a simple guard supposed to tell what gold is stolen and which was given by the Skald King for saving his life.

Artemiisia · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

So apparently there is a system where if you heal someone who then goes around murdering everyone with a heal dot ticking then you rock up 27k bounty and if you die to a guard they will take your 17k gold and then leave you with 10k gold. That is stupid and I want my money back..... any system that an accident can leave you on 0 gold until you earn another 10k is utterly bull. So much for trying out the new system time to give it a break for another month -.-

Simple: STOP HEALING PEOPLE, in cities......

DanielMaxwell · March 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Love the new system. How hard can it be not to heal or attack others in town.

Our word for the day is......Empathy!

Empathy is the capacity to understand what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, ie, the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes.

Thanks for playing

Empathy is about understanding the other person's situation. Doesn't mean that you have to think their situation is indicative of the norm or requires changes in the system.

The OP has learned a valuable lesson about not spamming abilities in town. And this system works exactly as intended.

would probably help if the toggle that prevents you from accidentally killing an NPC also informed players that it does not prevent you from healing other players and if they are flagged as "outlaws" that you will be also .

UrQuan · March 2015

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Roechacca · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

We brought that issue up on PTS .

Ajantear · March 2015

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Also I can't use a shop to sell anything, my armour is all broken and I can't repair, im actually stuck, who the hell designed that?

Go to your local 'Thieves guild' place. Can't remember the name. There is one under every major city, and a way in from outside the city. You can bank, sell, repair there. Bestially everything you can do normally. And will the special crafting locations all over the maps you can effectively live out of the normal towns and cities until the bounty vanishes.

However that is going to take some time with a bounty like that.

But I did this as well. I accidentally charged a friendly soldier who was fighting an enemy one. Then I did not back down and run when they attacked after we killed that enemy. Then I 'may' have sort of looted them and refused to pay up to a guard... one thing led to another. Then I also healed someone who was injured without realising the circumstances.

All told I got a very action packed introduction to the justice system and discovered the guild under Daggerfall. All told it was great fun and I came out on top gold wise and got some dubious new achievements on an otherwise 'good guy' character.

Sinbaar · March 2015

I meant the springs spamming peeps, who just run arround to..i don't quite know why they are doing that.

Ysne58 · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Might want to feedback that in game as well.

DanielMaxwell · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

I suspect those having the same issue as the OP are all using AOE heals instead of single target heals , leading to them accidentally healing "outlaw" players and getting flagged themselves .

The only fix i can think of is to restrict healing , and buff spells to party members only , while still having the game flag players as "outlaws" for healing a "outlaw" player , while in towns .

UrQuan · March 2015

Ysne58 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

To all the people saying "just don't heal in towns" you do know that there are some quests that make you fight enemies in towns, don't you? Off the top of my head there are 2 quests in Daggerfall where you have to fight within the town, 1 in Riften, 1 in Ebonheart, 1 in Aldcroft, 1 in Cormount... I'm sure there are others too.

So as long as heals aren't directly targeted "just don't heal in towns" is really stupid advice.

Might want to feedback that in game as well.

To be perfectly honest I haven't done so because a lot of feedback was given on this on PTS, and I haven't yet had it cause a problem for me personally. I just recognize that it is a problem, it is going to give some people bounties through no fault of their own, and it does make "just don't heal in towns" a really stupid thing to say.