1 Hour of PvE Grinding = 4 Champion Points, 4 hours of Cyrodiil = 1/8th a point

Tintinabula · March 2015

all of the enemy bounty quests in a day got me a little over two champion points. I got the third by making sure i was around during dee ticks etc.

P.S I mentioned my concern before about noobs starting new toons would prolly be able to get to 70 champ points before they were even vet rank 1.

Knootewoot · March 2015

If i do the kill quests in Cyyrodil and just PvP as normal i get about 1 CP.

So my aim is just to have fun (PvP'ing) and i get 1 CP in the progress.

I do have one question i cannot find an answer to. If i use 1 CP.. do i get only the bonus i selected with the CP or are there any hidden bonusses (extra health, regenertion or something)

BEZDNA · March 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

. I did a single Undaunted Vet dungeon and made about 200K. I grabbed a grinding partner and decided to AoE grind. I made 1.5 Million exp in an hour.

I don't belive you words, looks like you are lieing here!!!! 1 undaunted vet dungeon gives you about 20k XP, 20K not 200K as you sad! And 1,5 milion xp per Hour by grinding is also lies! There is no such spots in game where you can farm so fast!

olsborg · March 2015

I tried farming in pve just to test it out, I got about 650k xp in one hour. (with enlightenment)
This xp is obviously, only applied to the champ system.

DeLindsay · March 2015

BEZDNA wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

. I did a single Undaunted Vet dungeon and made about 200K. I grabbed a grinding partner and decided to AoE grind. I made 1.5 Million exp in an hour.

I don't belive you words, looks like you are lieing here!!!! 1 undaunted vet dungeon gives you about 20k XP, 20K not 200K as you sad! And 1,5 milion xp per Hour by grinding is also lies! There is no such spots in game where you can farm so fast!

Vet Dungeons actually give (including Gold Key quest) 25-40K XP (still too low IMHO) which if you are Enlightened the entire time equals 100-160K XP towards your next CP so they probably were talking about the XP in the Champion System, not Character XP.

Perichor · March 2015

WRX wrote: »

We all knew it'd be like this. Lets just keep it quite and move on, won't be seeing any fix soon. Thanks.

i feel that you are right

but when i go out to a IN-N-OUT (California based restaurant) and order some fries and get a salad
i dont keep it quiet and move on i usually ask for what i ordered lol
so as a customer IN-N-ZOS i would like extra xp for my PVP
so i dont have to PVE and you can keep taking my money zos
thats all i give you money and you give me game
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and my game is not to grind crocodiles for 12 hours
i would much rather put that time into PVP

so on this issue ZOS don't ignore your pvp player base even further

give us the fries we paid for.........

thank you

Sotha_Sil · March 2015

In my opinion we need more quests in PVP - only PVP related "kill 20 DC/EP/AD enemies"; "take x keeps"; "kill the emperor"... and so on. We must be able to take all those quests at the same time ! Having to go to the quest board every time is a waste of time.

Keron · March 2015

Make taking or defending an objective in Cyrodiil award 25 times as much XP as right now without changing the AP rewards.

Alternatively, have the 5 Kill-Player-Quests reward 1 CP instead of XP and AP. You are limited to 5 a day, but those are comparatively easy to get.

Whatever you do, don't implement anything that requires you to grind in Cyrodiil. Or AP-farm. Or whatever you want to call it.

Tankqull · March 2015

Keron wrote: »

Make taking or defending an objective in Cyrodiil award 25 times as much XP as right now without changing the AP rewards.

Alternatively, have the 5 Kill-Player-Quests reward 1 CP instead of XP and AP. You are limited to 5 a day, but those are comparatively easy to get.

Whatever you do, don't implement anything that requires you to grind in Cyrodiil. Or AP-farm. Or whatever you want to call it.

that will lead to constant keep/tower trading as seen in warhammer online.

i can under stand their problem with pvp xp wise...
my option to balance it somehow is to increase the xp per playerkill in conjunction to a killing spree/timeframe reduction to supress AP grinding.
lets say the 1st kill gives 2k xp every further kill reduces this value by 200xp untill it reaches current values, while you have to stay out of fight for two minutes to refresh that value.
so AP grinder will not have a big advantage by that as they stay constantly in combat, while everybody else will recieve a substentional increase.

Keron · March 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Keron wrote: »

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that will lead to constant keep/tower trading as seen in warhammer online.[...]

Well, AP and XP for capturing/defending an objective still scale to the amount of work put in. Capping an empty keep gives almost nothing while fighting for 6hrs with many whelps on all sides can be pretty rewarding.

As long as you make the multiplier scaling appropriately (like increasing the multiplier over time, empty keep = 1 times the XP, 5hrs massive fight = 25 times the XP) at the same time, you could very well prevent keep trading to be effective.

Cody · March 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you really want to spend most your time doing PVE to get a minor advantage in PVP go for it. I will be having fun doing what i want which is PVP and gain C XP fast enough which is really just like a very small bonus for playing the game.

On another note.. all this time you spend PVE grining will put you so far behind in Alliance ranks and campaign score competatition and rewards that you will never be able to catch up to those that just PVP for C XP

you don't know how much of a difference CP makes do you? Trust me, its more than just a "very small bonus"

Thankfully people won't be maxing out CPs for a good long time anyway; and anyone who is trying to grind it out is, in my opinion, wasting their time. BUT WHEN people start getting 3600 CPs, people that do only/mainly PVP will not be caught up due to the garbage XP rate PvP gives; and CPs make a HUGE difference; especially if you are facing someone with all 3600(in fact people with near or maxed out CPs are OP as fudge)

Cody · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Doing Cyrodiil kill quests, and a couple capture quests tonight, with about 150 kills and other misc, I racked up over 650k XP tonight in three hours in Cyrodiil.

Each kill quest is worth about 45k
Each cap quest is about 25k
Each tick is 1908 XP
Each kill varies but it adds up.

I have never received this much from PvP.

then again I don't get 150 kills:/

Jaxsun · March 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

So after I spent about 4-5 hours in Cyrodiil after 1.6 and racked up a total of 57K towards my first Champion Point. I got sick of the lack of progression, put on my robe and wizard hat and headed out to care bear land. I did a single Undaunted Vet dungeon and made about 200K. Not too bad considering it worked out to about 8 times the exp I was making PvPing even with the many PvE failures of our group. However I hate vet dungeons, so I wanted to try something else. I grabbed a grinding partner and decided to AoE grind. I made 1.5 Million exp in an hour. I'm earning literally 100 times the exp AoE grinding mobs than I was making PvPing.

Now I'm faced with a choice. Do something I hate that greatly improves my character or do something that I love instead and become weaker as time goes by and everyone else passes me.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler this needs fixed! Exp in Cyrodiil cannot remain so low with the new Champion System progression.

I agree, that's bad but I'd rather they increase AP earned so I can reach AR 24 faster and max out my PVP passives sooner.

wOOOOt_of_SD · March 2015

Fix it ZOS, just *** fix it.

Sallington · March 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

4 Hours of Ranking up Legerdemain = CP counter barely moved.

Farming mats for hours = No CP at all.

Roleplaying = No CP at all.

Crafting/Research/Deconstructing gear = No CP at all.

Vet Dungeon clears = CP counter barely moved.

Trial clears = CP counter barely moved.

Crafting Writs (all 6) = CP counter barely moved.

PvP = CP counter barely moved.

The only valid way to gain CP is to hope and pray to find a spot to Grind tirelessly or do the same repeatable/daily quests over and over again because you've already completed all of Silver/Gold and every Zone quest. We gave very good feedback during PTS about how ZoS could remedy this and they literally didn't listen.

This is my biggest gripe. All of my favorite parts of the game are the worst ways to gain CP.

leandro.800ub17_ESO · March 2015

I did 2 vet dungeons one as gold key (2h:30m of play) and i got 18k points bar didnt move at all.

Ezareth · March 2015

BEZDNA wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

. I did a single Undaunted Vet dungeon and made about 200K. I grabbed a grinding partner and decided to AoE grind. I made 1.5 Million exp in an hour.

I don't belive you words, looks like you are lieing here!!!! 1 undaunted vet dungeon gives you about 20k XP, 20K not 200K as you sad! And 1,5 milion xp per Hour by grinding is also lies! There is no such spots in game where you can farm so fast!

Believe what you will. I repeated the process last night.

Bipolo · March 2015

This whole CP grind, along with the absurd lack of XP made in Cyro is keeping me from even getting started with 1.6 atm...

I naively thought they would for once make PvP progression on par with Carebear progression /facePalm

k2blader · March 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Wow.

They really need to nerf PVE CP grinding. That is way too fast, as people predicted.

This!! They do need to buff PvP CP gain, but the problem is the rate of gain for PvE.

kijima · March 2015

BEZDNA wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

. I did a single Undaunted Vet dungeon and made about 200K. I grabbed a grinding partner and decided to AoE grind. I made 1.5 Million exp in an hour.

I don't belive you words, looks like you are lieing here!!!! 1 undaunted vet dungeon gives you about 20k XP, 20K not 200K as you sad! And 1,5 milion xp per Hour by grinding is also lies! There is no such spots in game where you can farm so fast!

I know of one place (everytime I go there, I see very familiar PvP faces out the front

) that gains you 8K XP without enlightenment, that's just in the first room of trash mobs let alone the rest of the bads there, which is what you do, there's the usual bosses and trash mobs etc.

However, just on that first room we worked out that if you are in a group of 2 you can drop group, leave, group back up and go in, then rinse repeat every 3 minutes on average, and that wasn't taking a speed run approach to it, we could cut that down further with some tweaks. Probably going to give it a go tonight if my grinding buddy is on.

With enlightenment it's 32K for the first room filled with trash mobs, with rings of mara, it's 35K XP. We know we can do that easily in 3 minutes per cycle, so that's a dead easy 700K per hour just by doing the front room over and over again at that particular location. I'm sure we could push that much, much higher but we are at the mercy of a loading screen, so further testing is needed.

Boring, hell yes. But it might end up being the best, most consistent grind spot for us.

.

Tintinabula · March 2015

70 points simply was not enough for vet 14 characters considering the time spent. I would bet the farm that if someone started a character today and went all the way to vet 14 pvp rank tribune they would have a lot more CP than a paultry 70 cp

Smeag · March 2015

At this point I honestly hope we can just buy CP in the crown store. I mean who wants to grind for countless hours everyday for 6-12 months? I know it's not intended to be a grind, but with the way the system is set up a lot of people are grinding it and are getting miles ahead of everyone else. If you want to be able to compete with these people then unfortunately you'll have to be grinding aswell.

Perichor · March 2015

if they are not going to change PVP xp gains

then they should not nerf grinding so hard or at all

so we pvpers at least have somewhere to go to get the job done quick
then go back to PVPing

ZOS

CONSIDER THAT!

Tankqull · March 2015

maybe they could apply some kind of AP enlightment, by implementing purchasable xp pots that are bound on purchase wich grant 4x xp for its duration a given amount of xp with a 1:1 convertion ratio wich are only usable in PvE areas.

so its not going hand in hand gaining APs and CPs but gain APs that can be converted by PvE into CPs.

kevlarto_ESO · March 2015

One problem in pvp is there are times when nothing is going on, no point gains at all.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · March 2015

Pvp exp does need to be higher that said.

Either zos changed something about enlightenment and really screwed up bad. OR there is a bug. You were only supposed to get 1 cp worth of elightenment each day, i just got 3.5 last night. And i had been using my daily allotment previouzly so nothing was banked. If it isnt fixed quick by next week grinds will have 2x as many cp as regular players. Even now they could easily have racked up 30+ cp maybe even more if there is a persistent enlightenment bug.

Gargragrond · March 2015

It may be bugged somehow. I had enlightenment at some point, but lost it before earning any cp. Now after few days totaling 15-20 hrs of pvp, i have about 1/3 of my first cp earned, at this rate, I guess I'll earn around 10-20 points during one year.

RedTalon · March 2015

Does make buff campaigns useful again, given the town quests give out decent xp and can be done fast.

But yeah spiting my time between doing town quests, crimes, and pvp, can say the twon quests is how I got my two chump points.

Samadhi · March 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

Does make buff campaigns useful again, given the town quests give out decent xp and can be done fast.

But yeah spiting my time between doing town quests, crimes, and pvp, can say the twon quests is how I got my two chump points.

Town quests give 4990 per quest.
10 quests per town; 5 towns to complete.

So a little over half a champion point available per day by doing all the dailies in Cyrodiil.

I dunno, that still seems like even Cyrodiil PvE is pretty low-grade compared to what can be quested or grinded out in the other zones.
Higher risk, lower reward. Cyrodiil exp gains appear to need buffs across the board.

RedTalon · March 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Does make buff campaigns useful again, given the town quests give out decent xp and can be done fast.

But yeah spiting my time between doing town quests, crimes, and pvp, can say the twon quests is how I got my two chump points.

Town quests give 4990 per quest.
10 quests per town; 5 towns to complete.

So a little over 1 champion point available per day by doing all the dailies in Cyrodiil.

I dunno, that still seems like even Cyrodiil PvE is pretty low-grade compared to what can be quested or grinded out in the other zones.
Higher risk, lower reward. Cyrodiil exp gains appear to need buffs across the board.

Must have been do to enlightenment or me spam doing scout quests along side them, cause only did three towns burma twice and the one between brindle and blackfoot.