I'm also very interested in this. For the Veteran's out there, where are you seeing yourself ranking now adays DPS wise? Are DKs still top DPS? Are Templar's with all the changes? What is the new FOTM?

I'm most curious to see what the new average is, helps me determine what to aim for on my characters. Or at least lets me know where i stand.

You should request screen print results. Other wise people can just talk out of their a$$.

Dunmer Vampire Sorcerer, magicka based, Veteran Rank 14.

I'm not sure, as recount has not been updated, and does not seem to count pet damage anyway.
But, around 5k (plus dps from restoring twilight) or so on average i think (daedric curse does not have time to explode twice when killing a 50k health giant in Rift).
42 Magicka 20 Health 0 Stamina (approx 1.2k spell power, 45% spell crit with potion)
7 parts light armor Armor & Destruction staff are v14 purples (with purple magicka enchants, magicka damage/restore enchant on weapons) 5 part seducer & 3 part willow's path, neck and rings are v12 2 purples and 1 blue (magicka regen).

With constant use of potions (spell damage, spell crit and magicka regen) i can do pretty much non stop dps, but the dps is not high.

Thinking of maybe switching to 4 parts Eye's of Mara and 4 parts Twilights embrace at some point (when i have the money)
2x spell power bonus, spell crit bonus and magicka bonus and a health bonus (while loosing magicka recovery and recuction to spell cost), should give more dps, but less time to do it in.
or maybe skip eyes of mara for 4 parts willow's path, more health regen and spell crit, but with the price of magicka and magic power.

The average range right now is 8k to 10k for DPS.

Altmer Sorcerer, Full Magicka, VR13(No PVP Buffs)

Build: "Load of Pets"
A ) Crushing Shock weaved with light attacks + Crystal Frament Proc + Power Surge(20% Spell dmg) = 4k avg/7.2k max
B ) Clannfear and Restoring Twilight + Empowered Ward(22% dmg) + Deadric Prey(30% dmg) = 2.8k avg/ 3.2k max
C ) Energy Overload with B+Inner Light on 3rd bar + Power Surge = 11k avg/ 13.8k max

Armor: 5 piece warlock VR12 purple, 2 piece Torug's Pact blue, 2 piece Seducer blue/purple
Weapon: Fire Destruction Staff of Seducer, Blue.

Stats: 61 Magicka, 1629 Spell Dmg, 35.2% Spell Crit, 1223 Weapon Dmg.(with Magelight and Power Surge)

This video shows the build against VR9 Mammoths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX-ORZSC9M


I went into this build with an open mind, hearing that Sorcerers were the highest dps in 1.6 during a live cast and that they needed to be brought down a notch. I later learned that this was achieved with pets, hence the use of them for this build and hence the name(because I thought it was a load of it to have to use them). Now, with some armor tweaks I'm sure that you could add at least 2k to each value and with the use of potions you can boost it a little more. It's fun to play with and I can definitely see the power behind it.

However, this build(or any pet based build) takes WAY too much micro managing in order to have your pets do as much dps as possible. You have to pop the ward, pop Power Surge, Curse the target and then make sure your pets attack that target; all while weaving light attacks with Crushing Shock and looking for that Frag Proc. This makes long battles tedious to regulate, especially if the enemy can knock out your pets with AOE.

The real meat and potatoes of this build is the fun and relief of using Overload. With the third bar as above you can manage your pets and do some serious, sustainable damage. Overload costs almost nothing and is easily charged. If you go into a long battle with 1k% of ultimate, you can bring even beefiest bosses to smack'n level before you run out, then charge it up with all that surplus magicka.

This is a fun PVE build, but that's where the fun ends. In pvp you can take on most 1v1, but you have to be too meticulous for anything more. You can only stack two shields, unless you part ways with Power Surge(which is recommended in PVP), and you'll want to slot thundering presence in your overload bar to keep from being just another Glass Cannon. All that takes about 5s to complete and, as we all know, 5s can mean death. In group pvp/seiges, this build is still useful if you slot your AOEs instead of Cruhsing Shock and Daedric Prey.

That being said, it's definitely not what the PR hyped us up about. Either that or it was a pretty big notch to take it down to.


Edit:

I wanted to add that no build should have to rely own their ultimate for the heavy lifting. It's just not effective, as the timing and cost will never line up.

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

Depends on the type of mob, their resistances, their weaknesses.

^^^ THIS!

A lot of people are comparing apples with oranges! & then wondering why their apples don't taste orangey....

Not their fault, as we don't have standardised test dummies yet (Looking at you ZoS! hint hint!)

Valmond wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

Depends on the type of mob, their resistances, their weaknesses.

^^^ THIS!

A lot of people are comparing apples with oranges! & then wondering why their apples don't taste orangey....

Not their fault, as we don't have standardised test dummies yet (Looking at you ZoS! hint hint!)

And no standard tool for taking the numbers (i'm just guestimating myself).
How do people get their dps numbers?
And what kind of mob do you use for measuring?

Use addons such as FTC, AUI Advanced UI, or CLS which have DPS meters and detailed combat information post fight.

As for the mob, its dealers choice but usually something with enough health so it survives long enough to get a good reading.

Kova wrote: »

Altmer Sorcerer, Full Magicka, VR13(No PVP Buffs)

Build: "Load of Pets"
A ) Crushing Shock weaved with light attacks + Crystal Frament Proc + Power Surge(20% Spell dmg) = 4k avg/7.2k max
B ) Clannfear and Restoring Twilight + Empowered Ward(22% dmg) + Deadric Prey(30% dmg) = 2.8k avg/ 3.2k max
C ) Energy Overload with B+Inner Light on 3rd bar + Power Surge = 11k avg/ 13.8k max

Armor: 5 piece warlock VR12 purple, 2 piece Torug's Pact blue, 2 piece Seducer blue/purple
Weapon: Fire Destruction Staff of Seducer, Blue.

Stats: 61 Magicka, 1629 Spell Dmg, 35.2% Spell Crit, 1223 Weapon Dmg.(with Magelight and Power Surge)

This video shows the build against VR9 Mammoths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX-ORZSC9M


I went into this build with an open mind, hearing that Sorcerers were the highest dps in 1.6 during a live cast and that they needed to be brought down a notch. I later learned that this was achieved with pets, hence the use of them for this build and hence the name(because I thought it was a load of it to have to use them). Now, with some armor tweaks I'm sure that you could add at least 2k to each value and with the use of potions you can boost it a little more. It's fun to play with and I can definitely see the power behind it.

However, this build(or any pet based build) takes WAY too much micro managing in order to have your pets do as much dps as possible. You have to pop the ward, pop Power Surge, Curse the target and then make sure your pets attack that target; all while weaving light attacks with Crushing Shock and looking for that Frag Proc. This makes long battles tedious to regulate, especially if the enemy can knock out your pets with AOE.

The real meat and potatoes of this build is the fun and relief of using Overload. With the third bar as above you can manage your pets and do some serious, sustainable damage. Overload costs almost nothing and is easily charged. If you go into a long battle with 1k% of ultimate, you can bring even beefiest bosses to smack'n level before you run out, then charge it up with all that surplus magicka.

This is a fun PVE build, but that's where the fun ends. In pvp you can take on most 1v1, but you have to be too meticulous for anything more. You can only stack two shields, unless you part ways with Power Surge(which is recommended in PVP), and you'll want to slot thundering presence in your overload bar to keep from being just another Glass Cannon. All that takes about 5s to complete and, as we all know, 5s can mean death. In group pvp/seiges, this build is still useful if you slot your AOEs instead of Cruhsing Shock and Daedric Prey.

That being said, it's definitely not what the PR hyped us up about. Either that or it was a pretty big notch to take it down to.


Edit:

I wanted to add that no build should have to rely own their ultimate for the heavy lifting. It's just not effective, as the timing and cost will never line up.

These are normal DPS numbers for beginner, non optimized builds. In reality, you cannot use these armor sets or these specific skill bars and expect to do well. There's a lot wrong with this build, and that's why you are seeing very, very, very low DPS numbers. Almost all of the 1.5 builds are terrible in 1.6.

Once you find the correct gear and skill rotation, you SHOULD be getting 7k DPS minimum without using ultimates.

Edit: stamina 2H builds are extremely powerful. You pretty much have to just spam Wrecking Blow and you will be in the 8k DPS range. Magicka builds have to work a LOT harder to maintain this DPS.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Altmer Sorcerer, Full Magicka, VR13(No PVP Buffs)

Build: "Load of Pets"
A ) Crushing Shock weaved with light attacks + Crystal Frament Proc + Power Surge(20% Spell dmg) = 4k avg/7.2k max
B ) Clannfear and Restoring Twilight + Empowered Ward(22% dmg) + Deadric Prey(30% dmg) = 2.8k avg/ 3.2k max
C ) Energy Overload with B+Inner Light on 3rd bar + Power Surge = 11k avg/ 13.8k max

Armor: 5 piece warlock VR12 purple, 2 piece Torug's Pact blue, 2 piece Seducer blue/purple
Weapon: Fire Destruction Staff of Seducer, Blue.

Stats: 61 Magicka, 1629 Spell Dmg, 35.2% Spell Crit, 1223 Weapon Dmg.(with Magelight and Power Surge)

This video shows the build against VR9 Mammoths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX-ORZSC9M


I went into this build with an open mind, hearing that Sorcerers were the highest dps in 1.6 during a live cast and that they needed to be brought down a notch. I later learned that this was achieved with pets, hence the use of them for this build and hence the name(because I thought it was a load of it to have to use them). Now, with some armor tweaks I'm sure that you could add at least 2k to each value and with the use of potions you can boost it a little more. It's fun to play with and I can definitely see the power behind it.

However, this build(or any pet based build) takes WAY too much micro managing in order to have your pets do as much dps as possible. You have to pop the ward, pop Power Surge, Curse the target and then make sure your pets attack that target; all while weaving light attacks with Crushing Shock and looking for that Frag Proc. This makes long battles tedious to regulate, especially if the enemy can knock out your pets with AOE.

The real meat and potatoes of this build is the fun and relief of using Overload. With the third bar as above you can manage your pets and do some serious, sustainable damage. Overload costs almost nothing and is easily charged. If you go into a long battle with 1k% of ultimate, you can bring even beefiest bosses to smack'n level before you run out, then charge it up with all that surplus magicka.

This is a fun PVE build, but that's where the fun ends. In pvp you can take on most 1v1, but you have to be too meticulous for anything more. You can only stack two shields, unless you part ways with Power Surge(which is recommended in PVP), and you'll want to slot thundering presence in your overload bar to keep from being just another Glass Cannon. All that takes about 5s to complete and, as we all know, 5s can mean death. In group pvp/seiges, this build is still useful if you slot your AOEs instead of Cruhsing Shock and Daedric Prey.

That being said, it's definitely not what the PR hyped us up about. Either that or it was a pretty big notch to take it down to.


Edit:

I wanted to add that no build should have to rely own their ultimate for the heavy lifting. It's just not effective, as the timing and cost will never line up.

These are normal DPS numbers for beginner, non optimized builds. In reality, you cannot use these armor sets or these specific skill bars and expect to do well. There's a lot wrong with this build, and that's why you are seeing very, very, very low DPS numbers. Almost all of the 1.5 builds are terrible in 1.6.

Once you find the correct gear and skill rotation, you SHOULD be getting 7k DPS minimum without using ultimates.

Edit: stamina 2H builds are extremely powerful. You pretty much have to just spam Wrecking Blow and you will be in the 8k DPS range. Magicka builds have to work a LOT harder to maintain this DPS.

I'd love some pointers for 1.6. I didn't realize my builds were so beginnery. Any tips?

Kova wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Altmer Sorcerer, Full Magicka, VR13(No PVP Buffs)

Build: "Load of Pets"
A ) Crushing Shock weaved with light attacks + Crystal Frament Proc + Power Surge(20% Spell dmg) = 4k avg/7.2k max
B ) Clannfear and Restoring Twilight + Empowered Ward(22% dmg) + Deadric Prey(30% dmg) = 2.8k avg/ 3.2k max
C ) Energy Overload with B+Inner Light on 3rd bar + Power Surge = 11k avg/ 13.8k max

Armor: 5 piece warlock VR12 purple, 2 piece Torug's Pact blue, 2 piece Seducer blue/purple
Weapon: Fire Destruction Staff of Seducer, Blue.

Stats: 61 Magicka, 1629 Spell Dmg, 35.2% Spell Crit, 1223 Weapon Dmg.(with Magelight and Power Surge)

This video shows the build against VR9 Mammoths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX-ORZSC9M


I went into this build with an open mind, hearing that Sorcerers were the highest dps in 1.6 during a live cast and that they needed to be brought down a notch. I later learned that this was achieved with pets, hence the use of them for this build and hence the name(because I thought it was a load of it to have to use them). Now, with some armor tweaks I'm sure that you could add at least 2k to each value and with the use of potions you can boost it a little more. It's fun to play with and I can definitely see the power behind it.

However, this build(or any pet based build) takes WAY too much micro managing in order to have your pets do as much dps as possible. You have to pop the ward, pop Power Surge, Curse the target and then make sure your pets attack that target; all while weaving light attacks with Crushing Shock and looking for that Frag Proc. This makes long battles tedious to regulate, especially if the enemy can knock out your pets with AOE.

The real meat and potatoes of this build is the fun and relief of using Overload. With the third bar as above you can manage your pets and do some serious, sustainable damage. Overload costs almost nothing and is easily charged. If you go into a long battle with 1k% of ultimate, you can bring even beefiest bosses to smack'n level before you run out, then charge it up with all that surplus magicka.

This is a fun PVE build, but that's where the fun ends. In pvp you can take on most 1v1, but you have to be too meticulous for anything more. You can only stack two shields, unless you part ways with Power Surge(which is recommended in PVP), and you'll want to slot thundering presence in your overload bar to keep from being just another Glass Cannon. All that takes about 5s to complete and, as we all know, 5s can mean death. In group pvp/seiges, this build is still useful if you slot your AOEs instead of Cruhsing Shock and Daedric Prey.

That being said, it's definitely not what the PR hyped us up about. Either that or it was a pretty big notch to take it down to.


Edit:

I wanted to add that no build should have to rely own their ultimate for the heavy lifting. It's just not effective, as the timing and cost will never line up.

These are normal DPS numbers for beginner, non optimized builds. In reality, you cannot use these armor sets or these specific skill bars and expect to do well. There's a lot wrong with this build, and that's why you are seeing very, very, very low DPS numbers. Almost all of the 1.5 builds are terrible in 1.6.

Once you find the correct gear and skill rotation, you SHOULD be getting 7k DPS minimum without using ultimates.

Edit: stamina 2H builds are extremely powerful. You pretty much have to just spam Wrecking Blow and you will be in the 8k DPS range. Magicka builds have to work a LOT harder to maintain this DPS.

I'd love some pointers for 1.6. I didn't realize my builds were so beginnery. Any tips?

@Kova, your stat maxing priority as a staff wielding magicka sorc dps should be spell damage>max magicka>spell critical damage>spell crit. To do this you need spell damage set gear for example:
Martial knowledge
Torug's Pact
Cyrodiil's light
Adroitness

use infused and divines traits on body armor as much as possible all magicka enchants on armor, cost reduction or spell damage on jewelry.

use precise on lightning staffs with magicka absorb enchants.

That being said stamina builds are doing more dps easier. And 2H is just OP atm.

Attributes: put on all your armor, enchants, eat your food and turn on all your buffs/toggles and see what your max HP is. Begin adding attribute points until your HP is ~20-21k. Put the rest into Magicka.

Edit: And I tried pets too, maybe I missed something but they were garbage compared to what I pulled from straight spell damage. They crit high, but the lows were looow and it didn't crit as often. Shelved them.

Just a few tips:

Hybrid builds are pretty much dead. Go either stamina or magicka and don't look back. Except stamina sorcs seem to have problems, not that I know personally I've just seen all the fuss on the forums.

Focus on weapon or spell damage. There are a few sets that give large amounts of one or the other. These sets have skyrocketed in price. Take a look at ravagers set for the beginning of a 2H build. Hundings, Dreugh king slayer, and a few other are decent sets to start a stam build. I haven't looked into spell damage sets yet.

Weapon and spell damage jewelry enchantments or cost reduction if you need it.

Try to have about 20k hp give or take a bit at minimum.

Racials matter way more now than they did before. Pick a race to match your build based on either stam or magicka primarily.

So far ive been able to get my redguard stamina templar off to a decent start. I am switching him over from light/heavy s&b + resto to medium/heavy 2H + bow. I'm still leveling medium armor and some 2H morphs but I've been able to pull some decent numbers. My gear is suboptimal because I dont have some of the pieces I need from a few sets and I don't have the 5 piece medium armor passive. Even with 3 heavy 4 medium I have been able to hit 3.25k weapon damage briefly. I put too many points into health and need to move some to stamina, but as it stands I have 21-22k of each. I've been easily hitting 10-12k dps killing trolls, mammoths, and giants without potions. As far as a longer fight, I don't know but being a redguard gives me a ton of sustainability. I think the highest wrecking blow I've seen myself do was around the 14.5-15.5k range. I know I can do way better once I have fixed my attributes, some gear, and have gotten the 12% weapon crit champion passive.

I haven't gotten to the bow side of things yet but will be soon enough. I might end up dual wielding or choosing something else, I haven't decided.

Does anyone know if the increased critical damage mundas would be better than the warrior given a higher crit rating paired with the new templar crit damage passive?

All I have done is kill pathetic tribunal worshiping s'wits...err... i mean innocent civilians(:D) and farm some giant snakes in reapers march for shadowhide, I have yet to do PvP or vet dungeons in 1.6

but just to throw it out, my ganking attacks netted me about 10Kish DPS. outright fighting...... not so much:( DW is crap for DPS it seems; which is why im making a new 2H character.

Id say around 10K is what you want to shoot for, maybe a little less if you want to make some cutbacks.

Well, i've been testing more with the Combat Log Statistics (vr10 giants in Rift).
and seems i'm stuck somewhere around 4k, or 5k if i switch to (vr11 blue) martial knowledge set from (vr14 purple) seducers, but then i have 2k less magicka, few hundred less magicka regen, and with spells costing so much more (switched ring/neck enchants to magic damage instead of cost reduction) i start loosing magicka at alarming rate.

Part of it is simply ping (keeps jumping between 200 and 400+ at random), some of it is randomly spells not going of (why? who knows, maybe there was a pixel between me and the giant), some, may be bad skill choices (Crushing Shuck, Daedric Prey, Crystal Shards, with Restoring Twilight and Bound Aegis toggles).
But apart from that, i can't help but feel i am missing something (apart from better gear).

Any tips for sorcerer magicka dps, other than "weave" and "get better gear"
Which is not to say that tips on how to gear are not welcome (or how to "weave" better), but they are not very helpfull for someone trying to get better to easier gear up in dungeons.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Altmer Sorcerer, Full Magicka, VR13(No PVP Buffs)

Build: "Load of Pets"
A ) Crushing Shock weaved with light attacks + Crystal Frament Proc + Power Surge(20% Spell dmg) = 4k avg/7.2k max
B ) Clannfear and Restoring Twilight + Empowered Ward(22% dmg) + Deadric Prey(30% dmg) = 2.8k avg/ 3.2k max
C ) Energy Overload with B+Inner Light on 3rd bar + Power Surge = 11k avg/ 13.8k max

Armor: 5 piece warlock VR12 purple, 2 piece Torug's Pact blue, 2 piece Seducer blue/purple
Weapon: Fire Destruction Staff of Seducer, Blue.

Stats: 61 Magicka, 1629 Spell Dmg, 35.2% Spell Crit, 1223 Weapon Dmg.(with Magelight and Power Surge)

This video shows the build against VR9 Mammoths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHX-ORZSC9M


I went into this build with an open mind, hearing that Sorcerers were the highest dps in 1.6 during a live cast and that they needed to be brought down a notch. I later learned that this was achieved with pets, hence the use of them for this build and hence the name(because I thought it was a load of it to have to use them). Now, with some armor tweaks I'm sure that you could add at least 2k to each value and with the use of potions you can boost it a little more. It's fun to play with and I can definitely see the power behind it.

However, this build(or any pet based build) takes WAY too much micro managing in order to have your pets do as much dps as possible. You have to pop the ward, pop Power Surge, Curse the target and then make sure your pets attack that target; all while weaving light attacks with Crushing Shock and looking for that Frag Proc. This makes long battles tedious to regulate, especially if the enemy can knock out your pets with AOE.

The real meat and potatoes of this build is the fun and relief of using Overload. With the third bar as above you can manage your pets and do some serious, sustainable damage. Overload costs almost nothing and is easily charged. If you go into a long battle with 1k% of ultimate, you can bring even beefiest bosses to smack'n level before you run out, then charge it up with all that surplus magicka.

This is a fun PVE build, but that's where the fun ends. In pvp you can take on most 1v1, but you have to be too meticulous for anything more. You can only stack two shields, unless you part ways with Power Surge(which is recommended in PVP), and you'll want to slot thundering presence in your overload bar to keep from being just another Glass Cannon. All that takes about 5s to complete and, as we all know, 5s can mean death. In group pvp/seiges, this build is still useful if you slot your AOEs instead of Cruhsing Shock and Daedric Prey.

That being said, it's definitely not what the PR hyped us up about. Either that or it was a pretty big notch to take it down to.


Edit:

I wanted to add that no build should have to rely own their ultimate for the heavy lifting. It's just not effective, as the timing and cost will never line up.

These are normal DPS numbers for beginner, non optimized builds. In reality, you cannot use these armor sets or these specific skill bars and expect to do well. There's a lot wrong with this build, and that's why you are seeing very, very, very low DPS numbers. Almost all of the 1.5 builds are terrible in 1.6.

Once you find the correct gear and skill rotation, you SHOULD be getting 7k DPS minimum without using ultimates.

Edit: stamina 2H builds are extremely powerful. You pretty much have to just spam Wrecking Blow and you will be in the 8k DPS range. Magicka builds have to work a LOT harder to maintain this DPS.

I'd love some pointers for 1.6. I didn't realize my builds were so beginnery. Any tips?

@Kova, your stat maxing priority as a staff wielding magicka sorc dps should be spell damage>max magicka>spell critical damage>spell crit. To do this you need spell damage set gear for example:
Martial knowledge
Torug's Pact
Cyrodiil's light
Adroitness

use infused and divines traits on body armor as much as possible all magicka enchants on armor, cost reduction or spell damage on jewelry.

use precise on lightning staffs with magicka absorb enchants.

That being said stamina builds are doing more dps easier. And 2H is just OP atm.

Attributes: put on all your armor, enchants, eat your food and turn on all your buffs/toggles and see what your max HP is. Begin adding attribute points until your HP is ~18-20k. Put the rest into Magicka.

Edit: And I tried pets too, maybe I missed something but they were garbage compared to what I pulled from straight spell damage. They crit high, but the lows were looow and it didn't crit as often. Shelved them.

I've found that you pretty much have to use those sets mentioned or throw in healer or necropotence set or else your DPS will be extremely low. There's now a big gap between "sustain" and "DPS" builds. If you want sustain at all, your DPS will be very low like you are seeing (3-4k). If you want a DPS set, your DPS will be much higher (8k+), but it will be harder to sustain in longer fights. In 1.5, you could run a very good sustaining set while also having very good DPS. Now, it seems that's no longer an option.

Currently I can sustain ~7-8k on dungeons bosses and that's with absolutely horrible parses. I didn't test the PTS that much and I'm still getting used to the animation/cast times. My better parses are more like 8-10k sustained. If I got a good run of crits (and a perfect parse) this could be more like 10-12k sustained.

With that said I was seeing single target bursts of 14k and AOE bursts of 27-41k.