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Do Champion Points take too long to get?
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Aimelin✭✭✭About rightIt's way too slow right now.
- Grinding was nerfed
- Questing was nerfed
- PvP is still too low as it has always been
- Dungeons are still too low
I think that 2-3 points a day for avg 4-6 hours of doing any combination of the above is a fair amount. It will still take people years to max out at that rate and leave plenty of room left if people want things like exp pots and the 10% boost from subscribing.
you can get 2-3 points if not more while enlightened, so idk tafak more you want .... i think the rate is fine, stop trying to get everything handed to you on a silver platter1 -
TowahnSoul ShrivenI agree that it is too slow even if you were able to obtain 1 CP a day and managed to actually play every single day, it would still take 10 years to get all 3600, im not saying I want all the points in a month but come on this is a little bit extreme0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Xp for points should grow just like they do for every other game. The first few hundred should be easy to get then it should slow down as you get more, this snails pace at which it seems we see now is Ridiculous.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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✭Too slowEnlightened might be an okay system if it worked properly, actually encouraged playing over just logging out, and wasn't such a poorly implemented handicap that limits normal gameplay.0 -
Grunim✭✭✭✭✭Too slowI played a few hours yesterday and several hours today. I am halfway to my first champion point earned. I did a Craglorn quest with a group, helped others complete a quest in Hircine's Haunt, I did several crafting writs, one Cadwell Gold quest where you earn a skill point upon completion, one Cyrodiil delve clear, and a couple of hours of PvP with a group.
Playing the game organically over a two day time period did not even allow me to earn a champion point. This is not cool.Am a whimsical Generation Jones gamer. Online RPGs hooked me since '94 and no sign of stopping soon...7 -
Sandmanninja✭✭✭✭I think people need to change their expectations. It's not a race to "cap" CPs.
It's a continual building of experience, as you do normal things in the game.
I just really wish people would stop trying to bypass the entire game and just hit the end game in a few hours.
Yes, it's your money and your toon, but you're missing SO MUCH content.
CPs will come - just continue to quest and do dungeons.
Hit VR14 and have completed EVERY quest in the game?
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭About rightWhy you would cap cp sys, quick as possible? it isn't born for that and It' s not like a new level system but is a progression of your playtime. If you want complaing for a right thing, ask for new contents to play where to have fun, because for me the cp sys is about right.0 -
Grunim✭✭✭✭✭Too slowSandmanninja wrote: »I think people need to change their expectations. It's not a race to "cap" CPs.
It's a continual building of experience, as you do normal things in the game.
I just really wish people would stop trying to bypass the entire game and just hit the end game in a few hours.
Yes, it's your money and your toon, but you're missing SO MUCH content.
CPs will come - just continue to quest and do dungeons.
Hit VR14 and have completed EVERY quest in the game?
Level a new toon. Get CPs with that one. They're account-wide.
I can understand the sentiment of saying "people need to change their expectations....It's not a race to "cap" CPs. However as I described in my post above yours, I played the game organically and my progress is abysmal compared to someone whose focus is to "work the system". I am on pace to earn one champion point every few days and I am a retired person who has more time on my hands than many players.
When I feel like a game is designed in a way to force me to play in a style I don't enjoy for a prolonged period of time, I tend to walk away from that game and search for other types of entertainment.
I'm not saying I'm at the point of walking away from ESO because this Champion System is brand new and it's far too premature to judge how it will be even a few months from now, but ZOS needs to be careful that they do not alienate players like me who wish to have a reasonable amount of progression for playing the game in a style that probably isn't unique.
Am a whimsical Generation Jones gamer. Online RPGs hooked me since '94 and no sign of stopping soon...1 -
i received my first post patch CP this evening on my V2 toon. I only started with 9 post patch - AND had a period of Enlightenment during a quest... so that may have helped. It seems to be working.0 -
NadiusMaximus✭✭✭✭✭Too fastJust play the game. It's not a race and nobody cares if you have more or less.
If people have such an obsession with such minor things, then maybe mmos aren't the best thing for your mental health.0 -
Khaldar✭✭✭Too slowThe problem is grinders with good grinding spots think it is ok. People who want to earn them with PvXP, quest XP, trials and dungeons are left wanting. I think the grinders are fine, but the other modes of XP need a nice fat BUFF!2
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Khaldar✭✭✭Too slowi don't know why people are complaining that it's too slow, just wait for the enlightened boost, it's pretty damn fast then
without it, meh, i still got my vet zone quests while lvling to v14 so i don't rly think its slow at all
For those of that weren't given enlightenment due to the bug where we get it and it is taken away in a split second multiple times... we envy that you were able to get enlightened.0 -
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✭✭✭Too slowAlso got yesterday around 40k xp. Thats what i can bout earn per day due to play time if i only PvP (wife, kids, work, other hobbies). so it will take me 10 days to get 1 CP. So 3600 will take me 36000 days which is a whopping 98 years WOOHOO.
And i only PvP currently.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭✭✭✭✭david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »I'm just wondering here. I played PvP last night for a few hours. Not totally hardcore, but not really messing around too much either. I ended up with 47k xp, which is just over 10% of what I needed for a single champion point (out of a max of 3,600).
Using casual PVP is a poor example. Only way one gets decent XP in PVP is being very active.
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Laggus✭✭✭✭Too slowGiles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »I'm just wondering here. I played PvP last night for a few hours. Not totally hardcore, but not really messing around too much either. I ended up with 47k xp, which is just over 10% of what I needed for a single champion point (out of a max of 3,600).
Using casual PVP is a poor example. Only way one gets decent XP in PVP is being very active.
Casual PvP is all a lot of people at end game have left when they don't have the time to commit to trials and dungeons or group play. Grinding dailies is boring as hell and not rewarding enough as a result IMO. PvP is all I do after I completed Cadwells gold but I only have 2-3 hrs playtime daily. Even with enlightenment I will be lucky getting one CP a week at my rate.1 -
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✭✭✭Too slowSoon to be seen in a crown store near you!
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Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Too slowIt's way too slow right now.
- Grinding was nerfed
- Questing was nerfed
- PvP is still too low as it has always been
- Dungeons are still too low
I think that 2-3 points a day for avg 4-6 hours of doing any combination of the above is a fair amount. It will still take people years to max out at that rate and leave plenty of room left if people want things like exp pots and the 10% boost from subscribing.
you can get 2-3 points if not more while enlightened, so idk tafak more you want .... i think the rate is fine, stop trying to get everything handed to you on a silver platter
If you still have quests to do.
Try being VR14 and getting them1 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Too slowdwemer_paleologist wrote: »it could be faster but, honestly it's supose to take a long time, what would we do if we could max out our characters with 3600 CP's in 4 months? ...
Four months would be awful. Five+ years, though, is worse.Snit AD Sorc
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭About rightI can understand the sentiment of saying "people need to change their expectations....It's not a race to "cap" CPs. However as I described in my post above yours, I played the game organically and my progress is abysmal compared to someone whose focus is to "work the system". I am on pace to earn one champion point every few days and I am a retired person who has more time on my hands than many players.
The system is designed specifically so that, if you can't play for a significant number of hours every day, the enlightenment system allows you to remain competitive. That is unless you are of the view that only the people who can play constantly should be able to?
Enlightenment isn't designed to encourage someone not to play, but to compensate them for when they can't. The offset is that the person who does play probably has a better chance of enjoying themselves and gaining more materials and equipment than the other player who only gets a boost to their CP earned.
I only have about 4 hours under my belt with regards to directly using the new system (due to a slow patch download) but the CP progress I have seen (even without enlightenment) alongside the other bonuses I gained during that time (equipment etc.) seem about right to me. YMMV of course.0 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Too slowI am currently #34 in Thornblade, having PvP'd almost all day. I gained 1.5 CP's.
I'm at 71 total now, creeping up on 72. I also grinded in Spellscar for a while. This seems too slow.
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Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭Too slowIt's way too slow right now.
- Grinding was nerfed
- Questing was nerfed
- PvP is still too low as it has always been
- Dungeons are still too low
I think that 2-3 points a day for avg 4-6 hours of doing any combination of the above is a fair amount. It will still take people years to max out at that rate and leave plenty of room left if people want things like exp pots and the 10% boost from subscribing.
you can get 2-3 points if not more while enlightened, so idk tafak more you want .... i think the rate is fine, stop trying to get everything handed to you on a silver platter
I gamed for over 6 hours yesterday; 2 of those hours were under "enlightenment". As a V14, I quested in a PVP zone, stole stuff and farmed mats in my last Caldwell's Gold zone, crafted, and back-filled achievements in Caldwell's Silver. My CP is still showing half. If I had been on Rift with a level 65 for 6 hours, I could pretty much guarantee you, that I would have earned at least 6 Attunement Points - which only grant a very small <.01% increase in overall abilities.
Look at the two game systems - Rift has less AP ceiling and a much more constant grind for minimal gains. ESO CPs have a higher ceiling and they lead to game-changing benefits. As a casual, I expect to get a little stronger everyday, ESO certainly didn't show it to me after yesterday's game play.
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I'm putting this here and I'm out.
3 CPs in 5 hours is doable on pvp basis, cheers.0 -
Lied✭✭✭Non of the 3.
They should make it so you get the first one very easy. and they it get harder for evert point you get.
That will do so all people get a chance to get some point and all feel that they get something and they get better.
But not make get to the end as the end point will be a lot harder to get.
That will get most people to be around the middle and all more balanced.
I agree. The diminishing return curve should be go along with an increased experience cost curve that starts out a little lower.
I have a feeling that anyone who is getting a good CP rate right now will likely have that method nerfed sooner or later, but that might just be paranoia talking.0 -
Fire_Ace✭✭Too slowNivzruo_ESO wrote: »Slow this crap down, I've gotten like 10 or 11 CP in the past hour,. This is no fun.
Please teach me master!!! This would be around 4 Veteran Levels in one hour? seems impossible...
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Kragorn✭✭✭✭✭
Either that's an outright lie or you're exploiting something, clearly that's utterly unbelievable how ZOS set up 1.6.Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »Slow this crap down, I've gotten like 10 or 11 CP in the past hour,. This is no fun.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭About rightWait until you get the esp plus bonus, rings of mara bonus, enlightenment bonus then add the XP potion on top of that... you'll be earning Champion points faster than you can say Sheogoromorotundo!What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭About rightPeople need to decide whether they want a feature that takes time to evolve so that they hold an interest in the game over the long term, or a feature that is done and dusted by the end of the week so they can then post how there's going to be nothing for them to do or aim for before next year.3 -
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✭Too slowSo, if there was a way to gain CP for VR14 characters with all quest completed, that be great.
I'm getting something like 130 exp, killing a random enemy in Craglorn(unless my addons are misleading). In other zones I get decreased or non-existent exp due to level difference. I dont have any VR quests left in gold zones.
The rate seem decent enough for lower level VR ranks, with loads of quest to pick from and no exp penalty from being to high lvl. But after that, how's capped characters suppose to gain CP? Crafting writs for 499 exp each?
Seems PvP exp is actually sort of viable now lol. Not because it's good or anything, but only option left for VR14 completionists
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Shlankwald✭✭✭About rightIts AA, its supposed to take a while imo. Its not required and until you get way on up there the difference is hardly noticeable.
I do agree with the scaling, though. They should be pretty easy to get to start out and slowly increase in required exp, capping out around 200 points or so where they go on a standard amount until you max it0
