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PvE Balance Significantly Improved
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I was playing around for a bit on my main yesterday, and after experimenting with some new bar setups, I'm really enjoying the new balance. I feel comfortable soloing small groups as a medium armor dual-wield/bow Nightblade, and the dungeons are vastly improved from what I've seen. For those of you who didn't run VR Spindleclutch yesterday, here's what our group observed:
1. Earlier bosses seemed scaled down to more appropriate health levels.
2. The Praxin Douare fight now actually relies on group skill and focus, not on the bugs working in favor of the group. The mini-bosses in the fight have been scaled down to much more manageable levels, and the waves of adds no longer one-shot everyone.
3. The final boss actually seemed to be harder, which felt nice (because he's the final boss of the dungeon). Took a lot of effort to get him down.
4. Those initial Champion Points matter for high-level content. Our healer was getting one-shotted fairly easily and felt like they were struggling. Turns out they hadn't allocated any of their points yet, and as soon as they did, we had no trouble clearing. However, it didn't feel like the Champion Points overpowered the healer, just amped up their survival abilities.
In short, I'm excited to try out more content, because with the new systems in place, combat mechanics seem much more balanced than pre-patch. Of course, I may just spend my time stealing everything that isn't nailed down. Distractions, distractions...
1. Earlier bosses seemed scaled down to more appropriate health levels.
2. The Praxin Douare fight now actually relies on group skill and focus, not on the bugs working in favor of the group. The mini-bosses in the fight have been scaled down to much more manageable levels, and the waves of adds no longer one-shot everyone.
3. The final boss actually seemed to be harder, which felt nice (because he's the final boss of the dungeon). Took a lot of effort to get him down.
4. Those initial Champion Points matter for high-level content. Our healer was getting one-shotted fairly easily and felt like they were struggling. Turns out they hadn't allocated any of their points yet, and as soon as they did, we had no trouble clearing. However, it didn't feel like the Champion Points overpowered the healer, just amped up their survival abilities.
In short, I'm excited to try out more content, because with the new systems in place, combat mechanics seem much more balanced than pre-patch. Of course, I may just spend my time stealing everything that isn't nailed down. Distractions, distractions...
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✭Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Couldn't stay logged long enough to do this, but glad to hear it seems more manageable.
Figure Praxin, Grobul, and Garron will be the benchmarks to start.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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✭✭I've only had time to kill some trash mobs in Craglorn but I didn't see much difference - and I haven't allocated any CP yet.0 -
ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
I think this is a lot of the problem. People keep talking about getting their builds back to "where they were" instead of actually altering their builds to take advantage of the new skills.----
Murray?2 -
Maidenname✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Totally agree, and stop crying nerf Templars. It's about time Templar get some loving. It's frustrating to be shut out out from trials because too many Templars (more than 1 or 2) will gimp the groups dps output. Now that they have some nice Dps contributing numbers, players calling out to dumb them down. Time to give other classes some over due attention and work around making your already OP classes to make your skills to hit even harder and better. Time to let other classes to enjoy.
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance3 -
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✭Sorcerers have absolutely nothing OP in pve. Most of their skill cost a lot more than generic skills, for the same effect.
In pvp, they were strong because they have a good burst potential, and without softcaps it's even better (but weaker survival).2 -
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✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
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ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
Spoken like someone who wants everything on a silver plater and a Insta-win button.
Cry is free, crowns are not.
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So, 4-5 months of development to nerf to extinction one set of skills and replace them by another set.nerevarine1138 wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
I think this is a lot of the problem. People keep talking about getting their builds back to "where they were" instead of actually altering their builds to take advantage of the new skills.
Seems a good way to use use scare resources.
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
I dunno, when I read posts (not just on these forums) written by some of the arguably top players in the world and they are voicing serious concerns about the state of things on PTS, posting hard data and test results, and collectively brainstorming but coming up markedly short of the numbers that other classes are putting up, I don't agree with the sentiment. At all.2 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
Spoken like someone who wants everything on a silver plater and a Insta-win button.
Cry is free, crowns are not.
#rekt #mlg
Not really. I've logged in like twice in the past two months. Now I just troll the forums for my entertainment, but the amusement that gives me is dwindling as well since a large percentage of players who actually knew what the hell they were talking about have moved on in search of greener pastures, leaving mostly a bunch of whiny casuals who wouldn't understand class balance if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.0 -
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✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
Spoken like someone who wants everything on a silver plater and a Insta-win button.
Cry is free, crowns are not.
#rekt #mlg
Not really. I've logged in like twice in the past two months. Now I just troll the forums for my entertainment, but the amusement that gives me is dwindling as well since a large percentage of players who actually knew what the hell they were talking about have moved on in search of greener pastures, leaving mostly a bunch of whiny casuals who wouldn't understand class balance if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.
If you are telling the truth and you have not even logged in to the game but twice in the past two months, you have no business slamming anyone in here for "zero testing on the PTS," let alone because they hold an opinion that differs from yours on the current state of PvE balancing in the game.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
Spoken like someone who wants everything on a silver plater and a Insta-win button.
Cry is free, crowns are not.
#rekt #mlg
Not really. I've logged in like twice in the past two months. Now I just troll the forums for my entertainment, but the amusement that gives me is dwindling as well since a large percentage of players who actually knew what the hell they were talking about have moved on in search of greener pastures, leaving mostly a bunch of whiny casuals who wouldn't understand class balance if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.
If you are telling the truth and you have not even logged in to the game but twice in the past two months, you have no business slamming anyone in here for "zero testing on the PTS," let alone because they hold an opinion that differs from yours on the current state of PvE balancing in the game.
That's true, but self-admittedly I am merely trolling out of boredom.
That fact doesn't necessarily reduce the accuracy of my statements, though. And for the record, the "slamming" started here:
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
I bolded the parts in question in case you were having trouble finding them.0 -
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✭✭I noticed a significant increase in power yesterday, I was able to solo the Dwemer dungeon in Craglorn where everyone used to grind the little critters at the beginning (forget the name, sorry). Dropped it all solo, including boss, before patch I could not even take the 1st group after the critters.I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
I dunno, when I read posts (not just on these forums) written by some of the arguably top players in the world and they are voicing serious concerns about the state of things on PTS, posting hard data and test results, and collectively brainstorming but coming up markedly short of the numbers that other classes are putting up, I don't agree with the sentiment. At all.
I haven't seen the data you're referring to, but must of the whining I've heard here centers around, "My exact build no longer works the exact same way."----
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So, 4-5 months of development to nerf to extinction one set of skills and replace them by another set.nerevarine1138 wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
I think this is a lot of the problem. People keep talking about getting their builds back to "where they were" instead of actually altering their builds to take advantage of the new skills.
Seems a good way to use use scare resources.
GG ZOS.
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Miflett✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
While I generally agree, I do respect that some people like to play a certain way.
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✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
I dunno, when I read posts (not just on these forums) written by some of the arguably top players in the world and they are voicing serious concerns about the state of things on PTS, posting hard data and test results, and collectively brainstorming but coming up markedly short of the numbers that other classes are putting up, I don't agree with the sentiment. At all.
It's simple really. People almost universally don't like change. I also see just as many if not more top players saying the Sorc is in a great spot. Some members of HODOR come to mind, along with members of a few other well known guilds.
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Demira✭✭✭The appeal of the Elder Scrolls Online that initially sold me to this game, was we was sold with the idea from the developers that we can play any way we want. wear what you want ...PLAY the way you want. Seriously....I will dig up the old post and other information that ESO stated this and I am sure everyone can too!
Now....lets look at now.
we HAVE TO WEAR leather or plate armor and less cloth to BE affective in the game. We have to use weapon damage to get your ultimate up.
This list can go on and on...so what happened to play the way you want? NOT this cookie cutting crap ESO is trying to shove down our throats and we have to play like everyone elses builds and NOT YOUR OWN!
(RANT OFF )
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
I dunno, when I read posts (not just on these forums) written by some of the arguably top players in the world and they are voicing serious concerns about the state of things on PTS, posting hard data and test results, and collectively brainstorming but coming up markedly short of the numbers that other classes are putting up, I don't agree with the sentiment. At all.
It's simple really. People almost universally don't like change. I also see just as many if not more top players saying the Sorc is in a great spot. Some members of HODOR come to mind, along with members of a few other well known guilds.
No, people generally don't like change it when it makes them weaker or otherwise puts them at a disadvantage.
But in the end I took your advice: I ended up changing my play style to deal with 1.6. I rolled up a templar and shelved my sorcerer...problem solved.0 -
Demira✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Most of the pve has been balanced, but it's not perfect. Actually, sorcerers are useless in end game pve, and some sets (magicka NB, if I remember) are weak too.
But for the most part, it's a great work.
Magicka nb is still viable and really good actually. Ppl just dont want to chabge their playstyle and cry. And sorcerers have some op skills now.
If ppl spend time on their build as much as they do crying on forum ut would be alot better
Spoken like someone who did zero testing on the PTS and has absolutely no clue about game balance
I spent a couple weeks on the PTS and totally agree with them. People spend too much time complaining and refusing to alter their previous builds and not enough time adapting to the new meta.
I dunno, when I read posts (not just on these forums) written by some of the arguably top players in the world and they are voicing serious concerns about the state of things on PTS, posting hard data and test results, and collectively brainstorming but coming up markedly short of the numbers that other classes are putting up, I don't agree with the sentiment. At all.
It's simple really. People almost universally don't like change. I also see just as many if not more top players saying the Sorc is in a great spot. Some members of HODOR come to mind, along with members of a few other well known guilds.
No, people generally don't like change it when it makes them weaker or otherwise puts them at a disadvantage.
But in the end I took your advice: I ended up changing my play style to deal with 1.6. I rolled up a templar and shelved my sorcerer...problem solved.
I shelved my Sorcerers to...makes me cry really when the Sorc's was my main :'(0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The appeal of the Elder Scrolls Online that initially sold me to this game, was we was sold with the idea from the developers that we can play any way we want. wear what you want ...PLAY the way you want. Seriously....I will dig up the old post and other information that ESO stated this and I am sure everyone can too!
Now....lets look at now.
we HAVE TO WEAR leather or plate armor and less cloth to BE affective in the game. We have to use weapon damage to get your ultimate up.
This list can go on and on...so what happened to play the way you want? NOT this cookie cutting crap ESO is trying to shove down our throats and we have to play like everyone elses builds and NOT YOUR OWN!
(RANT OFF )
Or you could slot a mitigation ability in your bar if you want to wear all light armor and get better at avoiding AoE damage.----
Murray?0
