TheBucket wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Bone Shield

150% Stamina Regen Build

2H/Sword and Board

You will thank me later when i post the build

This is referring to the build that @xsorusb14_ESO posted about here, right?

Not really a build he posted. Just a bunch of capable stamina recovery options that were already known.

Oh, you mean you're trying to come up with a cookie-cutter version.

Fair enough.

Vunter wrote: »

Damage shields:
-Bone shield
-Resto staff ward

Heals:
-Swallow soul
-Mighty resto staff skills

Cool, but iam stamina nb. The Only good heal is the rank 10 alliance heal. But Hard to get.

afaik, bone shield only works on physical/stamina hits...and its duration is lol

darkrozes_rob16_ESO wrote: »

So let's see...
Killer's Blade : 17% max hp filled on kill
Piercing/Reaping Mark : 37%/57% Max hp filled on kill
Swallow Soul: Healing DOT
Sap Essence : AOE Life Leech
Leeching Strikes : Needs description ?

And lets not talk about some passives like 30% stam regen or like Siphoning atacks that keep your stats up all time compared to other classes.

Btw i though DK AND Templars have no finishers...

How will Killer's Blade and Piercing/Reaper's, or Sap Essence, heal you from burst damage in 1v1 PvP or a boss fight?

How can Swallow Soul Heal you if you're a stamina build, since its damage (which determines the heal strength) is determined by Magicka?

Leaching Strikes heal is practically negligible, which is why people prefer Siphoning Strikes for better sustain.

Refreshing Path can be decent in simple PvE situations, but forget about it in PvP.

Bottom line is NBs relied on potions for their instant self-heals. Now that is taken away through removing potion effectiveness and lengthening potion cooldown, things will be a bit tougher.

darkrozes_rob16_ESO wrote: »

So let's see...
Killer's Blade : 17% max hp filled on kill
Piercing/Reaping Mark : 37%/57% Max hp filled on kill
Swallow Soul: Healing DOT
Sap Essence : AOE Life Leech
Leeching Strikes : Needs description ?

And lets not talk about some passives like 30% stam regen or like Siphoning atacks that keep your stats up all time compared to other classes.

Btw i though DK AND Templars have no finishers...

Lol.

1. You can't take both morphs of Siphoning to prove your point. It's one or the other.
2. Killer's Blade & Mark is useless DURING a fight as far as healing is concerned.
3. Swallow Soul HOT is something that can't adequately heal burst damage.
4. Sap Essence is decent if there are enough mobs/players in range.
5. DKs and Templars have no execution but plenty of finishers. I know b/c I die all the time to them.

Why is NB the only class with +30% to stamina regeneration? Because classes are different mate.

ThatNeonZebraAgain
phtony06b14_ESO

Did you guys hear of healing staff ? Did you ever duel in pvp? Usually ppl go main / 2ndary(healing) or the other way. I'm a sorc, Critical Charge is good for healing from crits but i only used it in PVE.
There's a reason why DK/Temp have self healz, cuz they're close range combat. Sorcs and NB's are made to Hit/kill/and run, something that dk/temp can't do. Give it a try to healing staff, oh wait, vigor is coming to heal all you noob Stam NB's so u can forget about the staff.

I've also seen many NB's, Aoe or single duelers, that kill you way waaaaaaaay long time before they ever need a heal.

darkrozes_rob16_ESO wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain
phtony06b14_ESO

Did you guys hear of healing staff ? Did you ever duel in pvp? Usually ppl go main / 2ndary(healing) or the other way. I'm a sorc, Critical Charge is good for healing from crits but i only used it in PVE.
There's a reason why DK/Temp have self healz, cuz they're close range combat. Sorcs and NB's are made to Hit/kill/and run, something that dk/temp can't do. Give it a try to healing staff, oh wait, vigor is coming to heal all you noob Stam NB's so u can forget about the staff.

I've also seen many NB's, Aoe or single duelers, that kill you way waaaaaaaay long time before they ever need a heal.

Thanks for the helpful sarcasm. In PvP i used to use Bow and 1h/shield, wearing 5 medium and 2 heavy armor pieces. I only Resto in PvE. Vigor isn't really a viable option since it is pretty difficult to get.

And as a stamina-nb u can forget about healingstaff.

A stamina NB walks into a bunch of Craglorn mobs... The jokes writes itself after that.

Basically the only class+build combo that struggles soloing a few v11/13 Craglorn mobs. Only has very weak HoT class abilities and heal-on-kill ones. Later are not really useful because for single enemies/bosses it's irrelevant and for multiple enemies you need to kill them at different times to make it worthwile (no AoE). And it's unreliable cause it does not necessary heal when you need the most. Magicka based heals are weak and not sustainable, stamina based one Vigor is just a distant dream for all but a few HC PvPers.

• Killers Blade - low heal, works only on kill only
• Mark Target - gets much better in 1.6 but works on kill only
• Refreshing Path - gets better in 1.6 but still cannot save you from 2 mudcrabs
• Funnel Health & co - weak HoT for stamina
• Leeching Strikes - 2% health per light/heavy attack? just lol
• Sap Essence - expensive and low heal on stamina build (nice if in group but cannot save you in a group of Cragmobs)
• Bone Shield - 30% HP is mediocre, not cheap and only protects from physical attacks
• Resto staff is not an option on stamina build

The exception is 2H sword (Rally + Brawler), which is quite good if you like to be forced to that type of weapon. With that pretty much anything outside delves can be soloed in Craglorn.

Stamina regen is an issue still in 1.6. Maxed stami regen builds are interesting for some situations, but running around in 14-15k hp with low DPS all the time can be tiring. Without that stamina can dry out quickly so no blocking, dodge or break-outs for you (giving worse damage mitigation to MA than LA).

Same reason Sorcerer's have no damage.
Templars are the best healers.
Dragonknights are the best of the best.

#ZOSLogic

prototypefb wrote: »

problem is(was) that using sap essence/strife on damage shields will give you 0 hot, which is wrong, since only other heal options are to kill a target.
as for executes for DK, really? Dks are most powerfull all round class, shame on you xD many of DK skills are better than damn executes, and way better than most comparative skills for other classes.
how about make dragon blood able to heal only when you have less than 20% hp left? that's about what NBs have atm...

[snip] with your DK nerfs... My wings have already been nerfed! TWICE! No more flappy flaps indefinitely and no more I Believe I Can Fly montages...

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we have a skilline names shiponing... that should realy cover the self healing =D

olemanwinter wrote: »

Not everyone wants to

Panda244 wrote: »

[snip] with your DK nerfs... My wings have already been nerfed! TWICE! No more flappy flaps indefinitely and no more I Believe I Can Fly montages...

It could be worse. You could be a NB. The only things that haven't been nerfed where those things that have been broken...since launch.

My main is a NB, but I Sap Tank or use a ranged Magicka DPS build, so Cloak is a waste of my skill points, one bar for Sap Tanking, one bar for ranged DPS, if I need to get away from a fight, I don't, I just switch to Sap Tank bar and hold the right mouse button then tape auto-run down and walk away from the computer until more AD come to help me

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Ikarus wrote: »

While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

Have you ever even played a NB or at least looked at their skill lines? There is no way you could have and asked that question. Swallow soul, refreshing path, sap essence are heals we have in the siphoning line. Then there is killers blade, reapers mark in assassination line while shadow has refreshing path.