Has this been addressed yet? I didn't even know bleeds could have immunities until today when I fought some spirits that were immune. Now I've read that you can't use them on damage shields. What is the point of making axes bleed critical and twin blade heal if it is a toss up for them to function? It looks like I will have to skip twin blades completely and only use flurry.

Agree, it's a significant disadvantage on all physical weapons. Most attacks doesn't even have a proc and the most common melee proc 'bleed' does not affect half of the opponents. This is not an immersion or reality thing as it mentioned fire burns everything even creatures on flames.

The result is loss of DPS versus elemental based damage. Also skills like Blood Craze, the only tiny HoT ability with DW is useless because it's DPS and heal both tied to enemy blood. It's not a new thing, been like this since forever.

I'm glad you brought up immersion breaking. I would understand if this game built around some type of D &D ruleset where this was the case, but when 1 play style is singled out and everyone else gets a pass it's not right. I either expect to be required to use blunt weapons to kill skeletons and fire magic to not work on anything that relates to fire or for every damage type gets a fair shake. This bleed thing is like when Skyrim implemented so much ice resist on the Mobs you had to fight (50-90%) there was no point in even implementing ice magic into the game.

Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow. There's plenty of spirits and undead among other things that don't bleed that I notice leveling in Daggerfall. It was pretty bad when I was testing stuff in crag as well. Dual wield doesn't get damage shields like one hand + shield or 2handed. It certainly doesn't get the hard CC they both have. Blade cloak feels like mostly a pvp skill for basically perma sprint using the speed up morph. Dual wield damage doesn't deserve to tank vs a large variety of monsters early game with no flurry. People who want to use bleed shouldn't be forced into flurry. Lastly it shouldn't be denied survivability benefits late game that other melee weapon lines enjoy.

its connected to the type of mob. undead e.g. are immun to bleeds. wich is rather logic as a ghost or skelleton cant bleed at all and even if they could it would not hamper them.
if you are effected by that skip thoose mobs. there are enough none immune mobs out there.

Tankqull wrote: »

its connected to the type of mob. undead e.g. are immun to bleeds. wich is rather logic as a ghost or skelleton cant bleed at all and even if they could it would not hamper them.
if you are effected by that skip thoose mobs. there are enough none immune mobs out there.

The point is bleed is singled out as the only dot to have all these immunities. MMO's bend logic all the time for the sake of fun game play. If this game was trying to use a consistent D & D rule set it would be ok but every thing else got a pass and bleed didn't. Dual wields first ability is heavily reliant on the bleed damage it does. You may as well be doing the first half of the Glenumbra and storm haven quests with auto attacks if you rely on twin slashes for any type of damage until you get flurry.

This also eliminates the healing you would receive if you use blood craze. Some quests lines are completely bleeding immune dominant. The 2nd fighter quests for instance is nothing but constructs. The angof the grave singer line is filled with undead etc. No one else has to drop their play style because there are immunities everywhere. It's simply no fun having a main damage attack that you have to take off your bar every other fight and not being able to use axes because it's weapon modifier is bleed.

Then there is the whole damage shielding that stops bleed making it a direct counter to direct damage and dots while always being useful. Unmitigated bleed damage is easy to counter as is with it being able to be purged and having a large window to heal over it. If the sustained healing and damage play style for duel wield is supposed to be a thing bleeds need to stop being so handicapped.

Tankqull wrote: »

its connected to the type of mob. undead e.g. are immun to bleeds. wich is rather logic as a ghost or skelleton cant bleed at all and even if they could it would not hamper them.
if you are effected by that skip thoose mobs. there are enough none immune mobs out there.

alright.

then fire atronachs should not be affected by fire.

players in light armor should be insta killed by everything

there would be no damage shields

2H weapons should have a block breaking ability or just ignore blocks altogether.

If you want to use realism as an excuse, then fine; just be sure to fix all the other unrealistic parts of the game with it.

I feel that would make the game to complicated just for the sake of realism. Dungeons and Dragons online has this kind of setup where you can play an elemental sorcerer and be literally useless for certain story arcs and entire raid quest lines. Imagine if this kind of thinking continued and someone released an update where your class had to sit out because you like to play as a fire mage. It happens in DDO.

That type of design is accepted mainly because it is the D &D rule set and your expected to carry different weapons and build into things you don't want to for the sake of being able to complete content. I don't see ESO systems supporting anything near as restrictive as something like that. Except when it comes to bleeds for who knows what reason.

The overall DOT system can wait I just want to not have to worry about immunities and have my bleeds effect shields just like every other play style gets to enjoy. Immunities and damage shield exceptions are getting in the way of this.