[Request] Please don't offer a mandatory skill respec when 1.6 hits, but instead ...
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Absolutely not. This is the largest game mechanic-changing patch to date and we should get a free respec. However, I wouldn't mind if it wasn't mandatory - a respec token in the mail would work just as well.2 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭I absolutely agree with OP. It's stupid to force everyone to respec.
Why not have a week where respeccing costs 1g per point?
It's been done before.1 -
Heruthema✭✭✭✭Why are people even proposing paying to respec. This is a MAJOR game change and the respec should NOT COST anything. I do agree that my characters should not be forced to respec as soon as I log in, but the first respec for each regardless of when should be FREE.Edited by Heruthema on February 25, 2015 4:43PM2 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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That's what bothers me. I completely understand why people don't want a mandatory respec, but why do you wish to pay for it? It makes no sense. Even less so when you consider that the lower cost of respec would be only temporary - the OP suggests a week - and not everyone will log in during that week. Everybody who takes a break from the game in that specific time window would have to pay the full price for respec after returning.Why are people even proposing paying to respec.
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerOnce Update 6 goes live, we will automatically reset all skills and attributes due to all the gameplay adjustments being made. Taking a quick screenshot of your current build is definitely encouraged since this reset will occur upon login.9 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once Update 6 goes live, we will automatically reset all skills and attributes due to all the gameplay adjustments being made. Taking a quick screenshot of your current build is definitely encouraged since this reset will occur upon login.
May I suggest posting this advice someplace a little more visible, for those who haven't been frequenting this thread?3 -
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✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »The problem with resetting our points automatically is that a lot of us will have little to no idea how we wish to reallocate them right off the bat.
So don't allocate them right off the bat. Last time we had a respec, I had at least a few characters with 10-12 unallocated points for quite a while and was just exploring and playing and considering. Worked out fine.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree with the OP. Just give a choice at a full free respect. Make it where you have to do it within the week or something before the price goes back to whatever it will be moving forward.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Some of us are counting on this skill point reset...
Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.5 -
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This is a bit unrealistic in my opinion, which is why I advocated for a skill respec on demand instead of a mandatory one.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once Update 6 goes live, we will automatically reset all skills and attributes due to all the gameplay adjustments being made. Taking a quick screenshot of your current build is definitely encouraged since this reset will occur upon login.
If you take all skill lines into account, there are:
- 3 class skill lines
- 6 weapon skill lines (2H, 1H&S, DW, Bow, Destro, Resto)
- 3 armor skill lines (light, medium, heavy)
- 2 world skill lines (soul magic and ww/vamp)
- 3 guild skill lines (fighters, mages, undaunted)
- 2 alliance war skill lines (assault, support)
- 1 racial skill lines
- 6 crafting skill lines (alch, BS, cloth, enchant, provis, wood)
26 skill lines mean 26 screenshots. Repeating the same process for 8 characters requires a total of 208 screenshots.
Each of them would look like this.
Please note that it's not even possible to get the passives and the active abilities at the same time.
Edited by Gyudan on February 25, 2015 7:45PMWololo.6 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭This is a bit unrealistic in my opinion, which is why I advocated for a skill respec on demand instead of a mandatory one.
If you take all skill lines into account, there are:
- 3 class skill lines
- 6 weapon skill lines (2H, 1H&S, DW, Bow, Destro, Resto)
- 3 armor skill lines (light, medium, heavy)
- 2 world skill lines (soul magic and ww/vamp)
- 3 guild skill lines (fighters, mages, undaunted)
- 2 alliance war skill lines (assault, support)
- 1 racial skill lines
- 6 crafting skill lines (alch, BS, cloth, enchant, provis, wood)
26 skill lines mean 26 screenshots. Repeating the same process for 8 characters requires a total of 208 screenshots.
Each of them would look like this.
Please note that it's not even possible to get the passives and the active abilities at the same time.
But Gyudan, you would lose 54 Gold for that character if you had to pay 1g per skill to respec!!!!
Surely you would never be able to recover from such a loss.Edited by Rook_Master on February 25, 2015 7:47PM1 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once Update 6 goes live, we will automatically reset all skills and attributes due to all the gameplay adjustments being made. Taking a quick screenshot of your current build is definitely encouraged since this reset will occur upon login.
Instead of giving EVERYONE a free skill reset, why not add that option to the Shrine for the first week after 1.6 goes live. Then people can choose to do an entire one or not. Programming for it should be minimal and easily removed at a later date.NA Server - Kildair1 -
Metrobius✭✭✭No way. I want to log in to my Templar in a hostile area, surrounded by mobs with all my sp reset.7 -
Natjur✭✭✭✭✭
✭I guess that add-on which exports your build (all skills picked and the morphs) to a text file is finally going to be more useful, almost needed0 -
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Instead of giving EVERYONE a free skill reset, why not add that option to the Shrine for the first week after 1.6 goes live. Then people can choose to do an entire one or not. Programming for it should be minimal and easily removed at a later date.
Not every player is at a level to know what the shrine is, where to find it, or how to reach it. There are better solutions to a change in all the skills than a forced respec on first login, but using the shrine isn't one of them. A respec token that allows the players to decide when to use the free respec is a far better one in my view, and the grant of two non-transferable tokens per character via the mail would allow players to remedy any initial mistake arising from an incomplete understanding of the changes - and thereby remove the burden of a massive number of support tickets arising therefrom.
Your suggestion is also of no use to someone who returns to the game more than a week after the update launches - including all those who return in about a month's time when the game goes B2P. If they're greeted by the need to do an expensive respec at the shrine the chances are they won't hang around. Equally, however, a forced respec on first login to a new system they know very little about won't impress them either. They need a respec system that buys them time but is free to implement whenever they return.Edited by Tandor on February 25, 2015 8:49PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »
So don't allocate them right off the bat. Last time we had a respec, I had at least a few characters with 10-12 unallocated points for quite a while and was just exploring and playing and considering. Worked out fine.
My nightblade has 15 unspent right now...0 -
Ballzy321✭✭✭Lol have time to lvl 8 toons I think u will have time to respec. It is a shame that they would give you such a minor inconvenience to deal with tho. I feel for ya2
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Theegoliath✭✭✭I under stand everyones argument, but after two character transfers to the pts, it only takes me about three minutes to respect a toon. This went for our entire guild. We are counting on the free FULL respec as well. Save some money lol.0
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Not every player is at a level to know what the shrine is, where to find it, or how to reach it. There are better solutions to a change in all the skills than a forced respec on first login, but using the shrine isn't one of them. A respec token that allows the players to decide when to use the free respec is a far better one in my view, and the grant of two non-transferable tokens per character via the mail would allow players to remedy any initial mistake arising from an incomplete understanding of the changes - and thereby remove the burden of a massive number of support tickets arising therefrom.
Your suggestion is also of no use to someone who returns to the game more than a week after the update launches - including all those who return in about a month's time when the game goes B2P. If they're greeted by the need to do an expensive respec at the shrine the chances are they won't hang around. Equally, however, a forced respec on first login to a new system they know very little about won't impress them either. They need a respec system that buys them time but is free to implement whenever they return.
I'm for ANYTHING that doesn't require resetting all skill points. What ever's the easiest to program works unless that's a full reset!NA Server - Kildair0 -
Darlantan✭✭✭Some of you are so funny...
I have 8 toons and it took me less than 20 min to take some screenshot of my current setup for each of them. I even had the time to put each toon screenshot in a separate folder with each file named according to what it's representing (ex : Weapon_DW = Dual wield
The token system do not always work (Played NW, some people never got it, some lost it or did nothing, etc). It's a lot more complex and harder to implement.
The price dropping... Like some people already say, not every one know or have access to the shrine. It take also a lot more time when you have 8 toons since each toon must travel to a shrine. It's also harder an a bit more complicated to implement. Since the price reduction is a limited time thing, they must think about people who do not play a lot and can't play during that period. I mean by that if a player does not play during the period the price is reduced, how will to respect his skills? That mean another complex crap...
Sorry, but the best way for all, the easiest is reset everything the first time a player log in after a patch.We are One
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For one of the previous updates (I don't remember which one, sorry for not being precise.) they already had this temporary reduced cost active. The system put in place at that time would simply have to be reused for update 6 and wouldn't require much effort as far as I can tell.
If you multiply the time spent respeccing skills by the thousands of players affected, I think it matters quite a bit. As @Tandor said, think of the players coming back to the game after a few months off. Having to create a build back from nothing is a terrible first impression.
i stand corrected then. i had no intent to respec til end game. now that i am end game, they are giving a free respec so i never had to care lolI will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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✭So just to clarify, all of your toons get this free respect once the update hits.
And is this the formal revised update on 17th March or the one likely to hit next week?CP561 Redguard | Jabsy Templar | Stamina Build
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When 1.6 goes lives (at least that's how it worked on the PTS), all characters got their skillpoint selection reset. While this is definitely a good idea to allow players to adapt their build to the upcoming changes, it also forces everyone to put skillpoints back again one by one for every single character.
Please don't offer an automatic skill respec when 1.6 hits, but instead allow players to respec at the shrine as usual for a very low amount of gold (100g-1000g total) during the first week, either all skills or just the morphs. The cost can be raised again during server maintenance on the next monday/tuesday.
I have 8 characters, with well over a thousand skillpoints among them and I'm not looking forward to putting all the points back at all. I don't want to remove any of my passive skills. My crafters will still be crafters and I don't want to select all the abilities again.
I may want to switch to another morph on occasion given all the changes coming in update 6, but I don't want to look at each ability one by one wondering if it was on my character before the update, not hundreds of times.
Please consider this.
What may happen next week otherwise:
nothanks give free respec. there is WAY to many differences. its a new game.
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✭✭✭✭Yeah I wouldn't mind a grace period after big updates where we can respec for a week or so for super cheap 100g. This would especially be nice for the CP system. I was able to test out the returned value of each buff in the constellation on PTS so I know which ones to avoid but those who haven't are going to need to do a lot of testing to find out which buffs are the most valuable for them.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭I shouldn't have to pay for a skill respec just because the trashed the skills I use, optional respec yes but paid respec no.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Takhistis✭✭✭All those people saying they will screenshot... Isn't that useless if so much skills get a major overhaul that your build isn't viable anymore?NA-DC-NB VR1 Ilythrian
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭As this is a freaking huge set of changes, it will take time to create viable builds. Thus having a week or so of free attribute and skill resets would be a nice touch... and free champion points resets if those are going to cost as well.1
