[Request] Please don't offer a mandatory skill respec when 1.6 hits, but instead ...

Gyudan

When 1.6 goes lives (at least that's how it worked on the PTS), all characters got their skillpoint selection reset. While this is definitely a good idea to allow players to adapt their build to the upcoming changes, it also forces everyone to put skillpoints back again one by one for every single character.

Please don't offer an automatic skill respec when 1.6 hits, but instead allow players to respec at the shrine as usual for a very low amount of gold (100g-1000g total) during the first week, either all skills or just the morphs. The cost can be raised again during server maintenance on the next monday/tuesday.

I have 8 characters, with well over a thousand skillpoints among them and I'm not looking forward to putting all the points back at all. I don't want to remove any of my passive skills. My crafters will still be crafters and I don't want to select all the abilities again.

I may want to switch to another morph on occasion given all the changes coming in update 6, but I don't want to look at each ability one by one wondering if it was on my character before the update, not hundreds of times.

Please consider this.

What may happen next week otherwise:

Panda244

They aren't offering a free respec are they? No reason to, any skill they change, they give you the skill points back and it automatically removes the skill points from the skill, allowing you to spec back into it, or give up on it. So you're all good

Mos-De-Atmo

Panda244 wrote: »

They aren't offering a free respec are they?

I think they are refunding all Skill Points and Attribute Points, at least that was the case on the PTS.

C0pp3rhead

I agree with this - make skill respecs very cheap the first week. Alotta people will be playing around with their builds, and throwing down >10k just to realize something won't work is going to get frustrating. The morph respec is cheaper, but doesn't completely solve the problem.

starkerealm

Panda244 wrote: »

They aren't offering a free respec are they? No reason to, any skill they change, they give you the skill points back and it automatically removes the skill points from the skill, allowing you to spec back into it, or give up on it. So you're all good

There've been some pretty major changes. For one thing Mage Light no longer detects hidden enemies, it's specifically one of the morphs (inner light, I think). Blood Rage no longer builds ultimate, but extends the timer for taking damage. I forget what else off hand, those are the two that immediately affect my characters.

So, there's a full respec on PTS, and that will probably go live, because of the skill overhauls.

pmacisback

I understand your point of view, but I have to disagree. I don't want to beat the dead sorc.... er horse*, but I am going to have to completely alter my build after the patch drops. I will probably end up respeccing a few times to dial it in. But I am no advocate of carpel tunnel, either.

starkerealm

pmacisback wrote: »

I understand your point of view, but I have to disagree. I don't want to beat the dead sorc.... er horse*, but I am going to have to completely alter my build after the patch drops. I will probably end up respeccing a few times to dial it in. But I am no advocate of carpel tunnel, either.

Oh man, filling out the 3600 CP on PTS is more destructive... ugh.

newtinmpls

So ... if they offer a free respec in response to having changed skills, just to be nice - you are going to complain about it??

Gyudan

starkerealm wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

They aren't offering a free respec are they? No reason to, any skill they change, they give you the skill points back and it automatically removes the skill points from the skill, allowing you to spec back into it, or give up on it. So you're all good

There've been some pretty major changes. For one thing Mage Light no longer detects hidden enemies, it's specifically one of the morphs (inner light, I think). Blood Rage no longer builds ultimate, but extends the timer for taking damage. I forget what else off hand, those are the two that immediately affect my characters.

So, there's a full respec on PTS, and that will probably go live, because of the skill overhauls.

It doesn't mean that respec should be mandatory though. The respec costs have been lowered for a limited amount of time before and it worked well enough.
If you're using a specific type of armor or weapon, you will still have all the passives skilled in update 6. The same goes for crafting. Being forced to respec them on all characters makes very little sense to me.

starkerealm

Gyudan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

They aren't offering a free respec are they? No reason to, any skill they change, they give you the skill points back and it automatically removes the skill points from the skill, allowing you to spec back into it, or give up on it. So you're all good

There've been some pretty major changes. For one thing Mage Light no longer detects hidden enemies, it's specifically one of the morphs (inner light, I think). Blood Rage no longer builds ultimate, but extends the timer for taking damage. I forget what else off hand, those are the two that immediately affect my characters.

So, there's a full respec on PTS, and that will probably go live, because of the skill overhauls.

It doesn't mean that respec should be mandatory though. The respec costs have been lowered for a limited amount of time before and it worked well enough.
If you're using a specific type of armor or weapon, you will still have all the passives skilled in update 6. The same goes for crafting. Being forced to respec them on all characters makes very little sense to me.

*shrugs* I can live with it either way.

onlinegamer1

starkerealm wrote: »

pmacisback wrote: »

I understand your point of view, but I have to disagree. I don't want to beat the dead sorc.... er horse*, but I am going to have to completely alter my build after the patch drops. I will probably end up respeccing a few times to dial it in. But I am no advocate of carpel tunnel, either.

Oh man, filling out the 3600 CP on PTS is more destructive... ugh.

Takes only a few seconds for me.

You DO know you can shift-click the "+" to go 10 at a time, right?

Gidorick

I HATE having to redistribute all those points... I need to record what is where before the 1.6 updates happen.

+1 Agree

UrQuan

I also support this idea. Give us a period of time in which attribute/skill point respecs are cheap, but do not automatically reset everything. Please. Think of the poor altaholics. I've got 16 characters to support...

Sacadon

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

pmacisback wrote: »

I understand your point of view, but I have to disagree. I don't want to beat the dead sorc.... er horse*, but I am going to have to completely alter my build after the patch drops. I will probably end up respeccing a few times to dial it in. But I am no advocate of carpel tunnel, either.

Oh man, filling out the 3600 CP on PTS is more destructive... ugh.

Takes only a few seconds for me.

You DO know you can shift-click the "+" to go 10 at a time, right?

^^ this

Imryll

Please do offer a free respec. Allowing folks to opt out is fine, but I don't want to feel time pressure to respec all my characters. I'd much rather have a chance to decide what I want to do with each character at my leisure, not feel I need to hustle in order to take advantage of temporary pricing.

UrQuan

Imryll wrote: »

Please do offer a free respec. Allowing folks to opt out is fine, but I don't want to feel time pressure to respec all my characters. I'd much rather have a chance to decide what I want to do with each character at my leisure, not feel I need to hustle in order to take advantage of temporary pricing.

This would be good too. Ideally 1 free respec for your character to be used whenever needed, and perhaps a 2 week period of reduced price respecs to let people play around a bit with the new system if they haven't done so on the PTS. But no forced respec please, please, pretty please...

PlagueMonk

After thinking about this is wholeheartedly agree.

I free respec is no going to be enough since I'm sure EVERYONE'S characters will be going through some changes trying to figure out new builds.

Make recpecs cost 1g per point for 2 weeks. Done.

Also.......WHERE is our single skill respec???!

starkerealm

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

pmacisback wrote: »

I understand your point of view, but I have to disagree. I don't want to beat the dead sorc.... er horse*, but I am going to have to completely alter my build after the patch drops. I will probably end up respeccing a few times to dial it in. But I am no advocate of carpel tunnel, either.

Oh man, filling out the 3600 CP on PTS is more destructive... ugh.

Takes only a few seconds for me.

You DO know you can shift-click the "+" to go 10 at a time, right?

No... I didn't.

ItsMeToo

I like pushing buttons, so make it free.

Danikat

It may be too late to implement this, and it may not be possible, but what if instead of a forced respec or no respec everyone gets mailed a character bound item and if they use it their points are reset? If they don't want to they can just delete it.

That way everyone can choose which characters they want to re-do and which they want to keep the same.

WraithAzraiel

They refund all points after EVERY major update. And 1.6 being the MOST major to date, I can't see them doing anything differently.

Whip out some notepads, boys and girls, it's time to make that list.

Tandor

I don't want the respec to be at a shrine, many players will have low level characters that don't yet have access to shrines.

I also don't want a forced respec the moment you log in. I hate having to do a complete and binding respec before I can do anything else in the first session after an update.

I much prefer a respec token, it appears in your mail and you can choose to implement it at your convenience. It enables you to look at your existing build and decide how best to alter it rather than being forced to log in with a blank build and umpteen skill points.

I'd also like decent notice of the update and respec so people can make a note of their existing builds before they are cleared. A lot of people will be returning to the game because of this update, and there's nothing worse than going back to a game you haven't played for a while and logging in to a full respec with very little recollection of the old build. A respec token lets you get back into the feel of the game before you need to deal with the respec.

There's also a good argument for having a /respec command that is enabled for a short period of time after the update goes Live so that you can play around with different builds rather than being stuck with the one you first thought of, especially for those players who haven't been trying the changes out on the PTS or following the detailed analysis of the changes on the forums.

BlueIllyrian

Frankly, the fact you have 8 characters is your problem and others shouldn't be required to accomodate your playstyle by not getting a free respec/reset.

If it's too much, redo them slowly over time.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

you know devs don't click ruby slippers together to make the game do things what make us happy.... they will have to take the time to add a temporary system to a system that already works fine (which risks breaking a working system), when they can just do a full respec (since they already said they would) which is much easier.

the abilities are changing... normally i would screenshot my spec, but i am expecting enough of a change that i won't need to or it wouldn't be worth the time. kinda like putting in code to temporarily reduce the cost to respec.... not time worthy. they would be much better suited fixing systems that are already broken or launching 1.6 much more bug free than eanything they have released thus far.

MornaBaine

The problem with resetting our points automatically is that a lot of us will have little to no idea how we wish to reallocate them right off the bat. Since they are pretty much changing the ENTIRE darn game with this most of us are going to have to learn to play all over again. Very few of us are going "get it right" the first go around. So frankly I think they need to offer us at least 2 weeks of multiple free respecs. Like at least five per character. And that's not being "greedy" but is taking into account that ZOS has decided to radically change the game which will undo all the work we've done in setting up our characters stats and abilities. They owe us the opportunity to play around with all this "newness" a bit at first in order to figure it out.

Dreamo84

I agree and also agree respec costs should be lowered for a bit. Many of us are going to need to try new builds out before we can commit. Even at lower levels this can get pricey real quick.

TequilaFire

FRAPS screenshots of my skills on all characters is my friend!
Beats writing them down.
I haven't looked but probably is an add on for this.

Gyudan

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

you know devs don't click ruby slippers together to make the game do things what make us happy.... they will have to take the time to add a temporary system to a system that already works fine (which risks breaking a working system), when they can just do a full respec (since they already said they would) which is much easier

For one of the previous updates (I don't remember which one, sorry for not being precise.) they already had this temporary reduced cost active. The system put in place at that time would simply have to be reused for update 6 and wouldn't require much effort as far as I can tell.

Katinas wrote: »

You hit the keyboard 1180 times typing this useless thread. That's more clicks than you have skillpoints. You'll be fine.

If you multiply the time spent respeccing skills by the thousands of players affected, I think it matters quite a bit. As @Tandor said, think of the players coming back to the game after a few months off. Having to create a build back from nothing is a terrible first impression.

zeuseason

Vote: /fullfreerespec

Psychobunni

I'm on team "free" respec. Sorry, while I can understand the frustration having say a crafter reset or some minimal used toon...its mind boggling to me to want to pay to reconfigure mains when multiple skills have been changed.

Heck, I need a respec now on one and am holding out and coping for free.

Takhistis

Why not give a respec voucher while also lowering respec prices for 1 month? The voucher would be Usable forever,